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dmay
What I don't get is Wenner dismissing women and people of color (oh my, I just used possibly a forbidden term) in being music leaders and shapers.
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matxil
It's always the same with the "anti-woke" crowd. They don't have a problem with Wenner excluding women or people of color. They don't have a problem with him making nasty comments about them. You might say that Wenner himself is guilty of cancelling a considerable amount of artists. But you won't hear them about that.
But when some people protest this. When people don't like it. When people put some distance between themselves and a guy who makes nasty statements, all of a sudden they draw the "freedom of speech" card (although Wenner still has full liberty to say whatever he want), and start whining about "woke" and "cancelling" and whatnot. Boohoo, cry me river.
There was a time one could not sing "spend the night together" on t.v. This is possible now. In fact, people can say more now than ever before. But it works both ways: people can say nasty stuff and other people can say what they think about that. And some people can learn their lesson and try say less horrible stuff. Terrible, isn't it?
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rollmops
I don't know why Jann ommitted Chuck Berry. Chuck influenced all the rockers that made the cover of Rolling Stone mag. Chuck was very intelligent and articulate.
Chuck is The Man as far as Rock and roll is concerned.
Rockandroll,
Mops
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matxil
It's always the same with the "anti-woke" crowd. They don't have a problem with Wenner excluding women or people of color. They don't have a problem with him making nasty comments about them. You might say that Wenner himself is guilty of cancelling a considerable amount of artists. But you won't hear them about that.
But when some people protest this. When people don't like it. When people put some distance between themselves and a guy who makes nasty statements, all of a sudden they draw the "freedom of speech" card (although Wenner still has full liberty to say whatever he want), and start whining about "woke" and "cancelling" and whatnot. Boohoo, cry me river.
There was a time one could not sing "spend the night together" on t.v. This is possible now. In fact, people can say more now than ever before. But it works both ways: people can say nasty stuff and other people can say what they think about that. And some people can learn their lesson and try say less horrible stuff. Terrible, isn't it?
Did he say it was as because they were black or women?
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matxil
It's always the same with the "anti-woke" crowd. They don't have a problem with Wenner excluding women or people of color. They don't have a problem with him making nasty comments about them. You might say that Wenner himself is guilty of cancelling a considerable amount of artists. But you won't hear them about that.
But when some people protest this. When people don't like it. When people put some distance between themselves and a guy who makes nasty statements, all of a sudden they draw the "freedom of speech" card (although Wenner still has full liberty to say whatever he want), and start whining about "woke" and "cancelling" and whatnot. Boohoo, cry me river.
There was a time one could not sing "spend the night together" on t.v. This is possible now. In fact, people can say more now than ever before. But it works both ways: people can say nasty stuff and other people can say what they think about that. And some people can learn their lesson and try say less horrible stuff. Terrible, isn't it?
Did he say it was as because they were black or women?
Not explicitly, but he said that these women and Black artists aren't as articulate as the white males he interviewed. If you don't see that as problematic, I don't know what to tell you...
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Asked why he didn’t interview women or Black musicians, Wenner responded: “It’s not that they’re inarticulate, although, go have a deep conversation with Grace Slick or Janis Joplin. Please, be my guest. You know, Joni (Mitchell) was not a philosopher of rock ’n’ roll. She didn’t, in my mind, meet that test,” he told the Times.
“Of Black artists — you know, Stevie Wonder, genius, right? I suppose when you use a word as broad as ‘masters,’ the fault is using that word. Maybe Marvin Gaye, or Curtis Mayfield? I mean, they just didn’t articulate at that level,” Wenner said.
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matxil
It's always the same with the "anti-woke" crowd. They don't have a problem with Wenner excluding women or people of color. They don't have a problem with him making nasty comments about them. You might say that Wenner himself is guilty of cancelling a considerable amount of artists. But you won't hear them about that.
But when some people protest this. When people don't like it. When people put some distance between themselves and a guy who makes nasty statements, all of a sudden they draw the "freedom of speech" card (although Wenner still has full liberty to say whatever he want), and start whining about "woke" and "cancelling" and whatnot. Boohoo, cry me river.
There was a time one could not sing "spend the night together" on t.v. This is possible now. In fact, people can say more now than ever before. But it works both ways: people can say nasty stuff and other people can say what they think about that. And some people can learn their lesson and try say less horrible stuff. Terrible, isn't it?
Did he say it was as because they were black or women?
Not explicitly, but he said that these women and Black artists aren't as articulate as the white males he interviewed. If you don't see that as problematic, I don't know what to tell you...
From AP:
Asked why he didn’t interview women or Black musicians, Wenner responded: “It’s not that they’re inarticulate, although, go have a deep conversation with Grace Slick or Janis Joplin. Please, be my guest. You know, Joni (Mitchell) was not a philosopher of rock ’n’ roll. She didn’t, in my mind, meet that test,” he told the Times.
“Of Black artists — you know, Stevie Wonder, genius, right? I suppose when you use a word as broad as ‘masters,’ the fault is using that word. Maybe Marvin Gaye, or Curtis Mayfield? I mean, they just didn’t articulate at that level,” Wenner said.
So he didn’t say it was because of their race or gender. This is just one more case of everything to happens to a women or black person being racist and sexist.
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matxil
It's always the same with the "anti-woke" crowd. They don't have a problem with Wenner excluding women or people of color. They don't have a problem with him making nasty comments about them. You might say that Wenner himself is guilty of cancelling a considerable amount of artists. But you won't hear them about that.
But when some people protest this. When people don't like it. When people put some distance between themselves and a guy who makes nasty statements, all of a sudden they draw the "freedom of speech" card (although Wenner still has full liberty to say whatever he want), and start whining about "woke" and "cancelling" and whatnot. Boohoo, cry me river.
There was a time one could not sing "spend the night together" on t.v. This is possible now. In fact, people can say more now than ever before. But it works both ways: people can say nasty stuff and other people can say what they think about that. And some people can learn their lesson and try say less horrible stuff. Terrible, isn't it?
Did he say it was as because they were black or women?
Not explicitly, but he said that these women and Black artists aren't as articulate as the white males he interviewed. If you don't see that as problematic, I don't know what to tell you...
From AP:
Asked why he didn’t interview women or Black musicians, Wenner responded: “It’s not that they’re inarticulate, although, go have a deep conversation with Grace Slick or Janis Joplin. Please, be my guest. You know, Joni (Mitchell) was not a philosopher of rock ’n’ roll. She didn’t, in my mind, meet that test,” he told the Times.
“Of Black artists — you know, Stevie Wonder, genius, right? I suppose when you use a word as broad as ‘masters,’ the fault is using that word. Maybe Marvin Gaye, or Curtis Mayfield? I mean, they just didn’t articulate at that level,” Wenner said.
So he didn’t say it was because of their race or gender. This is just one more case of everything to happens to a women or black person being racist and sexist.
...or another case of ignoring the signs of sexism and racism. Depends on how you look at it.
Do you have a problem with what he said, or not? I see you dodged that part of my comment.
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rollmops
I don't know why Jann ommitted Chuck Berry. Chuck influenced all the rockers that made the cover of Rolling Stone mag. Chuck was very intelligent and articulate.
Chuck is The Man as far as Rock and roll is concerned.
Rockandroll,
Mops
No he wasn’t. His songs were simplistic music fair the body not the mind.
He is one of my favorite artists but not very complicated.
Why are you not asking why Tom Watts, McCartney, and Simon were xckuded?
I don't agree with you. Chuck Berry is a major contributor the rockandroll music in every category. Some of his songs have a simple musical structure but simplicity is not a flaw. Tom Waits, Mc Cartney , Paul Simon are great but musically they owe to Chuck Berry. John Lennon said it best that if rock and roll had to be renamed it would be Chuck Berry.Quote
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rollmops
I don't know why Jann ommitted Chuck Berry. Chuck influenced all the rockers that made the cover of Rolling Stone mag. Chuck was very intelligent and articulate.
Chuck is The Man as far as Rock and roll is concerned.
Rockandroll,
Mops
No he wasn’t. His songs were simplistic music fair the body not the mind.
He is one of my favorite artists but not very complicated.
Why are you not asking why Tom Watts, McCartney, and Simon were xckuded?
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NashvilleBlues
I get racist/sexist vibes from what he said, if you don't, that's fair.
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NashvilleBlues
I get racist/sexist vibes from what he said, if you don't, that's fair.
It could or could not be racist or sexist. In todays world if something could be racist it sexist then it must be racist or sexist. This is just one more example of it.
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I get racist/sexist vibes from what he said, if you don't, that's fair.
It could or could not be racist or sexist. In todays world if something could be racist it sexist than it must be racist or sexist. This is just one more example of it.