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Re: OT: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: spikenyc ()
Date: January 6, 2025 18:59

People have asked Willie Nelson why he keeps going? (He's 91)
Willie has said many times, playing and touring is what keeps him going.

I think the same goes for the Stones.

Money will always be a factor, but staying alive is more important and fulfilling.

Re: OT: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 6, 2025 19:00

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Why paste a big picture, for the third time, only to add one word or one sentence to it? BV told us not to do so - so why keep on doing it?
What do you think you add to the thread by doing so?

If you're refering to me then I appologize, I didn't think about the fact that quoting another comment might do that.

Re: OT: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 6, 2025 19:03

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What a coincidence that a Swedish article is posted here on my second day.

Also, I think the author has a point, but I'd also argue that in many cases these guys are so rich that making money can't be the ONLY motivator. I personally tend to think that with the Stones a lot of it is addiction to the life-style as well as fear of boredom and decay in retirement.

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Re: OT: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 6, 2025 19:04

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spikenyc
People have asked Willie Nelson why he keeps going? (He's 91)
Willie has said many times, playing and touring is what keeps him going.

I think the same goes for the Stones.

Money will always be a factor, but staying alive is more important and fulfilling.

This feels like it rings especially true for Mick. Keith seems like a guy who is quite relaxed with his gardening and similar. Mick seems like he'd get restless in retirement.

Re: OT: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: January 6, 2025 19:24

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Glimmerest
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Stoneage
Why paste a big picture, for the third time, only to add one word or one sentence to it? BV told us not to do so - so why keep on doing it?
What do you think you add to the thread by doing so?

If you're refering to me then I appologize, I didn't think about the fact that quoting another comment might do that.

I'm not refering to you, Glimmerest. Not Rockman either. But copy-pasting an article over and over again just to add one word or sentence seems unnecessary to me.
I think BV told us not to do so also. You can add a comment without doing so. I hope someone understands what I'm talking about here.
No one has to apologize about anything. That's not the point.

Re: OT: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: January 6, 2025 19:45

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I do wonder what made Liam and Noel finally give in and make up. He had another affair kid which caused a divorce, but that was about a decade ago now.

Divorce is a huge contributing factor. That's clearly what happened with Oasis (though the payday was always too big that they couldn't ignore one day doing it), that's the same thing that happened with Guns N Roses. Slash got divorced and had to pay his wife 100k or something a month, and all of a sudden there's a GNR reunion. Their Oasis moment felt like it had passed, I truly did give up hope that would ever happened. But once Slash needed the money, he came crawling back. He let Axl keep some of his old band members, he learned Chinese Democracy songs while (eventually) Axl learned ONE Velvet Revolver song. I think he and all of them are happy it happened, and where they are now, but that reunion happened cause of one reason and its money.

Don Henley is out on tour with the supposed "Eagles" miming to a backing track because the money is too good. There were guys (Johnny Cash, Chuck Berry, Roy Orbison, etc) who toured till they died cause they couldn't do anything else. There's a lot of others these days that are just out to keep paying for their lifestyle. I don't believe the Stones are any exception.

Ahhh, "The Eagles" and their never ending last tour. Bunch of crap. At least Elton (finally) retired.

Of course, The Who have had how many final tours?

I've been drop reading Keith's LIFE (just pick it up, open wherever and read) and he says that the solo albums and tours he did were not enough, that people want the Rolling bleeding Stones. Of course it was more of a comment about Mick doing a "solo" tour, in name only.

Mick has done movies etc. Keith has done projects, his own or with people, but it's not anything like The Rolling Stones. Of course they don't need the money but they make a lot of people happy (and people have decent jobs for a while).

Maybe Mick needed the money a while back, child support, whatever, but they've made plenty since 1989 and obviously continue because it's what they do.

Re: OT: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 6, 2025 19:48

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Stoneage
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Glimmerest
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Stoneage
Why paste a big picture, for the third time, only to add one word or one sentence to it? BV told us not to do so - so why keep on doing it?
What do you think you add to the thread by doing so?

If you're refering to me then I appologize, I didn't think about the fact that quoting another comment might do that.

I'm not refering to you, Glimmerest. Not Rockman either. But copy-pasting an article over and over again just to add one word or sentence seems unnecessary to me.
I think BV told us not to do so also. You can add a comment without doing so. I hope someone understands what I'm talking about here.
No one has to apologize about anything. That's not the point.

Ok. I'll try to make sure to remove the image when I reply to someone. thumbs up

Re: OT: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 6, 2025 19:50

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Glimmerest
I do wonder what made Liam and Noel finally give in and make up. He had another affair kid which caused a divorce, but that was about a decade ago now.

Divorce is a huge contributing factor. That's clearly what happened with Oasis (though the payday was always too big that they couldn't ignore one day doing it), that's the same thing that happened with Guns N Roses. Slash got divorced and had to pay his wife 100k or something a month, and all of a sudden there's a GNR reunion. Their Oasis moment felt like it had passed, I truly did give up hope that would ever happened. But once Slash needed the money, he came crawling back. He let Axl keep some of his old band members, he learned Chinese Democracy songs while (eventually) Axl learned ONE Velvet Revolver song. I think he and all of them are happy it happened, and where they are now, but that reunion happened cause of one reason and its money.

Don Henley is out on tour with the supposed "Eagles" miming to a backing track because the money is too good. There were guys (Johnny Cash, Chuck Berry, Roy Orbison, etc) who toured till they died cause they couldn't do anything else. There's a lot of others these days that are just out to keep paying for their lifestyle. I don't believe the Stones are any exception.

Ahhh, "The Eagles" and their never ending last tour. Bunch of crap. At least Elton (finally) retired.

Of course, The Who have had how many final tours?

I've been drop reading Keith's LIFE (just pick it up, open wherever and read) and he says that the solo albums and tours he did were not enough, that people want the Rolling bleeding Stones. Of course it was more of a comment about Mick doing a "solo" tour, in name only.

Mick has done movies etc. Keith has done projects, his own or with people, but it's not anything like The Rolling Stones. Of course they don't need the money but they make a lot of people happy (and people have decent jobs for a while).

Maybe Mick needed the money a while back, child support, whatever, but they've made plenty since 1989 and obviously continue because it's what they do.

Elton has some health issues now does he not? Poor guy.

Re: OT: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: January 6, 2025 19:53

I don't know. He talked about wanting to spend time with his kids etc.

Re: OT: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 6, 2025 20:18

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I don't know. He talked about wanting to spend time with his kids etc.

I think he said something recently about being blind in his right eye

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: StonedRambler ()
Date: January 7, 2025 01:54

Reading this thread it seems you all can’t comprehend that musicians love what their doing.

Doing what you love and getting paid for it really well - what’s not to like?

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 7, 2025 02:51

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StonedRambler
Reading this thread it seems you all can’t comprehend that musicians love what their doing.

Doing what you love and getting paid for it really well - what’s not to like?

Fair point

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: stonesurvive ()
Date: January 7, 2025 08:39

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StonedRambler
Reading this thread it seems you all can’t comprehend that musicians love what their doing.

Doing what you and getting paid for it really well - what’s not to like?


Thanks SR...............there has got to be very few things exciting as going out on stage and having 40-50 thousand people screaming for you, and making 1 million plus (each primary star band member).

I personally thought that after Steel Wheels, the boys were likely apprehensive that the next few tours would sell!!!! cool smiley SURPRISE!!!, most of their tours were the highest grossing with less dates than other bands

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Javadave ()
Date: January 7, 2025 10:00

Jim Morrison walked away from the Rock ‘n Roll circus before he died. Kurt Cobain and Chris Cornell demonstrably left the life. The fame and money isn’t for everyone.

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 7, 2025 17:31

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Javadave
Jim Morrison walked away from the Rock ‘n Roll circus before he died. Kurt Cobain and Chris Cornell demonstrably left the life. The fame and money isn’t for everyone.

Ok but 2/3 of those might not be the best examples...

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: NashvilleBlues ()
Date: January 7, 2025 17:42

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Glimmerest
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Javadave
Jim Morrison walked away from the Rock ‘n Roll circus before he died. Kurt Cobain and Chris Cornell demonstrably left the life. The fame and money isn’t for everyone.

Ok but 2/3 of those might not be the best examples...

Why not? It’s part of the “rockstar life” story.

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 7, 2025 17:44

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Jim Morrison walked away from the Rock ‘n Roll circus before he died. Kurt Cobain and Chris Cornell demonstrably left the life. The fame and money isn’t for everyone.

Ok but 2/3 of those might not be the best examples...

Why not? It’s part of the “rockstar life” story.

I mean in the end they didn't at all end up "escaping" rock or the lifestyle, it killed them.

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: NashvilleBlues ()
Date: January 7, 2025 17:50

^ Oh yeah. That’s true. Thanks for the clarification. Either way, it seems to fit the narrative that many rockers are in it till the end (no matter what that end is).

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: January 7, 2025 18:04

They've already sold their souls... so no need for a 401(k).

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: January 7, 2025 18:12

I think the difference is, and maybe what the author is trying to put forward, the money. I remember old acts doing ferries and clubs in the 80s. Now they sell out stadiums.

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 7, 2025 18:32

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Stoneage
I think the difference is, and maybe what the author is trying to put forward, the money. I remember old acts doing ferries and clubs in the 80s. Now they sell out stadiums.

Yeah it's an interesting phenomenon

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: January 7, 2025 18:43

For non-Swedish speaking; here are some other reviews (in English):

[literaryreview.co.uk]
[www.theguardian.com]

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Sighunt ()
Date: January 7, 2025 20:31

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StonedRambler
Reading this thread it seems you all can’t comprehend that musicians love what their doing.

Doing what you love and getting paid for it really well - what’s not to like?

I think your assessment pretty much says it all. Musicians obviously must like what they do. Depending on who you are, you can get paid handsomely, and the adulation of the masses, along with all the perks that go along with being a "rock star" ain't too shabby either....

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: January 7, 2025 21:45

The author talks about "rock's third act". I remember Tina Turner who was forgotten for a while and then had a second breakthrough in the 80s.
Maybe the Stones second act started in 1989 and third in 2012?

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 7, 2025 21:46

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Stoneage
The author talks about "rock's third act". I remember Tina Turner who was forgotten for a while and then had a second breakthrough in the 80s.
Maybe the Stones second act started in 1989 and third in 2012?

Interesting idea. I hope it lasts long.

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: January 9, 2025 11:52

I suppose much of the picture for any "heritage" artists revolves around the size and affluence of their respective ageing fanbases.

The Stones are perhaps lucky in that their fanbase spans a number of generations and also in that attending a Stones show has, over the last 20 years or so, become one of those "things to do at least once" .



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Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: angee ()
Date: January 9, 2025 21:43

"...also in that attending a Stones show has, over the last 20 years or so, become one of those "things to do at least once" .

It has? Could be. Spud, why do you think so, what gives you that impression?

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Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: January 9, 2025 21:51

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angee
"...also in that attending a Stones show has, over the last 20 years or so, become one of those "things to do at least once" .

It has? Could be. Spud, why do you think so, what gives you that impression?


I cannot speak for ‘spud’, but with the stones being a ‘heritage act’ and - from a British perspective - an ‘institution’-, I can certainly entertain the idea of the Stones being a sort of ‘bucket list’ ‘one-off’ for many.

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: January 10, 2025 10:47

That's it...not for everybody of course..

But perhaps due to their stature, and little bit of luck, the Stones have managed to retain some "cool" with generations younger than those who grew with them.

Re: Why rockstars never retire
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: January 10, 2025 11:17

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Spud
That's it...not for everybody of course..

But perhaps due to their stature, and little bit of luck, the Stones have managed to retain some "cool" with generations younger than those who grew with them.

Yes, post 2012, definitely. I'm not sure how 'credible' the Stones were with the younger Generation X and older Millennial demographics throughout the 90's and into the 2000's, though. The NME was unfavourable and whilst I liked them ( born in 1983), that was through my father's influence.

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