Can Dubbya play lead?

Pussy Whips Wrote:
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> Can Dubbya play lead?


No, but Cheney can. A mean lead, too.

Taylor is no legend. Most people do not know who he is. Now Keith, that's a legend.

BornOnTheBayou Wrote:
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> Have you seen Dumya lately ?? Every picture seems
> to have him wandering around the tarmac holding
> this black terrier...
>
> It's so pitiful, the U.S. presidunce has finally
> found something he's good for, pet-sitting.
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I know this is getting off the track a bit. But it poses a piss taker of of a question.
Why is George doing the Paris/Britney,with the dog,carrying thing?
Answers please.
1.He's getting tips off "A Simple Lfe."
2.He can't get "Hit Me Baby One More Time" out of his head.
Other suggestions?

Im sitting here listening to Some Girls (as usual) and frankly i'm more interested in the enigma of Ron Wood.

Taylor was (emphasis on was) a great guitar player but Eddie Hazel,Jerry Garcia,Tom Verlaine, John Cippolina and about 50 others were just as good, legend is a bit extreme

Because basically, with the exception of half a year touring with Bob Dylan, Taylor was a recluse heroin addict from 1975 until the early 1990's. By then, he was an overweight, socially shy person stuck in early 70's blues/jazz fusion roots, playing the same 10 songs over and over before an audience of 50 people who only come to see him as he once was a Stones. Financially he is independant, and he just doesn't have the drive anymore to achieve anything.

Basically, it is the same story as almost 99% of all musicians from the early 70's -they're either dead or forgotten by now. At least Mick Taylor is remembered as being partly responsible for a band that was the best R&R band in the world for 5 years. Not many people can claim that.

Mathijs

To draw 1.2 million fans and gross $162 million on the current tour seems to indicate the "best R&R band" title survived Mr. Taylor's departure just fine.

Song for song, when you match live versions from 71-73 with those from 89-06, the more recent versions have not lost anything, except a little of the undesirable speed at which the Stones played in the seventies.

A passionate group of people on this board agree that "the Brussels 1973 show is the best Stones performance ever". Well it ain't so folks. It ain't even close.
Here are some more recent versions which blow some of the versions from this show away:

Gimme Shelter from Paradiso '95 [on the CD single]
Happy from Atlantic City 1989
You Can't Always Get What You Want from Flashpoint and also from St. Louis 1997
Midnight Rambler from German Girls and a dozen other more recent versions
Honkey Tonk Women from St. Louis 1997
All Down the Line from the 1995 CD single
Jumping Jack Flash from every concert 1989-2006
Street Fighting Man from every concert 1995-2003

Mick Taylor is a great blues guitar player i have been lucky to see with The Stones live in 1973, then many times solo. He is a true gentleman, shy, always kind when you talk person to person. But live, he never make eye contact, he is playing for himself, I don't see him as a rock star. But sure he contrubuted to the Stones at a time when they did some great production.

Bjornulf

BOBM Wrote:
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> >
> A passionate group of people on this board agree
> that "the Brussels 1973 show is the best Stones
> performance ever". Well it ain't so folks. It
> ain't even close.
>


I don't happen to regard Brussels as their best show (I'd pick from any one of a number of 72 shows first). However, Bob, you almost (more than that even) state this as some kind of matter of fact, whereas, it's only one (yours) opinion. Keep it humble, dude....

When I met Mick a couple of weeks ago, he seemed to be very happy. I think he likes where he´s at right now. He was in such a good mood, I handed him some boots from last year, and he went to get beer for me, backstage. The whole swedish tour seems to be one long happy journey. Check out the pics at stonesvikings.

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

A happy legend.
Wentus Blues band, which he plays with now are some flying phantom Finns.
Still I´d wish some better song material to the guy.

Mick Taylor's life has taught me a few things:

1- Never look a gift horse in the mouth.
2- Whilst making a monumental decision, avoid drug use. It could cost you a bundle in the future.
3- Practice your blues scales.
4- Even a guy with three chins can see his fret board, but do watch your weight as you get older.

" I may be too old to cut the mustard, but I can still lick the jar"

StonesTod Wrote:
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> Pussy Whips Wrote:
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> > Can Dubbya play lead?
>
>
> No, but Cheney can. A mean lead, too.

Yes, but there's a whole group of Neo-Con "backing musicians" who are just "killers" they're so good at what they do: Feith, Wolfowitz, Irving Scooter Libby, Abrams, Wurmser AND all their pals in the Neo-Con controlled media... they actually are the one's humming the bars while Cheney & Bush "sing along"


"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

bv Wrote:
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> Mick Taylor is a great blues guitar player i have
> been lucky to see with The Stones live in 1973,
> then many times solo. He is a true gentleman, shy,
> always kind when you talk person to person. But
> live, he never make eye contact, he is playing for
> himself, I don't see him as a rock star. But sure
> he contrubuted to the Stones at a time when they
> did some great production.
>
> Bjornulf

I can't agree that having much stage presence means much as to whether someone is successful or not... you just gotta have the music...

Clapton doesn't have much starpower either, but he let's his guitar do the talking... Taylor could do the same if he had a great band assembled...

A healthy Johnny Winter would have toured the pants off of Taylor and played alot of steady gigs. Even as bad as JW's health is he's still been about as "prominent" as Taylor... And Johnny doesn't have one bit of star power.


"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

As much as I love MT he basically destroyed himself with heroin, becoming a recluse for most of the late 70's up until the early 80's. He toured with Mayall on the reunion tour in 82-83, hooked up with Dylan in 84 but since he was such a mess Dylan went in another direction. While he did tour in the mid 80's onward it has been a hit or miss with MT. Some nights he was great but I did see him a few times in the Philadelphia area and he was wasted and I was very disappointed.
I still feel that as much as he denies it he totally regrets leaving the Stones and not just financially. Speaking of his finances I always seem to read that he is broke so the financial independence is news to me. Another key point...why does RW have to bash MT while MT is always kind in return......

StonesinBucks Wrote:
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> why does RW have to bash MT while MT is
> always kind in return......


not sure I've heard much Woody bashing of MT, but if true, well the terms "inferiority complex" come to mind.

That isn't Woody's style to bash someone else. He is too much of a gentleman.

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> A happy legend.
> Wentus Blues band, which he plays with now are
> some flying phantom Finns.
> Still I´d wish some better song material to the
> guy.´

It was your first Taylor experience, I wonder what you`ll have to say after your first Stones experience....I hope there is no complaining `bout the setlist....




Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-01-01 02:36 by mickijaggeroo.

I gotta agree with BOBM, I think that ripping thru songs onstage during the Taylor era took away from many songs. A lot of the accents and punctuality on the guitar parts was lost. I have a super fast version of "Rambler" and the entire feel of the song was lost. That is one example.

You must admit, in terms of sound you have been able to hear the band better and better with every tour, starting in 89, also they solved the B-stage sound problem for the BANG tour......its the floating stage. They could never hear what they were playing in the B-stage before the BANG tour.

No intent to slag Taylor.

Milo, NYC
Waitin' for a factory girl

Very much like Brian Jones. He was well taken care of during his years w/the Stones but unable to resist the liggers and leeches and drugs and druggers and druggies and bad managers after he left.

Now he's still a brilliant player, but looking like crap and couching his demeanour w/a poor me, poor me, pour me another drink patina that just doesn't work. He could've cleaned up whilst w/the Stones, he didn't need to quit. I think he'd just had enough of Mick and Keith being the bosses and he booked. He didn't realize that he was expendable. I think he was intimidated by both Mick and Keith and that insecurity ate away at him until he became sick inside w/drugs and paranoia and plenty of sycophants telling him he was better than the Stones and he could make chart topping records, if only he quit the band. He believed that bullshyte because he wasn't strong enough to see the lucky lucky position he was in.

The Stones would've continued to make great music w/Mick Taylor. So, thirty years later he's really just a has been great guitarist. Saddest story in the wairld...

"The wonder of Jimi Hendrix was that he could stand up at all he was so pumped full of drugs." Patsy, Patsy Stone

Next...watching Eddie Van Halen slip into obscurity. Maybe he is next for a radio show.

Milo Yammbag Wrote:
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> I gotta agree with BOBM, I think that ripping thru
> songs onstage during the Taylor era took away from
> many songs. A lot of the accents and punctuality
> on the guitar parts was lost.

This is very interesting...

Keith's contribution during the MT era was just plainly LESS than it is today. Keith never put in the intricacies on any show with Taylor like he did on the 40 Licks Tour, for example...

Which is better... fast taylor with KR layin' riffs on top, or a full KR/RW weave... both are great.



"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

>> That isn't Woody's style to bash someone else. <<

truly. StonesinBucks, what are you referring to? let's have the specific interviews/articles/quotes, please.

Someone has surely already wrote this : when he becams a Stone he was 20. Too much pressure was put on him. He went thru crazy and most creative years of the band. Who could have resisted this ?

to Born on the Bayou:

"the Neo-Con controlled media" [???]

I think 95% of the media are more in the "leftist elite" category based on what I read and hear.

BOBM Wrote:
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> to Born on the Bayou:
>
> "the Neo-Con controlled media" [???]
>
> I think 95% of the media are more in the "leftist
> elite" category based on what I read and hear.
>


Well you make a very interesting point...

The media DOES have a very strong leftist bent, EXCEPT when it comes to matters of the Middle East... on matters of the middle east you have the leftist side of the media giving way to the hard right-wing of the Neo-Cons...

Great example: Neo-Con Judith Miller releasing all those B.S. "scary Saddam" stories on the front page of the New York Times day after day, week after week, to help the Neo-Cons "lure" un unsuspecting American people into a disastrous invasion of Iraq... Then you have such "editorialists" as Safire, Steyn, Krauthammer, and Kristol with there relentless "attack, attack, attack..." mantra on the editorial pages of every major American newspaper.

And you see the same thing in Congress... "leftists" like Joe Lieberman suddenly "supporting" American military invasions in the Middle East...

It's like the American PEOPLE can't win one way or the other... the leftists run our insane welfare agenda while the Neo-Cons run our disastrous $6 billion dollars a month invasion of every Muslim country.

If you're wondering how these two "sides" can co-exist, just google "Neo-Con" and "Securing the Realm" to find their true motivations.


"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

StonesinBucks, what are you referring to? let's have the specific interviews/articles/quotes, please

I am referring to Ronnie saying publicly that MT was broke and depressed after MT passed the Stones a note in addition to his comments on the Howard Stern show a few years ago. RW should be more confident.

Just felt that RW should have kept this to himself.


MT did say that he thought the Stones never let RW really play and that they did sound very relaxed and confident in their playing.

Believe me, I prefer MT but I dislike the intense RW bashing. Remember, MT considers RW a very good friend.

Here I compose a minor masterpiece and nobody even notices it; dang...

"The wonder of Jimi Hendrix was that he could stand up at all he was so pumped full of drugs." Patsy, Patsy Stone

Midnight Toker Wrote:
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> Mick Taylor's life has taught me a few things:
> 4- Even a guy with three chins can see his fret
> board, but do watch your weight as you get older.
Recent studies show overweight (but not obese) people live longer than all other weight classes

StonesinBucks Wrote:
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> hooked up with Dylan in 84 but since he was such a
> mess Dylan went in another direction.
Dylan would have gone in another direction regardless of whom he was playing with. But, if you listen to the Band Aid conversation boot, you hear that Dylan claims to have tried to track Taylor down, only to find Taylor blew him off.

> Another key point...why does RW have to bash MT while MT is always kind in
> return......
One has character, one is a character

The Menace of Mayfair Wrote:
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> Now he's still a brilliant player, but looking
> like crap and couching his demeanour w/a poor me,
> poor me, pour me another drink patina that just
> doesn't work.
It worked for Dean Martin and Johnny Thunders . . .

StonesinBucks Wrote:
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> StonesinBucks, what are you referring to? let's
> have the specific interviews/articles/quotes,
> please
> I am referring to Ronnie saying publicly that MT
> was broke and depressed after MT passed the Stones
> a note in addition to his comments on the Howard
> Stern show a few years ago. RW should be more
> confident.
> Just felt that RW should have kept this to
> himself.
Wood has remarked about subbing for a fearful Taylor back in the mid-60s, about Taylor not knowing how to play in stadiums (when discussing the KC 1981 show), etc. I understand there's more in According to the Rolling Stones.
>
> Remember, MT considers RW a very good
> friend.
With friends like that . . .

MT and RW friends? Sounds good to me.

RW- "Mick, let's do lunch"
MT-"Sounds great"
RW-"Shall we take my Bentley?"
MT-"Sure,my Hyundai is in the shop, and I am in a loaner"
RW- "So what's new?"
MT-"I got this new flask for Christmas"
RW-"Cool gift, but I do not drink any more"
MT-Get the f*ck outta here!"
RW-"Yep. Doc said my liver is the size of a watermelon"
MT-"Maybe that explains my weight gain"
RW- "So what have you been up to lately"
MT- "250 lbs and holding"
RW"-I meant musically"
MT_""Since 1974, about 250 fans per night"
RW-"I'll pick up the check"