What a lot of people miss, imo, is that Darryl‘s playing, especially live, is part of a „professionalisation“ effort since the 90s. He plays basic stuff, a lot of roots in eights. But that‘s why the song doesn‘t turn into a trainwreck as soon as the two guitarists wave to fans or are in the middle of figuring out the next chord

He‘s part of what keeps it together these days and I don‘t think it‘s his choice or a lack of ability to be playing that way. It‘s part of his job to be a rock in the floods, making clear for everyone what‘s happening



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I wouldn't necessarily say 'better', but he is definitely very different to Darryl, and I like the sound a lot. That said, I like Darryl.



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What a lot of people miss, imo, is that Darryl‘s playing, especially live, is part of a „professionalisation“ effort since the 90s. He plays basic stuff, a lot of roots in eights. But that‘s why the song doesn‘t turn into a trainwreck as soon as the two guitarists wave to fans or are in the middle of figuring out the next chord

He‘s part of what keeps it together these days and I don‘t think it‘s his choice or a lack of ability to be playing that way. It‘s part of his job to be a rock in the floods, making clear for everyone what‘s happening

But then why is his playing on studio albums where Keith and Ron aren’t having problems on stage so uninspired

This question cannot be serious. Perhaps rephrased, "Is Andrew Watt better for the Stones, than Darryl Jones?".

I think that's what you may have meant anyway.

OH and on your point about "uninspired bass playing", the majority of ABB was Mick or Keith on bass if memory serves. Not sure about the other albums.

People thinking the band was better with Bill probably has more to do with how the rest of the band was playing at that time than Bill in particular.

I will never allow any kind of statement like the below one as headline in any IORR thread:

"Is Andrew Watt better than Darryl Jones"

The whole point of such a statement is negativity and hate in diguise. If one is better, then the other is worse. Hater hate hate. Forget it.

Bjornulf

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A new interview here : [www.latimes.com]


"Are you planning to make another album with the Stones? I’ve heard there’s lots of good unreleased stuff and other tracks from the “Hackney Diamond” sessions that just need some tweaking.

It’s like Batman; if they [flash] the tongue in the air and I see it, I’m there. All they have to do is ask. You know, the last album [“Hackney Diamonds”] took 18 years to make. So that would leave them close to 100 years old by the time we finished a second one. I’m hoping for a faster timeline. There’s nothing on the books right now, but you know, it definitely has been discussed."

C'mon boys let's go in the studio!!

There are whole threads here discussing how bad Chuck is or how Brian plays terrible at the Rock n Roll Circus.Or that Taylor is better than Wood.Of course Darrylis a better player than Watt.He is technically miles ahead.There are discussions here disparaging Mick’s solo albums, which I happen to really like.There was a topic recently about how Keith is not a great guitarist which of course he is.But saying I like Watt’s bass playing better than Jones.That is not hate.



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What a lot of people miss, imo, is that Darryl‘s playing, especially live, is part of a „professionalisation“ effort since the 90s. He plays basic stuff, a lot of roots in eights. But that‘s why the song doesn‘t turn into a trainwreck as soon as the two guitarists wave to fans or are in the middle of figuring out the next chord

He‘s part of what keeps it together these days and I don‘t think it‘s his choice or a lack of ability to be playing that way. It‘s part of his job to be a rock in the floods, making clear for everyone what‘s happening

Darryl playing „root notes in 8ths“ is a claim that I read many times here on this forum but that doesn’t mean it’s true.

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There are whole threads here discussing how bad Chuck is or how Brian plays terrible at the Rock n Roll Circus.Or that Taylor is better than Wood.Of course Darrylis a better player than Watt.He is technically miles ahead.There are discussions here disparaging Mick’s solo albums, which I happen to really like.There was a topic recently about how Keith is not a great guitarist which of course he is.But saying I like Watt’s bass playing better than Jones.That is not hate.

Please do not play games with me. I am talking about the headline of a thread.

Starting a campaign against what I say, or twisting my words, is not acceptable. This is a thread about Andrew Watt. Not about Mick Taylor. Not about Ronnie Wood. Don't make me angry.

Bjornulf

Great read- thanks for posting! I'm impressed with this guy...

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What a lot of people miss, imo, is that Darryl‘s playing, especially live, is part of a „professionalisation“ effort since the 90s. He plays basic stuff, a lot of roots in eights. But that‘s why the song doesn‘t turn into a trainwreck as soon as the two guitarists wave to fans or are in the middle of figuring out the next chord

He‘s part of what keeps it together these days and I don‘t think it‘s his choice or a lack of ability to be playing that way. It‘s part of his job to be a rock in the floods, making clear for everyone what‘s happening

Darryl playing „root notes in 8ths“ is a claim that I read many times here on this forum but that doesn’t mean it’s true.

It‘s just what I observed. I don‘t mean that he does this exclusively. But for example in a song like Rocks Off he will lean into the root notes of the chords in an eight note pattern more than on the record.


What I wanted to say with my original post: If he was asked to play live like Wyman on the record or to play a Wymanesque bassline on a new record, he could.

You can judge yourself whether he plays a lot of root notes in eights regardless of what is written on this forum



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There are whole threads here discussing how bad Chuck is or how Brian plays terrible at the Rock n Roll Circus.Or that Taylor is better than Wood.Of course Darrylis a better player than Watt.He is technically miles ahead.There are discussions here disparaging Mick’s solo albums, which I happen to really like.There was a topic recently about how Keith is not a great guitarist which of course he is.But saying I like Watt’s bass playing better than Jones.That is not hate.

Wow. Defiant aren't you?

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There are whole threads here discussing how bad Chuck is or how Brian plays terrible at the Rock n Roll Circus.Or that Taylor is better than Wood.Of course Darrylis a better player than Watt.He is technically miles ahead.There are discussions here disparaging Mick’s solo albums, which I happen to really like.There was a topic recently about how Keith is not a great guitarist which of course he is.But saying I like Watt’s bass playing better than Jones.That is not hate.

Wow. Defiant aren't you?

The bass is not really good on this album, it doesn´t move at all, except for the Bill track and Angry. It is just a flat booming sound.



This Andrew Watt is Don Atari from Zoolander 2. Annoying.

I reckon if the credits weren’t on the album covers nobody would bloody know who was playing bass.

Rod

It seems that Andrew Watt made it possible for the stones to finish and release the record. His youth, his enthousiasm, his deep knowledge of the stones's music, his high energy, and his work commitment must have created something that inspired and unlocked the stones; not a small achievement.

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I reckon if the credits weren’t on the album covers nobody would bloody know who was playing bass.

Ronnie's playing sticks out - he plays like a centipede.

Andrew did amazing at getting old Stones members fired up and create something special. The songs are rhythmically less organic and more rehearsed which is why they sound so good. That with modern production and layers of guitars, possibly too many. Was smart to limit Keith to mostly rhythm and let Ronnie shine on solos. As for bass, Andrew is fine. Live By The Sword really showed how Bill is missed for me. Organic, changing as the song moves along and interesting. Few play like him.

Hopefully the next album has less "autotune" on it.

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There are whole threads here discussing how bad Chuck is or how Brian plays terrible at the Rock n Roll Circus.Or that Taylor is better than Wood.Of course Darrylis a better player than Watt.He is technically miles ahead.There are discussions here disparaging Mick’s solo albums, which I happen to really like.There was a topic recently about how Keith is not a great guitarist which of course he is.But saying I like Watt’s bass playing better than Jones.That is not hate.

Please do not play games with me. I am talking about the headline of a thread.

Starting a campaign against what I say, or twisting my words, is not acceptable. This is a thread about Andrew Watt. Not about Mick Taylor. Not about Ronnie Wood. Don't make me angry.

Hm.

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There are whole threads here discussing how bad Chuck is or how Brian plays terrible at the Rock n Roll Circus.Or that Taylor is better than Wood.Of course Darrylis a better player than Watt.He is technically miles ahead.There are discussions here disparaging Mick’s solo albums, which I happen to really like.There was a topic recently about how Keith is not a great guitarist which of course he is.But saying I like Watt’s bass playing better than Jones.That is not hate.

Wow. Defiant aren't you?

The bass is not really good on this album, it doesn´t move at all, except for the Bill track and Angry. It is just a flat booming sound.



This Andrew Watt is Don Atari from Zoolander 2. Annoying.

That's not what I'm hearing on Mess It Up, Get Close and Whole Wide World.

is andrew in the studio with the stones??
that a question..

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is andrew in the studio with the stones??
that a question..

not only with the Stones, playing their instruments too...

Terrific album, with some great songs like Whole Wide World, Sweet Sounds of Heaven, Tell Me Straight.The rest is really good.Mick and Keith have an incredible library of songs from As Tears Go By until today.

Here is a list of albums produced by Watt




A
Jordi (album)
The First Time (The Kid Laroi album)
Austin (album)
B
Beerbongs & Bentleys
Bonfire of Teenagers
Brightest Blue
C
Calm (album)
Charli (album)
D
Dark Matter (Pearl Jam album)
Death Race for Love
The Diamond Collection
E
Earthling (Eddie Vedder album)
= (album)
Every Loser
Éxodo
F
Fifty Shades Freed (soundtrack)
Future Nostalgia
H
Hackney Diamonds
Hollywood's Bleeding
I
Invasion of Privacy (album)
J
Justice (Justin Bieber album)
L
LP1 (Liam Payne album)
M
Mayhem (Lady Gaga album)
N
Nine (Blink-182 album)
Norman @#$%& Rockwell!
O
Ordinary Man (Ozzy Osbourne album)
P
Patient Number 9
Phoenix (Rita Ora album)
Plastic Hearts
Punk (Young Thug album)
Purpose (Justin Bieber album)
R
Rare (Selena Gomez album)
Romance (Camila Cabello album)
S
Saturday Night, Sunday Morning (Jake Bugg album)
Shawn Mendes (album)
Stoney (album)
T
Twelve Carat Toothache
W
Walls (Louis Tomlinson album)
Who Believes in Angels?
World War Joy
Y
Youngblood (5 Seconds of Summer album)

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is andrew in the studio with the stones??
that a question..

not only with the Stones, playing their instruments too...

Is this, like, NOW, or a pic from the studio sessions that gave us Hackney Diamonds. I’d like it to be now, but… ????

Rod

Funny the song that Elton plays on I can hardly hear his piano, I'd prefer Don Was producing as I think Hackney is too slick a production for the Stones. Watt is overrated imho.

pool's in but the patio ain't dry

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I reckon if the credits weren’t on the album covers nobody would bloody know who was playing bass.

Perhaps we wouldn't know who, but could certainly notice that it's a big improvement on the last several albums. The melodically inspired and rhythmically interesting bass has always been a feature of the best of the Stones, and it is great to hear something of a return to that on HD.

I think many people vastly underestimate the significance of the bass in music.

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is andrew in the studio with the stones??
that a question..

not only with the Stones, playing their instruments too...

Is this, like, NOW, or a pic from the studio sessions that gave us Hackney Diamonds. I’d like it to be now, but… ????

That's an old pic, unfortunately.

ROCKMAN