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Drummer here.

Steve Jordan is a great drummer and plays Charlie's parts very true to Charlie's style, and when not, more true to the original sound, such as during It's Only Rock and Roll. I don't think you can judge the sound of Steve's snare based on the YouTube recordings that are shared online. Steve's signature sound (listen to the Winos recordings, both studio and live), is VERY rim heavy and snappy.

We all love Charlie, but truth be told, he was kind of famously lazy as a drummer, for better or for worse. Steve is a different guy, a different drummer, but one who respects Charlie and Charlie's style tremendously.

My humblest opinion: Steve's playing keeps the band sounding tighter than they've sounded in eons. Charlie was lovely and obviously part of the signature Stones sound, but he had a tendency to drag, and occasionally flub. Keith also occasionally flubs. And when they both flub, we get those lovely colossal trainwrecks that occasionally make their way onto the internets for us to gawk over. Everybody misses Charlie, but my guess is the band is quite happy with Steve.

I disagree, I think the band sounds very Vegas. There's no spark, it sounds more like a lounge act. Even The Who was smart enough to bring on Simon Townshend crank to out more power.

Sicilian, it looks like you missed the point. And - the Stones were already a Vegas act 20 years ago - Steve Jordan has tightened things up.

Besides, saying Vegas now is equal to "this ain't my first rodeo" - extremely weak and very telling: these days nobody plays in Vegas unless they're good, very good, or, you know, great.

It's a whole new thang now.

And people that say "this ain't my first rodeo" are not to be taken seriously.

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They should have auditioned other drummers, heck with a basic kit you could have used Ringo Starr. Kenny Jones would have been a great drummer for the Stones but he's too fast and the band can't hang with him.

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So I think both Steve and Darryl are just perfect guys for the job description almost impossible to win. I don't think there are any better guys out there.

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I liked the Stones shows I saw with Jordan on drums, he brought back a lot of energy. Charlie was fabulous, but in 1999 he really started to lack in the energy department.

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I liked the Stones shows I saw with Jordan on drums, he brought back a lot of energy. Charlie was fabulous, but in 1999 he really started to lack in the energy department.

And yet Charlie played their songs faster with more energy even in 2007 compared to Jordan nowadays.

Does anyone really prefer Jordan on Start Me Up compared to good old Charlie?

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Drummer here.

Steve Jordan is a great drummer and plays Charlie's parts very true to Charlie's style, and when not, more true to the original sound, such as during It's Only Rock and Roll. I don't think you can judge the sound of Steve's snare based on the YouTube recordings that are shared online. Steve's signature sound (listen to the Winos recordings, both studio and live), is VERY rim heavy and snappy.

We all love Charlie, but truth be told, he was kind of famously lazy as a drummer, for better or for worse. Steve is a different guy, a different drummer, but one who respects Charlie and Charlie's style tremendously.

My humblest opinion: Steve's playing keeps the band sounding tighter than they've sounded in eons. Charlie was lovely and obviously part of the signature Stones sound, but he had a tendency to drag, and occasionally flub. Keith also occasionally flubs. And when they both flub, we get those lovely colossal trainwrecks that occasionally make their way onto the internets for us to gawk over. Everybody misses Charlie, but my guess is the band is quite happy with Steve.

I disagree, I think the band sounds very Vegas. There's no spark, it sounds more like a lounge act. Even The Who was smart enough to bring on Simon Townshend crank to out more power.

Sicilian, it looks like you missed the point. And - the Stones were already a Vegas act 20 years ago - Steve Jordan has tightened things up.

Besides, saying Vegas now is equal to "this ain't my first rodeo" - extremely weak and very telling: these days nobody plays in Vegas unless they're good, very good, or, you know, great.

It's a whole new thang now.

And people that say "this ain't my first rodeo" are not to be taken seriously.

Tightened up how exactly? Define tightened.

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I liked the Stones shows I saw with Jordan on drums, he brought back a lot of energy. Charlie was fabulous, but in 1999 he really started to lack in the energy department.

And yet Charlie played their songs faster with more energy even in 2007 compared to Jordan nowadays.

Does anyone really prefer Jordan on Start Me Up compared to good old Charlie?

Start Me Up and Tumbling Dice (my 2 fave warhorses) sounded the best in 2007. Just summat about the vibe and Charlie was on top form during 06-07.

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Drummer here.

Steve Jordan is a great drummer and plays Charlie's parts very true to Charlie's style, and when not, more true to the original sound, such as during It's Only Rock and Roll. I don't think you can judge the sound of Steve's snare based on the YouTube recordings that are shared online. Steve's signature sound (listen to the Winos recordings, both studio and live), is VERY rim heavy and snappy.

We all love Charlie, but truth be told, he was kind of famously lazy as a drummer, for better or for worse. Steve is a different guy, a different drummer, but one who respects Charlie and Charlie's style tremendously.

My humblest opinion: Steve's playing keeps the band sounding tighter than they've sounded in eons. Charlie was lovely and obviously part of the signature Stones sound, but he had a tendency to drag, and occasionally flub. Keith also occasionally flubs. And when they both flub, we get those lovely colossal trainwrecks that occasionally make their way onto the internets for us to gawk over. Everybody misses Charlie, but my guess is the band is quite happy with Steve.

I disagree, I think the band sounds very Vegas. There's no spark, it sounds more like a lounge act. Even The Who was smart enough to bring on Simon Townshend crank to out more power.

Sicilian, it looks like you missed the point. And - the Stones were already a Vegas act 20 years ago - Steve Jordan has tightened things up.

Besides, saying Vegas now is equal to "this ain't my first rodeo" - extremely weak and very telling: these days nobody plays in Vegas unless they're good, very good, or, you know, great.

It's a whole new thang now.

And people that say "this ain't my first rodeo" are not to be taken seriously.

Tightened up how exactly? Define tightened.

A bit more steady. Charlie moved around the beat, Steve sets the beat.

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The VOODOO tours SMU was extremely slow and loose and bordered being in shambles.

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Drummer here.

Steve Jordan is a great drummer and plays Charlie's parts very true to Charlie's style, and when not, more true to the original sound, such as during It's Only Rock and Roll. I don't think you can judge the sound of Steve's snare based on the YouTube recordings that are shared online. Steve's signature sound (listen to the Winos recordings, both studio and live), is VERY rim heavy and snappy.

We all love Charlie, but truth be told, he was kind of famously lazy as a drummer, for better or for worse. Steve is a different guy, a different drummer, but one who respects Charlie and Charlie's style tremendously.

My humblest opinion: Steve's playing keeps the band sounding tighter than they've sounded in eons. Charlie was lovely and obviously part of the signature Stones sound, but he had a tendency to drag, and occasionally flub. Keith also occasionally flubs. And when they both flub, we get those lovely colossal trainwrecks that occasionally make their way onto the internets for us to gawk over. Everybody misses Charlie, but my guess is the band is quite happy with Steve.

I disagree, I think the band sounds very Vegas. There's no spark, it sounds more like a lounge act. Even The Who was smart enough to bring on Simon Townshend crank to out more power.

Sicilian, it looks like you missed the point. And - the Stones were already a Vegas act 20 years ago - Steve Jordan has tightened things up.

Besides, saying Vegas now is equal to "this ain't my first rodeo" - extremely weak and very telling: these days nobody plays in Vegas unless they're good, very good, or, you know, great.

It's a whole new thang now.

And people that say "this ain't my first rodeo" are not to be taken seriously.

Tightened up how exactly? Define tightened.

A bit more steady. Charlie moved around the beat, Steve sets the beat.

I’m not a muso. So this I’d a genuine question.

How can Charlie move around the beat? Isn’t the drummer THE beat? WHAT the drummer plays, whether it’s slowly, or too fast, or “right”, isn’t THAT the beat? How can Charlie have moved around the beat?

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Does anyone really prefer Jordan on Start Me Up compared to good old Charlie?

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I liked the Stones shows I saw with Jordan on drums, he brought back a lot of energy. Charlie was fabulous, but in 1999 he really started to lack in the energy department.

And yet Charlie played their songs faster with more energy even in 2007 compared to Jordan nowadays.

Does anyone really prefer Jordan on Start Me Up compared to good old Charlie?

Start Me Up and Tumbling Dice (my 2 fave warhorses) sounded the best in 2007. Just summat about the vibe and Charlie was on top form during 06-07.

Steve in 2023 is much closer to the original than Charlie ever was, even in 1981-82.

The best SMU was 1989.

The VOODOO tours SMU was extremely slow and loose and bordered being in shambles.

You're comparing apples to spare tires.

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Drummer here.

Steve Jordan is a great drummer and plays Charlie's parts very true to Charlie's style, and when not, more true to the original sound, such as during It's Only Rock and Roll. I don't think you can judge the sound of Steve's snare based on the YouTube recordings that are shared online. Steve's signature sound (listen to the Winos recordings, both studio and live), is VERY rim heavy and snappy.

We all love Charlie, but truth be told, he was kind of famously lazy as a drummer, for better or for worse. Steve is a different guy, a different drummer, but one who respects Charlie and Charlie's style tremendously.

My humblest opinion: Steve's playing keeps the band sounding tighter than they've sounded in eons. Charlie was lovely and obviously part of the signature Stones sound, but he had a tendency to drag, and occasionally flub. Keith also occasionally flubs. And when they both flub, we get those lovely colossal trainwrecks that occasionally make their way onto the internets for us to gawk over. Everybody misses Charlie, but my guess is the band is quite happy with Steve.

I disagree, I think the band sounds very Vegas. There's no spark, it sounds more like a lounge act. Even The Who was smart enough to bring on Simon Townshend crank to out more power.

Sicilian, it looks like you missed the point. And - the Stones were already a Vegas act 20 years ago - Steve Jordan has tightened things up.

Besides, saying Vegas now is equal to "this ain't my first rodeo" - extremely weak and very telling: these days nobody plays in Vegas unless they're good, very good, or, you know, great.

It's a whole new thang now.

And people that say "this ain't my first rodeo" are not to be taken seriously.

Tightened up how exactly? Define tightened.

A bit more steady. Charlie moved around the beat, Steve sets the beat.

I’m not a muso. So this I’d a genuine question.

How can Charlie move around the beat? Isn’t the drummer THE beat? WHAT the drummer plays, whether it’s slowly, or too fast, or “right”, isn’t THAT the beat? How can Charlie have moved around the beat?

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You're comparing apples to spare tires.

No I think SMU and TD sounded the best in 2007 everything just came together on those 2 tunes in 05-07. 89 was great but a bit too fast (SMU). Apples to spare tires? Waddya on about?

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...What made Charlie so great is also a bit of a mystery -when he played a straight 4-to-the-floor without anything really happening, it still had a groove, it still wobbled and danced. Take She's So Cold for example -nothing really happening with the drums, but it still grooves like crazy.

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Drummer here.

Steve Jordan is a great drummer and plays Charlie's parts very true to Charlie's style, and when not, more true to the original sound, such as during It's Only Rock and Roll. I don't think you can judge the sound of Steve's snare based on the YouTube recordings that are shared online. Steve's signature sound (listen to the Winos recordings, both studio and live), is VERY rim heavy and snappy.

We all love Charlie, but truth be told, he was kind of famously lazy as a drummer, for better or for worse. Steve is a different guy, a different drummer, but one who respects Charlie and Charlie's style tremendously.

My humblest opinion: Steve's playing keeps the band sounding tighter than they've sounded in eons. Charlie was lovely and obviously part of the signature Stones sound, but he had a tendency to drag, and occasionally flub. Keith also occasionally flubs. And when they both flub, we get those lovely colossal trainwrecks that occasionally make their way onto the internets for us to gawk over. Everybody misses Charlie, but my guess is the band is quite happy with Steve.

I disagree, I think the band sounds very Vegas. There's no spark, it sounds more like a lounge act. Even The Who was smart enough to bring on Simon Townshend crank to out more power.

Sicilian, it looks like you missed the point. And - the Stones were already a Vegas act 20 years ago - Steve Jordan has tightened things up.

Besides, saying Vegas now is equal to "this ain't my first rodeo" - extremely weak and very telling: these days nobody plays in Vegas unless they're good, very good, or, you know, great.

It's a whole new thang now.

And people that say "this ain't my first rodeo" are not to be taken seriously.

Tightened up how exactly? Define tightened.

A bit more steady. Charlie moved around the beat, Steve sets the beat.

I’m not a muso. So this I’d a genuine question.

How can Charlie move around the beat? Isn’t the drummer THE beat? WHAT the drummer plays, whether it’s slowly, or too fast, or “right”, isn’t THAT the beat? How can Charlie have moved around the beat?

Because a drummer can not only play to fast or too slow, but he can also play with the timing of the beat. He can place the snare right before or after the beat, and the same with the kickdrum -Charlie was great in slowing down within the four beats, and then accelerating with a drum roll (JJF in Brussels) or with his kick (JJF on Ya-Yas's) to get back to the 'on the beat'. And with playing around with the volume and intensity you can create tension, or what is called 'groove', enhanced by skipping beats or bars.

What made Charlie so great is also a bit of a mystery -when he played a straight 4-to-the-floor without anything really happening, it still had a groove, it still wobbled and danced. Take She's So Cold for example -nothing really happening with the drums, but it still grooves like crazy.

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Drummer here.

Steve Jordan is a great drummer and plays Charlie's parts very true to Charlie's style, and when not, more true to the original sound, such as during It's Only Rock and Roll. I don't think you can judge the sound of Steve's snare based on the YouTube recordings that are shared online. Steve's signature sound (listen to the Winos recordings, both studio and live), is VERY rim heavy and snappy.

We all love Charlie, but truth be told, he was kind of famously lazy as a drummer, for better or for worse. Steve is a different guy, a different drummer, but one who respects Charlie and Charlie's style tremendously.

My humblest opinion: Steve's playing keeps the band sounding tighter than they've sounded in eons. Charlie was lovely and obviously part of the signature Stones sound, but he had a tendency to drag, and occasionally flub. Keith also occasionally flubs. And when they both flub, we get those lovely colossal trainwrecks that occasionally make their way onto the internets for us to gawk over. Everybody misses Charlie, but my guess is the band is quite happy with Steve.

I disagree, I think the band sounds very Vegas. There's no spark, it sounds more like a lounge act. Even The Who was smart enough to bring on Simon Townshend crank to out more power.

Sicilian, it looks like you missed the point. And - the Stones were already a Vegas act 20 years ago - Steve Jordan has tightened things up.

Besides, saying Vegas now is equal to "this ain't my first rodeo" - extremely weak and very telling: these days nobody plays in Vegas unless they're good, very good, or, you know, great.

It's a whole new thang now.

And people that say "this ain't my first rodeo" are not to be taken seriously.

Tightened up how exactly? Define tightened.

A bit more steady. Charlie moved around the beat, Steve sets the beat.

I’m not a muso. So this I’d a genuine question.

How can Charlie move around the beat? Isn’t the drummer THE beat? WHAT the drummer plays, whether it’s slowly, or too fast, or “right”, isn’t THAT the beat? How can Charlie have moved around the beat?

Because a drummer can not only play to fast or too slow, but he can also play with the timing of the beat. He can place the snare right before or after the beat, and the same with the kickdrum -Charlie was great in slowing down within the four beats, and then accelerating with a drum roll (JJF in Brussels) or with his kick (JJF on Ya-Yas's) to get back to the 'on the beat'. And with playing around with the volume and intensity you can create tension, or what is called 'groove', enhanced by skipping beats or bars.

What made Charlie so great is also a bit of a mystery -when he played a straight 4-to-the-floor without anything really happening, it still had a groove, it still wobbled and danced. Take She's So Cold for example -nothing really happening with the drums, but it still grooves like crazy.

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So then how would you describe this magnificent piece of drumming on Monkey Man:

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Drummer here.

Steve Jordan is a great drummer and plays Charlie's parts very true to Charlie's style, and when not, more true to the original sound, such as during It's Only Rock and Roll. I don't think you can judge the sound of Steve's snare based on the YouTube recordings that are shared online. Steve's signature sound (listen to the Winos recordings, both studio and live), is VERY rim heavy and snappy.

We all love Charlie, but truth be told, he was kind of famously lazy as a drummer, for better or for worse. Steve is a different guy, a different drummer, but one who respects Charlie and Charlie's style tremendously.

My humblest opinion: Steve's playing keeps the band sounding tighter than they've sounded in eons. Charlie was lovely and obviously part of the signature Stones sound, but he had a tendency to drag, and occasionally flub. Keith also occasionally flubs. And when they both flub, we get those lovely colossal trainwrecks that occasionally make their way onto the internets for us to gawk over. Everybody misses Charlie, but my guess is the band is quite happy with Steve.

I disagree, I think the band sounds very Vegas. There's no spark, it sounds more like a lounge act. Even The Who was smart enough to bring on Simon Townshend crank to out more power.

Sicilian, it looks like you missed the point. And - the Stones were already a Vegas act 20 years ago - Steve Jordan has tightened things up.

Besides, saying Vegas now is equal to "this ain't my first rodeo" - extremely weak and very telling: these days nobody plays in Vegas unless they're good, very good, or, you know, great.

It's a whole new thang now.

And people that say "this ain't my first rodeo" are not to be taken seriously.

Tightened up how exactly? Define tightened.

A bit more steady. Charlie moved around the beat, Steve sets the beat.

I’m not a muso. So this I’d a genuine question.

How can Charlie move around the beat? Isn’t the drummer THE beat? WHAT the drummer plays, whether it’s slowly, or too fast, or “right”, isn’t THAT the beat? How can Charlie have moved around the beat?

Because a drummer can not only play to fast or too slow, but he can also play with the timing of the beat. He can place the snare right before or after the beat, and the same with the kickdrum -Charlie was great in slowing down within the four beats, and then accelerating with a drum roll (JJF in Brussels) or with his kick (JJF on Ya-Yas's) to get back to the 'on the beat'. And with playing around with the volume and intensity you can create tension, or what is called 'groove', enhanced by skipping beats or bars.

What made Charlie so great is also a bit of a mystery -when he played a straight 4-to-the-floor without anything really happening, it still had a groove, it still wobbled and danced. Take She's So Cold for example -nothing really happening with the drums, but it still grooves like crazy.

Mathijs

Mathijs

So then how would you describe this magnificent piece of drumming on Monkey Man:

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RS stadium concerts have a lot of technology, how fast SMU has to be played, Steve doesn't decide, but it's a very specific choice of the band, which is made beforehand and they usually play on a click track.

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RS stadium concerts have a lot of technology, how fast SMU has to be played, Steve doesn't decide, but it's a very specific choice of the band, which is made beforehand and they usually play on a click track.

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RS stadium concerts have a lot of technology, how fast SMU has to be played, Steve doesn't decide, but it's a very specific choice of the band, which is made beforehand and they usually play on a click track.

Nope. No click track has ever been used on stage. They only used pre-recorded music like on Sympathy.

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RS stadium concerts have a lot of technology, how fast SMU has to be played, Steve doesn't decide, but it's a very specific choice of the band, which is made beforehand and they usually play on a click track.

Nope. No click track has ever been used on stage. They only used pre-recorded music like on Sympathy.

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Chuck has blinking light on the songs he count in.

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RS stadium concerts have a lot of technology, how fast SMU has to be played, Steve doesn't decide, but it's a very specific choice of the band, which is made beforehand and they usually play on a click track.

Nope. No click track has ever been used on stage. They only used pre-recorded music like on Sympathy.

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Chuck has blinking light on the songs he count in.

Without a doubt he has all the tempi programmed to count in, but the band does not play to a click track.

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RS stadium concerts have a lot of technology, how fast SMU has to be played, Steve doesn't decide, but it's a very specific choice of the band, which is made beforehand and they usually play on a click track.

Nope. No click track has ever been used on stage. They only used pre-recorded music like on Sympathy.

Mathijs

Chuck has blinking light on the songs he count in.

I don't know, but I wouldn't be so sure, it's a way to sync videos and effects and to have the text synced.
However I'm watching No Security San Jose and Charlie only plays in some songs on the edge of the snare drum, so much so that you can also clearly see how worn his snare drum is in the center. So it's a technique that he doesn't always use, but only on some songs.


Without a doubt he has all the tempi programmed to count in, but the band does not play to a click track.

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