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Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: Christiaan ()
Date: June 1, 2024 13:23

As the selling of this show in pre-sale was very slow, they won’t put up Lucky Dip up. Why should they? Loose more money on the show? But that’s my thinking of it. I’m not an expert as is Topi of course. And the normal selling is as even slow as was pre-sale, I will not write here what sadly comes to my mind…….
But I remember Honolulu 2006 myself. The show never happened, because of playing there, they played a rescheduled show on the same date……. It was not as expensive for them to play there with the huge stage then it would be in Hawaii.

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: June 1, 2024 15:48

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Christiaan
As the selling of this show in pre-sale was very slow, they won’t put up Lucky Dip up. Why should they? Loose more money on the show? But that’s my thinking of it. I’m not an expert as is Topi of course. And the normal selling is as even slow as was pre-sale, I will not write here what sadly comes to my mind…….
But I remember Honolulu 2006 myself. The show never happened, because of playing there, they played a rescheduled show on the same date……. It was not as expensive for them to play there with the huge stage then it would be in Hawaii.

My guess is the sponsor payed the band a flat fee like a corporate gig for this.

When the price range for TM first came up ($280-$818), I was fairly certain we wouldn't see Lucky Dips as they usually are included in the range by TM when offered.

Course, that could change as everyone wants a full house, but it may take some incentives. Also think the slow ticket sales are more a reflection on the venue than the band as the logistical nightmare reviews continued beyond their first Garth show which was a well publicized fiasco.



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Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: Sliquemonet ()
Date: June 1, 2024 16:00

Lucky Dip never came up during the on sale for this show. Any ideas as to why not?

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: June 1, 2024 17:35

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Sliquemonet

Lucky Dip never came up during the on sale for this show. Any ideas as to why not?

Maybe LDs could be released at a later date, like in 2021 - [iorr.org] .

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: June 1, 2024 20:52

Nothing aside from Morgan Wallen seems to be selling well there either. If Luke Bryan and Chris Stapleton are still hot, there sure are a lot of tickets left.

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: stonesurvive ()
Date: June 1, 2024 20:59

.................IMO.....they cannot cancel this show under any circumstances, because Chuck Leavall is best friends with the owner of Bass Pro Shops, and he requested to book the Stones.

.................As much as Mick can be an S>O>B, he likely will not cancel it.


....
.................Watch this space for another comment on this topic!!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>urgent>>>>>>>>>>>>The newspapers from Missouri are calling this the FINAL American tourconfused smiley, so I am wondering if that casually came from Chuck in a private conversation?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: NashvilleBlues ()
Date: June 1, 2024 21:05

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stonesurvive
.................IMO.....they cannot cancel this show under any circumstances, because Chuck Leavall is best friends with the owner of Bass Pro Shops, and he requested to book the Stones.

.................As much as Mick can be an S>O>B, he likely will not cancel it.


....
.................Watch this space for another comment on this topic!!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>urgent>>>>>>>>>>>>The newspapers from Missouri are calling this the FINAL American tourconfused smiley, so I am wondering if that casually came from Chuck in a private conversation?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I’m as far from an insider as you can be, but do you really think Mick and Keith know it’s their last US tour? I don’t think so. And, if they did, would they tell Chuck? And, wouldn’t he have an NDA?

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: June 1, 2024 21:25

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stonesurvive

The newspapers from Missouri are calling this the FINAL American tour

"Final stop on the North American Tour" - see here: [iorr.org] .

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: June 1, 2024 22:35

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stonesurvive
The newspapers from Missouri are calling this the FINAL American tour

From Springfield (MO) News-Leader:

The Rolling Stones tour, which kicked off in Houston, Texas last month, features 16 cities in the United States and Canada. The band's performance at Thunder Ridge rounds out the tour, after stops in New Jersey, Washington, Nevada, Arizona, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Florida, Georgia, Philadelphia, Ohio, Colorado, Illinois, British Columbia and California.

[www.news-leader.com]

From St. Louis (MO) Post-Dispatch:

The Stones announced Thursday (May 23) that they will end their summer Hackney Diamonds Tour on July 21 at Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, a brand new monument to mountain beauty in Missouri built by Bass Pro Shops founder and CEO Johnny Morris.

[www.stltoday.com]

From Branson (MO) Tri-Lake News:

Iconic Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees The Rolling Stones will be ending the North America part of their Hackney Diamonds tour at the outdoor venue on Sunday, July 21. The venue of 20,000 will be one of the smallest the Stones will play on their worldwide tour backing Hackney Diamonds, their first album of original material since 2005.

[www.bransontrilakesnews.com]



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Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: PalaisRoyale ()
Date: June 2, 2024 00:07

If this was it they would have played another 6-8 cities and the tour would
have went into August. Not sure how final North American stop causes so much confusion.

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: June 2, 2024 00:11

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Topi
What's interesting is that they seem to have changed the Platinum tickets that were being sold in the presales to Standard tickets.

Is that the algorithm talking due to slower sales?

Absolutely. There is some human involvement but Platinum tickets are also directly priced off the resale feed. Even if the show isn't resale enabled, Ticketmaster+ is still getting the feed from brokers point of sale systems and they probably even see the final sales data from other exchanges.

Even some of those tickets are priced below the break even point already.

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: June 2, 2024 01:26

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stonesurvive
The newspapers from Missouri are calling this the FINAL American tourconfused smiley, so I am wondering if that casually came from Chuck in a private conversation?

The venue press release referred to it as the final stop on the final tour..both in the header and the body of the release.
I don't doubt a couple papers ran their press release and later corrected it to final stop.

My initial thought was perhaps they know something we don't (via Chuck) as well, but seems more likely it was just an error (that oddly they haven't corrected)
"World’s Most Iconic Rock Band, The Rolling Stones, Select Thunder Ridge Nature Arena As Destination For Final North American Performance

RIDGEDALE, Missouri – Bass Pro Shops Big Cedar Lodge announced today that on July 21 the Ozarks will rock as the ancient hills, valleys and lakes never have when the world’s greatest rock and roll band, The Rolling Stones, light up Thunder Ridge Nature Arena for last performance on final North American tour.
[about.basspro.com]

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: daspyknows ()
Date: June 2, 2024 01:53

It may turn out to be the final US tour but only way we know is to turn the clock forward a number of years. If everyone stays healthy, they are still having fun and there is not a global apocalypse we could be talking about a Stones 65 tour. The Rolling Stones will keep rolling until they can roll no more. Seeing this tour so far, they are not done rolling.

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: kovach ()
Date: June 2, 2024 01:56

Maybe we'll get a reslly good opening act out of the seemingly slower than usual sales.

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: IGTBA ()
Date: June 2, 2024 02:34

RE; "final North America tour".

I'm sure that's not from the Stones; might be a Thunder Ridge mistake, but also might be intentional to try to fill that place. While it's smaller than stadiums, it is large for being not very accessible. More significantly, RS fans are older and generally do not want to deal with all the issues at Thunder Ridge. I predict they won't come close to filling that place, at current prices. I'm not saying it won't be mostly full, but they will need a combination of significantly lower prices and giveaways. The Stones will not draw fans there as Morgan Wallen did. For example, I'm seeing Luke Combs two concerts at the same Glendale, AZ stadium where the Stones performed in early May. Yesterdays Combs concert was more packed than the Stones - more importantly, the average fan for Combs is much younger. Combs might be a bigger draw than Wallen, but Combs is packing the stadium two nights in a row. Demand to see Wallen is close to Combs and if anything, Wallens fans are younger still and more willing to put up with the issues at Thunder Ridge.

I'm only going because I've been going to the last Stones concert every year from 2017 on, because we will never know when the final Stones concert happens, until afterward.



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Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: stonesurvive ()
Date: June 2, 2024 08:46

....responding to Nashville Blues....................

.....No, I do not think they know it's their last U.S. tour, and that's why they are the Stones!.............I read the article, and 2 news items popped up calling it the "Final American Tour". The Stones are not going to "satisfy" the pundits and other bands that continue to perform, but do not cause the excitement that the Stones do!. Ever notice that it is all over the news when they announce a tour?. (they were interviewed on the tarmac after getting off a plane for the 2019 tour).smiling bouncing smileydrinking smiley

......The only other acts that get that type of attention are Maca, Springsteen, and Billy Joel.

.......

..........P.S.--I have a Who poster from 1981 which says it is their "last tour" (sponsored by Schlitz Beer).

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: kovach ()
Date: June 3, 2024 18:15

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stonesurvive
....responding to Nashville Blues....................

.....No, I do not think they know it's their last U.S. tour, and that's why they are the Stones!.............I read the article, and 2 news items popped up calling it the "Final American Tour". The Stones are not going to "satisfy" the pundits and other bands that continue to perform, but do not cause the excitement that the Stones do!. Ever notice that it is all over the news when they announce a tour?. (they were interviewed on the tarmac after getting off a plane for the 2019 tour).smiling bouncing smileydrinking smiley

......The only other acts that get that type of attention are Maca, Springsteen, and Billy Joel.

.......

..........P.S.--I have a Who poster from 1981 which says it is their "last tour" (sponsored by Schlitz Beer).

Seems like every Who tour since, and including, '81 was stated as their farewell tour.

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: June 3, 2024 18:34

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kovach
Quote
stonesurvive
P.S.--I have a Who poster from 1981 which says it is their "last tour" (sponsored by Schlitz Beer).

Seems like every Who tour since, and including, '81 was stated as their farewell tour.

The Who's "Farewell" Tour was in 1982. The Schlitz poster made no mention of that.

[www.ebay.com]

[www.etsy.com]

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: kovach ()
Date: June 4, 2024 06:50

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bye bye johnny
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kovach
Quote
stonesurvive
P.S.--I have a Who poster from 1981 which says it is their "last tour" (sponsored by Schlitz Beer).

Seems like every Who tour since, and including, '81 was stated as their farewell tour.

The Who's "Farewell" Tour was in 1982. The Schlitz poster made no mention of that.

[www.ebay.com]

[www.etsy.com]

Good catch, you're right! I still have a shirt from that tour. Doesn't fit of course.

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: stonesurvive ()
Date: June 4, 2024 12:06

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bye bye johnny
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kovach
Quote
stonesurvive
P.S.--I have a Who poster from 1981 which says it is their "last tour" (sponsored by Schlitz Beer).

Seems like every Who tour since, and including, '81 was stated as their farewell tour.

The Who's "Farewell" Tour was in 1982. The Schlitz poster made no mention of that.

[www.ebay.com]

[www.etsy.com]

..........sorry about that, I was wrong on the date. The poster is somewhere in my house, if I find it, I will post.

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: June 5, 2024 18:05

I was looking at ticket sales of the Stones show at Thunder Ridge on July 21 by comparing screenshots of the webpage showing available/ unavailable seats... Side-by-side comparisons show seats that were previously marked "unavailable" (shown in gray) becoming available (shown in blue) as other nearby seats are sold.

This shows TM's practice of holding back tickets, especially in the slower selling sections, to create artificial scarcity and maximize their profits. This practice is not easy to discern... For example, look at the following comparisons of Section 1, Row 4, Seats 5-8 (the section on the left in each of the diagrams below, and counting up from the bottom)... Those seats become available after seats 3 and 4 are sold.




Sections 1,10 Last Fri (left)
.........................................
Sections 1,10 Today (right)

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: TheBluesHadaBaby ()
Date: June 5, 2024 20:17

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schillid
I was looking at ticket sales of the Stones show at Thunder Ridge on July 21 by comparing screenshots of the webpage showing available/ unavailable seats... Side-by-side comparisons show seats that were previously marked "unavailable" (shown in gray) becoming available (shown in blue) as other nearby seats are sold.

This shows TM's practice of holding back tickets, especially in the slower selling sections, to create artificial scarcity and maximize their profits. This practice is not easy to discern... For example, look at the following comparisons of Section 1, Row 4, Seats 5-8 (the section on the left in each of the diagrams below, and counting up from the bottom)... Those seats become available after seats 3 and 4 are sold.




Sections 1,10 Last Fri (left)
.........................................
Sections 1,10 Today (right)

They definitely do this. TM/LiveNation does every manipulation its marketers and programmers can cook up to create illusions of high demand and scarce seats.

They also used to misrepresent seats as Verified Resales -- at scalper prices of course -- by slight of hand, simply switching technical ownership of them to their wholly owned subsidiary TicketsNow. That way they controlled perceived scarcity even more, creating even more of a false illusion, but for those sests got to say, hey, it's not us, it's resellers! Created a bogus apparent "competition" between TM platinum prices and supposed reseller prices for many seats... while actually controlling both.

I myself am not convinced they aren't still doing the phony reseller manipulation.

The problem is that there's nobody stopping them -- here, at least -- from presenting the tickets they control however they want to.

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: June 5, 2024 20:49

"I myself am not convinced they aren't still doing the phony reseller manipulation."

Except there are plenty of real resales when they can just sell their own tickets as platinums, which are often priced directly off the resale feed. You can usually find the exact same resale seats on all sites (though TM has their own point of sale service, they don't get fees when tickets are sold on other sites)

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: TheBluesHadaBaby ()
Date: June 5, 2024 21:55

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Dan
"I myself am not convinced they aren't still doing the phony reseller manipulation."

Except there are plenty of real resales when they can just sell their own tickets as platinums, which are often priced directly off the resale feed. You can usually find the exact same resale seats on all sites (though TM has their own point of sale service, they don't get fees when tickets are sold on other sites)

There are lots of Verified Resale tix owned by actual 3rd parties, absolutely. Don't misunderstand me, I've never suggested TM remains defacto owner of all Verified Resales it shows on its seat maps, or that they ever did. But my understanding is that they did remain de facto owner of batches of them in the past... what portion of them I don't think we've ever known. And if they're still doing this, I would still assume most reales listed are owned by actual 3rd parties.

But they wouldn't need to still own but a portion of "resale" tix to still be able to have some additional sway over the dynamics of tix selling above standard price. There's a push-pull between resale and platinum prices being achieved, and TM for all purposes still owning via TicketsNow batches of purported Verified Resales gave them a hidden finger on that side of the market.

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: June 13, 2024 20:02

I am starting to wonder if this show will even happen and not get moved to an arena, shed or casino in a "safe" area.

I know they always have ways to fill the place but in this case you would need a population to draw from.

Ticket sales are absolutely dire. Also the location doesn't seem optimum for big shows at all. Garth Brooks, perhaps the biggest star of our time, maybe, and Morgan Wallen who is also absolutely massive, but your standard mass market events? Maybe not.

This is the aftermarket for Chris Stapleton, traditionally a big moneymaker for brokers.

[www.vividseats.com]



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Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: June 13, 2024 21:58

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Dan
I am starting to wonder if this show will even happen and not get moved to an arena, shed or casino in a "safe" area.

I know they always have ways to fill the place but in this case you would need a population to draw from.

Ticket sales are absolutely dire. Also the location doesn't seem optimum for big shows at all. Garth Brooks, perhaps the biggest star of our time, maybe, and Morgan Wallen who is also absolutely massive, but your standard mass market events? Maybe not.

This is the aftermarket for Chris Stapleton, traditionally a big moneymaker for brokers.

[www.vividseats.com]

Interesting. And from the information that is readily available about past events, and current offerings, how could they not be aware this was likely?

Someone seems like they dropped the ball...I wonder if they'll regret adding this?

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: June 13, 2024 22:16

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treaclefingers
Interesting. And from the information that is readily available about past events, and current offerings, how could they not be aware this was likely?

Someone seems like they dropped the ball...I wonder if they'll regret adding this?

To be fair, when they booked it I believe the only real nightmare past scenario info available was the Garth Brooks fiasco last year. Since the Brooks show, they widened highway lanes and allegedly made several other improvements to try to accommodate the large concerts. It doesn't appear to have done the trick clearly, so perhaps this one will get shelved. Only way I'd go to this one is if I lived closer and could swing the RV parking/camping on site,

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: June 13, 2024 22:36

They might want to consider organizing shuttle buses bundled with tickets from Little Rock, Memphis, Kansas City, St Louis, Tulsa etc.

I remember rolling up to Soldier Field 1997 and there was a portable box office selling combo tickets / bus tickets to Madison.



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Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: stonesurvive ()
Date: June 15, 2024 12:20

................This show was booked at Chuck Leavall's request,as he is a close friend of the owners of the venue. Doubtful Mick will cancel it......................

...........They should come "back up to Boston", Arguably one of their three favorite cities to play!!!confused smileythumbs up

Re: NEW SHOW ADDED: Thunder Ridge Nature Arena, Ridgedale MO USA - July 21, 2024 - Stones travel and show info
Posted by: RSbestbandever ()
Date: June 17, 2024 22:22

Lol, well my wife and I will be there and I'll try and give a solid recap of both good and bad from Thunder Ridge. I have family in that area so we are making it a weeklong trip. Just got back from seeing the band in both Orlando and Atlanta but couldn't pass up the opportunity to see the Rolling Stones at this venue with family so close by. Anyway, we are looking forward to the trip and hopefully it goes without too much trouble.

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