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Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: stonesman87 ()
Date: October 24, 2023 07:07

I'm sure I wouldn't be the first person to think that Get Close has an element of Slave in it. Continuing my suggestion that HD is uniquely like a Stones (and solo!) "greatest sounds" album, who would like to add to this small start:

1.Get Close - some Slave and, after listening to it for about the fifth time, I even got a bit of Too Much Blood (let's see who else can pick up on that).

2.Depending On You - I get a sense of some MJ Evening Gown in that one.

3.Bite My Head Off - can I suggest there's a sound (and/or technique) like Hold Onto Your Hat at least at the start?

4.Dreamy Skies - channels Sweet Virginia.

5.Driving Me Too Hard - it's already been mentioned that the start evokes thoughts of Tumbling Dice.

6.Tell Me Straight - has elements of any number of Keef's own contributions in previous releases. I think it's his best one yet.

I'm sure lots of IORRers will be champing at the bit to add to this list.

Make no mistake (pun intended), this post is not criticim, it's high praise for a unique approach. Anybody and everybody, add your thoughts. It would be very interesting to read how many other "greatest sounds" are recognized in this album.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: shawnriffhard1 ()
Date: October 24, 2023 08:21

Love this kind of musical treasure map search! I had a bit of difficulty with Dreamy Skies because of the Short and Curlies echoes. Really like the tune overall though, and it has become less distracting the more I listen to it.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: stonesman87 ()
Date: October 24, 2023 08:30

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Love this kind of musical treasure map search! I had a bit of difficulty with Dreamy Skies because of the Short and Curlies echoes. Really like the tune overall though, and it has become less distracting the more I listen to it.

Great. I decalre that anything goes with this topic. Therefore how about Brown Sugar influencing/prompting the sax solo in Get Close?

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: MonkeyMan2000 ()
Date: October 24, 2023 09:26

Get Close is like a mixture of Slave and Can't You Hear Me Knocking to my ears.

Live By The Sword has a lot of elements from "Let Me Go" type of songs.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Date: October 24, 2023 10:53

Most of all, Get Close has the melody of Too Far Gone in the verses (a blueprint in the very first verse).

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: October 24, 2023 10:55

This is an interesting thread..and prompts me to mention something I'd thought of bringing up before.

With this album, many folks have mentioned similarities with various tracks on earlier albums.

Whether it be snippet of a melody, a pattern of phrasing, a chord progression in the bridge or just a general air about the song.

It's interesting because, in one of the interviews covered in these pages, Mick Talks about having in the past junked and rejected songs just because they sounded a little bit too much like this or that other number .

He then says how they hadn't worried so much about that stuff this time and hadn't overthought things.

So that's maybe contributed to our having noticed a few resemblances between some of the good songs on HD and some earlier songs...

...and it may be that some of these really good new songs might previously not have seen the light of day.

[Thinking about it...there's quite a lot of evidence for this in some of the unreleased stuff that's been in circulation down the years. ]

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Date: October 24, 2023 10:58

<4.Dreamy Skies - channels Sweet Virginia>

I can't hear that. However, I hear Short And Curlies (Can't get away from it all/Gotta take a break from it all).

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: October 24, 2023 11:14

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stonesman87
I'm sure I wouldn't be the first person to think that Get Close has an element of Slave in it. Continuing my suggestion that HD is uniquely like a Stones (and solo!) "greatest sounds" album, who would like to add to this small start:

1.Get Close - some Slave and, after listening to it for about the fifth time, I even got a bit of Too Much Blood (let's see who else can pick up on that).

...

I must be missing something here, or my headphones are faulty or my ears have gone mad. I hear people comparing Get Close to Slave all the time. Slave has a fantastic riff, the song is basically an improvised jam on top of that groovy riff.
I don't hear any riff in Get Close. It's a pop-song, verse-chorus-verse etc... The guitars bang some basic chords and, of course, there's the inevitable bridge. Like it or not, but I don't hear the resemblance to Slave at all.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: October 24, 2023 11:18

"Live By The Sword" reminds me of this cover of "Get It On" by Powerstation: [www.youtube.com]
(Skip the first 30 seconds)

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: Jalfstra ()
Date: October 24, 2023 11:25

The most comparisons I've read so fare are a bit far-fetched in my ears. But there's definately some 'Too far Gone' in Get Close. The melody-line of the verse is pretty similar. And when I heard Dreamy Skies for the first time, I inmediately thought of Shorts of Curlies because of the 'Get away from it all' sentence and the melody of it. And Driving too hard has a Locked Away ring to it.

Other songs are maybe in the same genre, or the same instruments were used, but Get Close has nothing to do with Brown Sugar except for the use of a Sax and Mess it Up is no Miss You either.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Date: October 24, 2023 11:31

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matxil
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stonesman87
I'm sure I wouldn't be the first person to think that Get Close has an element of Slave in it. Continuing my suggestion that HD is uniquely like a Stones (and solo!) "greatest sounds" album, who would like to add to this small start:

1.Get Close - some Slave and, after listening to it for about the fifth time, I even got a bit of Too Much Blood (let's see who else can pick up on that).

...

I must be missing something here, or my headphones are faulty or my ears have gone mad. I hear people comparing Get Close to Slave all the time. Slave has a fantastic riff, the song is basically an improvised jam on top of that groovy riff.
I don't hear any riff in Get Close. It's a pop-song, verse-chorus-verse etc... The guitars bang some basic chords and, of course, there's the inevitable bridge. Like it or not, but I don't hear the resemblance to Slave at all.

Yep, the drum groove smiling smiley

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: October 24, 2023 11:39

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matxil
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stonesman87
I'm sure I wouldn't be the first person to think that Get Close has an element of Slave in it. Continuing my suggestion that HD is uniquely like a Stones (and solo!) "greatest sounds" album, who would like to add to this small start:

1.Get Close - some Slave and, after listening to it for about the fifth time, I even got a bit of Too Much Blood (let's see who else can pick up on that).

...

I must be missing something here, or my headphones are faulty or my ears have gone mad. I hear people comparing Get Close to Slave all the time. Slave has a fantastic riff, the song is basically an improvised jam on top of that groovy riff.
I don't hear any riff in Get Close. It's a pop-song, verse-chorus-verse etc... The guitars bang some basic chords and, of course, there's the inevitable bridge. Like it or not, but I don't hear the resemblance to Slave at all.

Yep, the drum groove smiling smiley

Ah, okay..., fair enough. For me, the first thing I think of when I think of Slave is the guitar riff, and next the ad-libbing of Mick Jagger. But I suppose one could play the Slave guitar riff on top of the drums of Get Close if one would be so inclined.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: MonkeyMan2000 ()
Date: October 24, 2023 11:56

The riff in Get Glose has a very similar rhythmic pattern to Slave. But I get you, it's a less developed idea compared to the Slave riff. But I think it works well and it's certainly something which Keith can still play with force and presence live.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: josepi ()
Date: October 24, 2023 12:23

Angry - Start Me Up
Get Close - Casino Boogie, Hip Shake
Depending On You - Backstreet Girl, Indian Girl, Salt of the Earth
Bite My Head Off - Neighbors, Luxury, Summer Romance, Whip, Lies
Whole Wide World - Fingerprint File, Street Fighting Man, Shattered
Dreamy Skies - Far Away Eyes, Dear Doctor, You Got the Silver, Rooster
Mess It Up - Miss You, ER, Had It With You, Brand New Car, Soul Survivor (coda)
Live By the Sword - Where the Boys Go, Look What the Cat Dragged In, Dance Little Sister
Driving Me Too Hard - Tumbling Dice, Sway, Let it Bleed, Time Waits For No One
Tell Me Straight - Thru and Thru, Thief in the Night, Slipping Away
Sweet Sounds of Heaven - I Got the Blues, Let it Loose
Rolling Stone Blues - You Gotta Move, Prodigal Son

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: john lomax ()
Date: October 24, 2023 12:25

Ok I will have a go at this....


1. Get Close - sort of a mix of Slave and Can't you Hear Me Knocking

2. Depending on You - I get some bits of Wild Horses (but not much)

3. Bite My Head Off - I get Lies vibes from this

4. Whole Wide World - Maybe She's so Cold (the guitars) or Let Me Go? Or Where the Boys all Go?

5. Dreamy Skies- I get a bit of You Got the Silver on this (the more recent live versions with Ronnie and Keith on acoustic)

6. Mess it Up - Not really like anything, maybe Too Much Blood or Undercover? It sounds early 80s to me

7. Live by the Sword - TO me this is either Where the Boys all Go or its like a B-side from the Voodoo Lounge era - eg Jump on Top of Me


8. Driving Me too hard - Yes the opening riff is like Tumbling Dice but the rest of it - sounds like a Keith song from Crosseyed Heart

9. Tell Me Straight - to me this combines Slipping Away with Thru and Thru

10. Sweet Sounds of Heaven - I Got the Blues

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: October 24, 2023 12:28

Bite My Head Off seems close to Eazy Sleazy to me.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Date: October 24, 2023 12:40

The «look what you've done to me»-part in Driving Me Too Hard sounds a bit like Suspicious on Crosseyed Heart. And during Keith's solo the song takes a turn towards Always Suffering.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: October 24, 2023 13:05

SSOH has an “I got the blues” vibe.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: marcovandereijk ()
Date: October 24, 2023 13:09

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stonesman87
I'm sure I wouldn't be the first person to think that Get Close has an element of Slave in it.
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I don't hear the resemblance to Slave at all.

Yep, the drum groove smiling smiley

Get Close needs more cowbell!!!

Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: Bjorn ()
Date: October 24, 2023 13:17

Some hilarious choises in this thread. But Get Close - Slave and Can´t you hear me knocking. Obviously! And Short and curlies - Dreamy skies. Absolutely! And Keith´s "look what you done to me"...agree! I don´t wanna dig any further. Like "ah, I definitely hear some As tears go by in Bite my head off! Both DO have an A-chord!"

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Date: October 24, 2023 13:25

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stonesman87
I'm sure I wouldn't be the first person to think that Get Close has an element of Slave in it.
...

I don't hear the resemblance to Slave at all.

Yep, the drum groove smiling smiley

Get Close needs more cowbell!!!

Yeah, the cowbell is missing in the intro smiling smiley It's there before the sax solo, though thumbs up

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: marcovandereijk ()
Date: October 24, 2023 13:49

video: [www.facebook.com]

From 4 Flicks

Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: HouseBoyKnows ()
Date: October 24, 2023 15:09

How about Whole Wide World and Flip the Switch?

HBK

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: franzk ()
Date: October 24, 2023 16:04

Angry - Almost Hear You Sigh (beat) and It Must Be Hell (riff).

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: stonesman87 ()
Date: October 25, 2023 11:47

Uh, it took a long time for the penny to drop (with me, at least). I couldn't put my finger on it, but just this afternoon, it dawned on me .....

If I mentioned "Blame It On The Bossa Nova" in relation to "Angry", would that mean something to anybody? winking smiley

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: guezeg ()
Date: October 25, 2023 15:03

2. Get Close : the riff starts like Slave's and ends like Sway's
6. Dreamy Skyes : rythm and slide reminds me a lot of No Expectations

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Date: October 25, 2023 15:07

Angry - IMO it is obvious, Start Me Up.

Get Close - the main thing I keep hearing is a simplefied "The Ocean" by LZ. That riff, LOL

Depending on U - it has the same sunniness about it like 'Loving Cup". There's a zillion credits for violas and cellos, and what we end up with from the strings could be done on a synth in a couple hours. But IMO a great track.

Bite Head Off - Hold on 2 Hat"

Whole Wide World - Love this track. "The 'dreary skies of London' break down is one of the best moments of the album. IT doesn't remind me of a Stones cut. More of "Sw3eeney Todd"

DReamy Skies' - it's a bit long. I guess it reminds me of 'Ned Kelley'

Mess it Up - fantastic track; sounds like what Jagger wanted 'Shes the Boss' to sound like.

Live by the Sword - all these tracks to me are the best of the album; the middle. This reminds me of "Talkin about you', or 'Mothers Little Helper'. That bass line, the way it slides back into the groove after chorus.

"Driving me too hard' - reminds me of any great Keith song. one of the best cuts on album. The line "and all you had to do was try" is beautiful.

"Tell me Straight" - Thru and Thru; Keith's latest musings on a chord, and it's imperfections.

SSOH - I hate that such a great album builds to this. I just hate it. So therefor it reminbd sme of Chicago or Starship

RS Blues - great! Sounds like that great spooky outtake..(scrolling up) no, no one else mentioned it. What is that song called? "...there's two trains..."

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Date: October 25, 2023 16:08

The guitar right before Mick sings «Well, my mother...» in the last verse takes me right back to Parachute Woman. Brilliant guitar playing.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Posted by: franzk ()
Date: October 26, 2023 00:49

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Angry - IMO it is obvious, Start Me Up.

I tried so hard but haven't found any similarity to Start Me Up. Both songs (and riffs) are completely different.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - let's have a competition
Date: October 26, 2023 23:01

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Angry - IMO it is obvious, Start Me Up.

I tried so hard but haven't found any similarity to Start Me Up. Both songs (and riffs) are completely different.
Yes they are different. SMU is a Keith riff, with subtleties, and spacing. Angry is a pure Jagger riff, very straight and direct., Perfect for the IPhone world.
But I think it's the idea of - big power riff - beat - very basic catch phrase - repeat and repeat again.
There is some documentary on Tube where Henry Rollins talks about "The Power Chord" and it's irresistible force.

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