zztop had a bad '85. crappy sleeping bag, same tour as '83.

Now that you have settled the fact that 1985 was the worst year in Stones history....
Other bad things about 1985 (music-wise):
*Wasn't it 85 that the Clash ended?
*It was also the year that Bruce Springsteen went commercial and more boring. (I know it can be discussed, but I think so at least).
*It was not a good year for Dylan. An OK album, a bit worse than his last, (almost) no concerts.
*Bowie was at a low-point
(*...so was Rod Stewart, but he had been for many years)
(*Elvis was dead)
Anything else?

I knew we were in trouble when we had no US tour in 1984. It was the first time they missed the 3 year cycle.

'86-'87--with all the Mick solo nightmares, I thought the band was done
and when I heard Dirty Work I wasn't sure I cared.

They didn't exactly set the world on fire in the year 2000.

Theif in the Night Wrote:
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> They didn't exactly set the world on fire in the
> year 2000.


Yeah, but they were coming off a very productive period '97-'99.
My guess is that they consciously decided to take a well earned rest.

That makes it kind of different from the black hole that was the '80's.

Forgot about Live Aid!! YUCK--between that and Zeppelin approaching like a loose jam, my heros took a beating that day! Thank God for U2 and Queen.

Actually, although I could not get into Mick doing Stones tunes as a solo artist, I think among non-Stones fans his appearance went over well

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1967, 1977, 1987 and 1997 when "Bridges To Babylon" was released ...
No, the latter was just a joke ;-)

Satanic Majesties was kind of a low point in the Stones 60s career but it pales against the 85-87 period which was a bad year for every band I can think of. Unfortunately, this period was the peak of everything that was BAD about the 80s. Even by 89 when they had made up and started doing new stuff there was some of that horrible 80s influence in the sound of the songs.

Bands forgot how to play real instruments and for a while it looked like the end of rock n roll. The only rock we were given was "cock-rock" (hair-metal).

1987 when Jagger told Keith's secretary that he would not be working with The Stones anymore..

Beelyboy, you are a master wordsmith. I am humbled in your presence. I not only agree with what you said, but how you said it.

1977 was one of their best if you look at the drama, Love you live and the Toronto gigs and Keiths best solomaterial ever. And the wrote Miss you. Keith was dramatic back then.

Worst; 1989. Comeback, Steel wheels and the beginning of the Vegastrip.

Now how come no-ones mentioned Altamont? Surely there couldn't be anything worse for a band than to have someone killed at one of their gigs.

turd Wrote:
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> Hot Stuff says, "........brian jones was not
> really a part of the band by 1969....the end came
> for him back in 1967!.."
>
>
> This is the popular myth, that from 1967 Brian was
> totaly stoned, out of his head and unable to
> function - however I don't agree. Yes, Brian was
> junked up some of the time, but not all the time.
> The solo on 'No Expectations' proves this. He
> appeared with the band during the pollwinners show
> in 1968, he was on the JJF video in 1968 and also
> Rock and Roll Circus performance. There are pics
> of him and Mick (recently posted here) during the
> 68/69 period, clearly having a laugh and him
> looking ok. He made it out to Morrocco during 69
> to record the pipe music and was apparantly
> looking forward to participating in the Let it
> Bleed sessions. Who's to say he could not have
> recovered from his problems. Don't forget - Mick
> and Keith gave up on Brian - he didn't leave the
> band voluntarily.
>
> I think we should maybe be a bit more open minded
> about Brians final years with the Stones.

Open minded? Of course, no one of us was actually there, so it is basically a case of what one wants to believe. But one good solo on No Expectations from Beggar's Banquet, an album where's he's otherwise already more or less absent, does not make a summer for me.

He appeared with the band during the Pollwinner's Show in 1968 - yes, but has anybody seen a video or at least listened to an audio tape of this performance?

The videos that are circulating, namely Rock and Roll Circus, and even more the notorious One Plus One, reveal anything else than performances of a fully-functioning member of the band.

jagger himself said that brain had to go because he could never undertake a long us tour... sadly it is a fact that the police were all over brian in 1967...as well as they were going after keith and mick...the problem was that brian was not as strong..plus mick and keith didnot let brian have any roll in writting..and was not treated as a real partner in the band..he in a sense was all alone..
even in 1968 brian was arrested again for drugs...and brian had even a lesser role in the band....again, just look at b.b and lib....on jjf brian plays a little acoustic guitar along with keith and that is 1968. thats not a very big roll when you see that the acoustic guitar is way down in the mix. on htw, recorded in march 1969 brian doesn't play at all...on the movie r.r. circus brian has almost no roll, just standing on the stage.. sftd brian has no roll again..then june of 69 they part company..brian had to agree because he could have stopped the planned us tour...also it was well known that brian even if he wanted to stay would have had a very hard time even getting a visa to enter the usa...

i do think that if mick and keith wanted to help brian they could have...they even took in mick taylor to get lib done...
if brian lived i think he would have put together a killer band...but for me 1967 almost ended the band...it looked like we would see 3 of its leaders all in jail... and then 1968 brain was even in worse shape getting arrested again!

so retired dog...no i don't see brian as a key and active member of the band near the end of 1967, 68 or 69....it was keith and mick's band then...
just ask andrew oldham!

1984, Stones sleep

hot stuff Wrote:
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> jagger himself said that brain had to go because
> he could never undertake a long us tour... sadly
> it is a fact that the police were all over brian
> in 1967...as well as they were going after keith
> and mick...the problem was that brian was not as
> strong..plus mick and keith didnot let brian have
> any roll in writting..and was not treated as a
> real partner in the band..he in a sense was all
> alone..
> even in 1968 brian was arrested again for
> drugs...and brian had even a lesser role in the
> band....again, just look at b.b and lib....on jjf
> brian plays a little acoustic guitar along with
> keith and that is 1968. thats not a very big roll
> when you see that the acoustic guitar is way down
> in the mix. on htw, recorded in march 1969 brian
> doesn't play at all...on the movie r.r. circus
> brian has almost no roll, just standing on the
> stage.. sftd brian has no roll again..then june of
> 69 they part company..brian had to agree because
> he could have stopped the planned us tour...also
> it was well known that brian even if he wanted to
> stay would have had a very hard time even getting
> a visa to enter the usa...
>
> i do think that if mick and keith wanted to help
> brian they could have...they even took in mick
> taylor to get lib done...
> if brian lived i think he would have put together
> a killer band...but for me 1967 almost ended the
> band...it looked like we would see 3 of its
> leaders all in jail... and then 1968 brain was
> even in worse shape getting arrested again!
>
> so retired dog...no i don't see brian as a key and
> active member of the band near the end of 1967, 68
> or 69....it was keith and mick's band then...
> just ask andrew oldham!

That's exactly my opinion!