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Stoneage
So, the logic is: If you don't like it you're allowed to state it once, maybe a couple of times, but if you like it there is no such limit? I get it if people tend to be repetitive though...
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Though I did laugh at CliffReefhards 'Stones trying to imitate Aerosmith' line
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Stoneage
So, the logic is: If you don't like it you're allowed to state it once, maybe a couple of times, but if you like it there is no such limit? I get it if people tend to be repetitive though...
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treaclefingers
I find it interesting that with the start of the tour now less than 2 months out, that there's no album promotion or likely singles still to emerge.
Was that badly timed? I mean there's nothing quite like a new album and a single on the charts while the band is touring it. It's still on the charts (though falling) in places like Germany but in the US/Canada it disappeared long ago.
Could the timing have been better for release?
Or might they have something up their sleeve before the tour kicks off...my head would explode if they dropped something else before April 28 - not that that is likely, but hey, Mick said it was 3/4s done!
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MadMetaphoricalMax
People get in to different songs and albums in a variety of ways, which can be interesting to hear about and identify with, if you are a fan of the band. But when people hate an album, what they have to say about gets boring and repetitive REAL quick. And I've had a lifetime of haters in print or in person telling everyone how much they hate the Rolling Stones. 80s music hacks were the worst...
Though I did laugh at CliffReefhards 'Stones trying to imitate Aerosmith' line, given what cartoonish copycats that band were and are. Hopeless clowns at handling their drugs, for one thing, and now getting sued for sexual assault.
It's got to be the ultimate insult to suggest the Stones are trying to sound like them, one deserving its own Tom & Jerry-style barroom brawl lol - but I did laugh aa lot at that one....
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Stoneage
So, the logic is: If you don't like it you're allowed to state it once, maybe a couple of times, but if you like it there is no such limit? I get it if people tend to be repetitive though...
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People get in to different songs and albums in a variety of ways, which can be interesting to hear about and identify with, if you are a fan of the band. But when people hate an album, what they have to say about gets boring and repetitive REAL quick. And I've had a lifetime of haters in print or in person telling everyone how much they hate the Rolling Stones. 80s music hacks were the worst...
Though I did laugh at CliffReefhards 'Stones trying to imitate Aerosmith' line, given what cartoonish copycats that band were and are. Hopeless clowns at handling their drugs, for one thing, and now getting sued for sexual assault.
It's got to be the ultimate insult to suggest the Stones are trying to sound like them, one deserving its own Tom & Jerry-style barroom brawl lol - but I did laugh aa lot at that one....
But that is my point, the Stones have resorted to imitating the band that imitated them.
Believe me i get plenty of positives from this band, not a week passes where i don't rediscover the brilliant albums and live performances from the archives, it's a healthy obsession, the Stones i believe keep me young and healthy mentally and physically.
Yeah too bad for me i haven't got exited by the albums since Voodoo Lounge, big deal, it's not to say I'm not the fan i once was. You don't judge a person's life on their last few years and it's the same with the Stones.
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On some songs, yes. Bite My Head Off, Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight, Sweet Sounds Of Heaven and Rolling Stone Blues are pretty standard Stones, imo. Get Close, too. That's 8 out of 12 songs. «Incidentally», those are also the «less» produced tracks as well.
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Stoneage
So, the logic is: If you don't like it you're allowed to state it once, maybe a couple of times, but if you like it there is no such limit? I get it if people tend to be repetitive though...
Can't you just be satisfied in not liking something, is it that you have to convince everyone else not to like it too? Is there some sort of "satisfaction" in that? I don't get it and eventually you invite criticism to that "campaign".
To act all shocked that you "can't be sour" on an album is ludicrous. No one is stopping people from posting their opinions. However, others then can also be critical and question why it's necessary to do it over an over. And of course there has been no reason given.
"You hate the album, we hear you. Now unless you have something new to add to the discussion, why not go and find something you do like and revel in that, instead of the constant negativity?".
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On some songs, yes. Bite My Head Off, Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight, Sweet Sounds Of Heaven and Rolling Stone Blues are pretty standard Stones, imo. Get Close, too. That's 8 out of 12 songs. «Incidentally», those are also the «less» produced tracks as well.
I guess this is what I meant when I said it's highly subjective, what one considers "more melodic" or "less melodic". Nothing wrong with melodies either of course.
But I think what made the Stones stand out were songs like Satisfaction, JJF, Sympathy, Start Me Up, Midnight Rambler, or most of Exile, which I would think less melodic than the ones you mentioned and more characterized by "groove". What I used to say when the Stones were compared to the Beatles was: "Sure, the Stones never could have written Hey Jude, and yes, the Beatles might have come up with the chords of Midnight Rambler, but they couldn't have played it like the Stones". (And then it would always make me smile trying to image the Beatles playing it).
But of course, I think we can all agree that trying to imitate their past would be the worst they could have done. So, at least they tried a different angle.
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Doxa
An excellent post, Dandie!
But think of WWW - my favourite song as well - and its catchy, melodic chorus, that sort of decision or idea is not oddity in Stones songs. Even an album that is not so famous for its melodic excellence, UNDERCOVER, has two pretty similar attempts in a rock song: "She Was Hot" and "Too Tough".
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Spud
Let Me Down Slow from ABB was a great "poppy" type number too.
Very underated song for my money.
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When asked about having been a Blues band Mick said himself that the Stones are "..an everything band".
..and part of their greatness is that, most of the time, they're pretty bloody good at most everything.
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When asked about having been a Blues band Mick said himself that the Stones are "..an everything band".
..and part of their greatness is that, most of the time, they're pretty bloody good at most everything.
And when Mick was asked if they had became a disco band (this was when "Emotional Rescue" was following the success of "Miss You"), he answered, "no, we are a blues band"....
- Doxa
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Stoneage
So, the logic is: If you don't like it you're allowed to state it once, maybe a couple of times, but if you like it there is no such limit? I get it if people tend to be repetitive though...
Can't you just be satisfied in not liking something, is it that you have to convince everyone else not to like it too? Is there some sort of "satisfaction" in that? I don't get it and eventually you invite criticism to that "campaign".
To act all shocked that you "can't be sour" on an album is ludicrous. No one is stopping people from posting their opinions. However, others then can also be critical and question why it's necessary to do it over an over. And of course there has been no reason given.
"You hate the album, we hear you. Now unless you have something new to add to the discussion, why not go and find something you do like and revel in that, instead of the constant negativity?".
I posted in February that I hadn’t listened to HD in months and took some spit in the face for it from some angry fans. For me to return in March (and perhaps again in April, May and June etc.) just to remind others that I’m still not listening to HD would be classless and base. I would be inviting more spit..I get that. But I take issue with your use of the word ‘hate.’ I don’t believe anybody on this forum ‘hates’ the new record or the Stones…or even Mick. Yes, there was a certain sense of betrayal after the first few listens, a bitter taste in one’s mouth but it was quickly spat out And that first bite was actually tasty. Am I making any sense?
Let me explain it like this. I remember going through that collection of 50 or so studio outtakes that was released a few years back and really enjoying it. Not that the songs were very good. Oh maybe a handful of the songs could’ve served as decent filler but for the most part one can only applaud the Stones for having the good sense to bury them. Of course that’s not quite true because the songs were ultimately released. Someone obviously felt those songs had value. And they do. But to me it is a very disposable product. You listen to it once, twice, maybe a third time and then throw it in the trash, so to speak.
Now if you actually purchased a hard copy rather than listening to it on YouTube like I did you’re bound to feel differently on this point. But I would wager that few people are listening to those outtakes these days. Figuratively at least those songs are in the dustbin. I certainly haven’t noticed anyone on this board gushing how three years later those outtakes still make them glad to be alive.
HD is no different IMO. I was chuffed to hear the new music but it too is a disposable product. And for my money I’d rather buy their rum than any of their records of the last 30 years. Maybe it’s just the way the music industry has changed or the way I listen to music these days but Sticky Fingers is still on my shelf. That one and a few others are keepers.
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On some songs, yes. Bite My Head Off, Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword, Driving Me Too Hard, Tell Me Straight, Sweet Sounds Of Heaven and Rolling Stone Blues are pretty standard Stones, imo. Get Close, too. That's 8 out of 12 songs. «Incidentally», those are also the «less» produced tracks as well.
I guess this is what I meant when I said it's highly subjective, what one considers "more melodic" or "less melodic". Nothing wrong with melodies either of course.
But I think what made the Stones stand out were songs like Satisfaction, JJF, Sympathy, Start Me Up, Midnight Rambler, or most of Exile, which I would think less melodic than the ones you mentioned and more characterized by "groove". What I used to say when the Stones were compared to the Beatles was: "Sure, the Stones never could have written Hey Jude, and yes, the Beatles might have come up with the chords of Midnight Rambler, but they couldn't have played it like the Stones". (And then it would always make me smile trying to image the Beatles playing it).
But of course, I think we can all agree that trying to imitate their past would be the worst they could have done. So, at least they tried a different angle.
Nothing wrong with melodies, of course. Songs like Paint It, Black, Ruby Tuesday, Moonlight Mile, Shine A Light, 100 Years Ago, Miss You and Anybody Seen My Baby are very melodic, yet still very Stones.
On HD we have songs like Depending On You (yes, it is kinda Aerosmith-ish at times, Riffie! But who mastered that style first?) and Whole Wide World. The latter might be more melodic (and by melodic I mean melodic like most other bands would be - more «normal», so to speak) than we've been used to since the 70s. There are exceptions, of course.
However, that's what I like about the Stones. They tease an apparent pointless groove into a masterpiece, or place a genius melody on top of a wonky-sounding song with an arrangement that nearly falls apart. It still sounds great. Most bands don't dare to do that (for a reason), but that's their style.
WWW could have been The Jonas Brothers (The structure, the phrasing, the bridge and chorus), but it isn't. When the Stones play it, it will never sound anything remotely like them - although it sounds clumsily «modern», because of the production. When a band has obtained a signature sound, they are also freer to play around with different types of music, often with good results.
WWW sounds like it could have been on London Calling (playing-wise), imo, with fifth or sixth generation rock'n'roll hooks and choruses - so sometimes the results of what the Stones do can take unexpected turns.
Needless to say, WWW is my favourite track on HD. First and foremost because it's a good song, but also because of all the above.
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matxil
You're making some interesting points. I might give it another chance.
Also, the fact that HD is an album on which all of the three remaining Stones seem to agree about the songs is certainly something to applaud compared to previous albums, on which there were "Mick-songs" (which Keith probably didn't like) and "Keith-songs" (which Mick probably didn't like).
It saved us from things like sweet neocon or infamy.
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When asked about having been a Blues band Mick said himself that the Stones are "..an everything band".
..and part of their greatness is that, most of the time, they're pretty bloody good at most everything.
And when Mick was asked if they had became a disco band (this was when "Emotional Rescue" was following the success of "Miss You"), he answered, "no, we are a blues band"....
- Doxa
And while Emotional Rescue was a great song if you think about it, when it came out 1980, we're already more or less past the disco era so the timing of its release is a bit off. I do recall it being mocked by my 15 year old friends who were into Back In Black at the time.
EDIT - and yet there they are a year later releasing If I Was A Dancer.
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Yep ,
And subsequently for me an introduction to Country, Soul, Reggae ..
All genres that the teenage Spud would never have investigated were it not for the Stones.
How much great music would I have missed out on!
For that , I've always thanked them...and can forgive them a lot.