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i just got done reading thru about 10 pages of this thread so forgive me for bring this up here

but as it relates to keith playing solos on this record i'm pretty sure he plays at least a few of the fast one (not that i've decided which ones yet mind you) and he is under the right circumstances still very capable of playing fast





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gimme shelter berlin 2:28 - 3:02

if he's able to play like that onstage then in the studio with the ability to try as many times as he likes for as long as he wants (as long as he's done before valentine's day) i'm sure he could play as well or likely better

My sentiments exactly, Keith receives a very negative biased rap on this board, they try to rewrite history and now it goes so far as surmise that Ronnie plays the best/ fast guitar parts on the new album without it being a fact.
Last year Keith really shined on tour and Ronnie to be honest struggled, i get the impression a lot of regular posters, you know the resident trolls, discredit Keith where possible and it's continued through these past 10 pages of this thread.
I find it confusing as Stones fans to constantly take credit away from Keith while pouring praise towards Mick and Ronnie. It's fascinating to be honest, thanks for the clips, when you are actually at the shows the power of Keith still hits you hard when he's in the right mood, he's still inspirational even with those arthritic fingers and I'm sure he Kicked ass on the new album. although the way it's produced sound wise it's difficult to tell who plays what.

If one is not to be able distinguish Keith and Ronnie's way of playing guitar from each other (both have a very idiosyncratic style), I don't know what kind of "fact", beyond one's ears, is needed to prove that it is Mick Jagger, not Keith Richards, who does the lead vocals on, say, "Angry".

Furthermore, like always this is a dick contest for you. If Mick or Ronnie shines, and that is recognized by people, for you that is nothing but putting Keith down. In your world there is only one star that is allowed to shine. Mick and Ronnie are your enemies - the guilty ones taking the spotlight away from Keith - and your purpose here is to tell us how awful those two guys are - something you do in order to "defend" Keith Richards - like he would need any that kind of bullshit to offend his band mates. Keith once said, "I shine when the band shines". I assume, you never got that?

Like I told you before, but you never listen: The Rolling Stones is not The Winos in where there is only one solo star shining. You are a fanatic Keith fan, not a Stones fan. Be once - to use your favourite term - honest and admit it. It would make life easier both for you and for us.

- Doxa

Of course i admit Keith's limitations since 2003, he's a shadow of the performer he once was, Mick is still an incredible performer in comparison, but it's obvious Keith was a forse of nature back in the day, i celebrate the whole history of the Stones, i don't really understand your post and why you feel the need to constantly chime in against me, i can only suggest you try to encourage gruupthink, cancel out posters that don't agree with you.

Oh my... you really do not seem to understand what I and many else try to say. But that's alright - for you The Stones is Keith Richards and since are so obsessed with Keith, you cannot see the whole band in any other way. It is your personal projection of Keith (something that sounds a bit scary because you seem to confuse Keith's thinking with yours) against the rest of the whole world - and that battle happens in the delusional world of fancy, conspiracy theories and alternative facts. Yeah, the latter do not have much group thinking there, since it - thankfully - only exists in your fancy. In there Keith is always bashed and put down, and you are like Don Quixote bravely soldiering there to defend Keith. To praise Mick or Ronnie is in your world a terrible personal offense against your projected Keith Richards that asks action. No a critical word against those two - Ronnie or Mick - is allowed there, the freedom fighter of your fancy says (in more sober world, it is only your constant campaign-like attacks against those two that people are tired of, not a criticism)

About the alternative facts. To go back to your claim that "it goes so far as surmise that Ronnie plays the best/ fast guitar parts on the new album without it being a fact". That seems to indicate that you are actually impressed by Ronnie's playing in the album (who wouldn't?). But you want to confuse the fact by intentionally making it questionable that it is Ronnie. In your mind - maybe this is something you want to believe, and maybe you do - that it is actually Keith doing it - playing the 'fast' stuff out there. Jeez, like Keith's forte or guitar philosophy ever been being 'the fastest gun under the sun'. That sort of thinking, to be honest, sounds like some little boys playing with toys.

If you would pay attention into what Keith actually plays on the album, and not on what he does not or not being so jealous about Ronnie's parts, you would find that what he does is pretty remarkable, fantastic in places. No wonder Mick and Watt have praised how hard Keith worked for the album. For example, if you take his solos out - "Angry", "Driving Me Too Hard" and "Rolling Stone Blues" - all differing dramatically from each other. All damn effective, straight to the point, no bullshitting, showing his unique attitude and rich musical imagination. I would go so far that I think the fresh and novel solos of "Angry" and "Driving Me Too Hard" are among his most distinctive solos ever in their genius-like simplicity and effect. And this is 'just' solos - not that big thing in Keith's remarkable guitar playing. If you don't see that it could be that the projected Keith Richards of your fancy has not much to do with the greatness of real Keith Richards.

Isn't it funny that I have to 'defend' Keith here against the world's biggest Keith fanatic. I feel sorry if he has let you down.


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Why didn't they push the album with a new video? Mess It Up would have been perfect or Get Close.

weird that Mess It Up hasn't even been released...Mick said it was the new single in interviews and even said the date was 10/17 3 days before the album was supposed to be released...it never happened.....infectious little number this Mess It Up!.

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After approx 100 listens, I still can't get enough of. One week I like a certain song and it sticks in my head, a week later another. Maybe not masterpieces, but they are fresh and bright and full of energy. I've mentioned it before, in my 60 years of being a Stones fan, this is the first studio album I like all the songs on. Surely it is unimaginable that Mick's voice can compete. with the 60s. The duo Mick and Keith bring magic when they work together and really feel like it. I have back problems, but with grass cutting my MP3 player on and I no longer feel the pain. I am grateful to the Stones for never stopping. Truly enjoying them in my old age. I turned 76 today, a nicer birthday present just can't be.

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After approx 100 listens, I still can't get enough of. One week I like a certain song and it sticks in my head, a week later another. Maybe not masterpieces, but they are fresh and bright and full of energy. I've mentioned it before, in my 60 years of being a Stones fan, this is the first studio album I like all the songs on. Surely it is unimaginable that Mick's voice can compete. with the 60s. The duo Mick and Keith bring magic when they work together and really feel like it. I have back problems, but with grass cutting my MP3 player on and I no longer feel the pain. I am grateful to the Stones for never stopping. Truly enjoying them in my old age. I turned 76 today, a nicer birthday present just can't be.

I'm glad you enjoy the album so much, that's really great. It is a special release.

And I hope you had a very happy birthday!

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I played the big 4 over the weekend and then listened to HD after a weeks break.
HD is the best album The Stones could have released in 2023 I think… To hear Beggars Banquet and then HD kinda F**ks my head, Hackney Diamonds is an amazing achievement for a band that’s been around this long and so many albums into their career. It sounds urgent and of now in places and there’s ties back to records like Beggars on there also. We’re blessed these guys are still around and HD is one hell of a record for guys their age. I won’t even complain about the single song on there that hasn’t grown on me. This album is to be celebrated and enjoyed not picked apart and compared to the past. It’s The Rolling Stones NOW!

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Why didn't they push the album with a new video? Mess It Up would have been perfect or Get Close.

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Why didn't they push the album with a new video? Mess It Up would have been perfect or Get Close.

What are you on about? Angry is still... a new video! Do they need something every week?!!?

If they'd done 18 remixes, one a week, etc, would you say the same thing?

No.

Unless you didn't like 17 of them.

Get over the need for new every 5 days or whatever you're on about.

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Just as a matter of curiosity, did Bill say something?

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To me this album sounds like a Jagger solo-album with trademark Keith-licks forced into a couple of songs. The one number that really stuck is Keiths half-baked sleepy unfinished Tell me straight. The rest of the album is not exactly bad, just pointless and bland. The production and the sound of Mick’s vocals is not great. Mick sounds like a vocal coach gymnastic over-pronouncing words over a bland middle of the road pop/ Stonsey-chord-progression. The idea of McCartney on a Stones album was exciting and the result is a disappointment. I honestly don’t understand the praise this gets on iorr. Is it because this may be the last album?

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To me this album sounds like a Jagger solo-album with trademark Keith-licks forced into a couple of songs. The one number that really stuck is Keiths half-baked sleepy unfinished Tell me straight. The rest of the album is not exactly bad, just pointless and bland. The production and the sound of Mick’s vocals is not great. Mick sounds like a vocal coach gymnastic over-pronouncing words over a bland middle of the road pop/ Stonsey-chord-progression. The idea of McCartney on a Stones album was exciting and the result is a disappointment. I honestly don’t understand the praise this gets on iorr. Is it because this may be the last album?

On the press conference already they said it won't be the last album, and that they were 3/4 finished with the next one.

Btw, Dreamy Skies, Driving Me Too Hard, Bite My Head Off, Get Close, Live By The Sword, Sweet Sounds Of Heaven and Rolling Stone Blues don't fit your description of the album at all, imo. Are you judging the album too harshly because of the (few) songs that are more slickly produced?

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To me this album sounds like a Jagger solo-album with trademark Keith-licks forced into a couple of songs. The one number that really stuck is Keiths half-baked sleepy unfinished Tell me straight. The rest of the album is not exactly bad, just pointless and bland. The production and the sound of Mick’s vocals is not great. Mick sounds like a vocal coach gymnastic over-pronouncing words over a bland middle of the road pop/ Stonsey-chord-progression. The idea of McCartney on a Stones album was exciting and the result is a disappointment. I honestly don’t understand the praise this gets on iorr. Is it because this may be the last album?

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To me this album sounds like a Jagger solo-album with trademark Keith-licks forced into a couple of songs. The one number that really stuck is Keiths half-baked sleepy unfinished Tell me straight. The rest of the album is not exactly bad, just pointless and bland. The production and the sound of Mick’s vocals is not great. Mick sounds like a vocal coach gymnastic over-pronouncing words over a bland middle of the road pop/ Stonsey-chord-progression. The idea of McCartney on a Stones album was exciting and the result is a disappointment. I honestly don’t understand the praise this gets on iorr. Is it because this may be the last album?

On the press conference already they said it won't be the last album, and that they were 3/4 finished with the next one.

Btw, Dreamy Skies, Driving Me Too Hard, Bite My Head Off, Get Close, Live By The Sword, Sweet Sounds Of Heaven and Rolling Stone Blues don't fit your description of the album at all, imo. Are you judging the album too harshly because of the (few) songs that are more slickly produced?

I hope they release more songs! I think my problem with the album is Mick’s vocals. I’m not sure why but maybe it’s the mix, his ”modern day” vocal style or the overall feeling of an overdubbed vocal track. I don’t know yet. The songs are what they are, I hoped for something better but they’re alright I guess. I really like Keiths chord progression on Tell me straight but it lacks something. Couldve developed into a modern classic.

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personally...I think that fans that don't like this new record just don't like the STones anymore...and like what they were...which is fine,....be honest about that and move on already....its called BEATING A DEAD HORSE.....

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As much as I love UNDERCOVER I get why reviewers have said HACKNEY DIAMONDS is their best album since SOME GIRLS - it's that full of the big picture of what The Rolling Stones are in regard to the solidness of new.

Mick Jagger solo album done by the Stones my ass. Mick driving the band to do Sympathy For The Devil, or coming up with Brown Sugar... is the same as Mick Jagger solo album done by the Stones then.

That means DIRTY WORK is Keith's first solo album done by the Stones and a Ronnie Wood solo album done by the Stones since he co-writes half the album.

OH MY GOD EMOTIONAL RESCUE is a Ronnie Wood solo album done by the Stones because he co-wrote the opening track. And TATTOO YOU is a Ronnie Wood solo album done by the Stones because he's got 2 co-writes on it! SUCKING IN THE SEVENITES! And UNDERCOVER.

This is out of hand all these solo albums done by the Stones. The last original Rolling Stones album is BETWEEN THE BUTTONS obviously, because after that everything else is a solo album done by the Stones.

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keefriffhards I fully support you on this.
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As much as I love UNDERCOVER I get why reviewers have said HACKNEY DIAMONDS is their best album since SOME GIRLS - it's that full of the big picture of what The Rolling Stones are in regard to the solidness of new.

Mick Jagger solo album done by the Stones my ass. Mick driving the band to do Sympathy For The Devil, or coming up with Brown Sugar... is the same as Mick Jagger solo album done by the Stones then.

That means DIRTY WORK is Keith's first solo album done by the Stones and a Ronnie Wood solo album done by the Stones since he co-writes half the album.

OH MY GOD EMOTIONAL RESCUE is a Ronnie Wood solo album done by the Stones because he co-wrote the opening track. And TATTOO YOU is a Ronnie Wood solo album done by the Stones because he's got 2 co-writes on it! SUCKING IN THE SEVENITES! And UNDERCOVER.

This is out of hand all these solo albums done by the Stones. The last original Rolling Stones album is BETWEEN THE BUTTONS obviously, because after that everything else is a solo album done by the Stones.

LOL.

So I know it's still early days but I think I like HD better than Some Girls, but not necessarily better than Undercover.

I think if I was going back to Exile, I'd rate it as...

Exile
Tattoo You
Undercover
Hackney Diamonds
Some Girls
IORR
Black & Blue
Steel Wheels
etc....

Overall, the new album might even break into the (OVERALL) top 10 for me...I want to think about it for awhile.