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Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 12, 2023 20:27

I found someday an article about Michael Jackson’s trademark singing.

It said Jackson was much inspired by James Brown’s pattern: starting the verse right on the first beat à la Sex Machine (Get up ! etc.). Listen for instance to Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground) and Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough of which verse start also right on the beat 1.
Author explained that way, the piece sounds more dancing.
By contrast, other soul artists start the verses after the beat 1, and quite often in an un-even way between two beats, which gives a laid-back feel.

So I did try a sort of quizz for the Stones’ songs
It seems the verses starting the beat 1 are quite rare , and belong to the first area of their songwriting.
Here what I found (Surely, there are some others)
¬ Get Off My Cloud (on 1st)
- Have you had another, baby, standing in the shadow? (on 1st)
- Sympathy For The Devil (on 1st)

I could’nt find the original article, but here is another on that topic:
Do not start on the Downbeat
« Many super catchy melodies do not even start on an even (sorry did it again) downbeat in the first place. »
[www.productionmusiclive.com]



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2023-03-15 11:44 by The Joker.

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: Fillmore ()
Date: March 12, 2023 22:02

Does „She was hot“ fit in here?

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 12, 2023 22:23

Quote
Fillmore
Does „She was hot“ fit in here?


No, I dont think so.
Although it starts right on a downbeat, it's the beat 3, not the beat 1. But yes,I think it'quite rare to start the singing on the beat 3.

See the music sheet, with the verse starting on the beat 3 of the fifth bar.

[freshsheetmusic.com]

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Date: March 12, 2023 23:01

Down In The Hole.

Actually, it starts before the beat. Same with GOOMC.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-03-12 23:02 by DandelionPowderman.

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: March 12, 2023 23:17

Quote
The Joker
I found someday an article about Michael Jackson’s trademark singing.

It said Jackson was much inspired by James Brown’s pattern: starting the verse right on the first beat à la Sex Machine (Get up ! etc.). Listen for instance to Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground) and Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough of which verse start also right on the beat 1.
Author explained that way, the piece sounds more dancing.
By contrast, other soul artists start the verses after the beat 1, and quite often in an un-even way between two beats, which gives a laid-back feel.

So I did try a sort of quizz for the Stones’ songs
It seems the verses starting the beat 1 are quite rare , and belong to the first area of their songwriting.
Here what I found (Surely, there are some others)
¬ Get Off My Cloud (on 1st)
- Have you had another, baby, standing in the shadow? (on 1st)
- Sympathy For The Devil (on 1st)

I could’nt find the original article, but here is another on that topic:
Do not start on the Downbeat
« Many super catchy melodies do not even start on an even (sorry did it again) downbeat in the first place. »
[www.productionmusiclive.com]

Get Off Of My Cloud starts on the upbeat of the 4 not the 1

Ruby Tuesday is on the 1.

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 12, 2023 23:17

Quote
Fillmore
Does „She was hot“ fit in here?

If I count correct, the drumming is also atypical in the intro, and adds to the confusion.
Charlie hits the snare drum on the beat 1 of the bar 2, 3 and 4 with Bill who plays straight.
It's quite bizarre, since the snare drum is normaly hit on the upbeats (2 and 4), but in the same time it's a pattern in the mood of the "speedy style" Charlie used in the eighties.

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: mosthigh ()
Date: March 13, 2023 00:29

Neighbours

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 13, 2023 00:33

Get Off Of My Cloud starts on the upbeat of the 4 not the 1

Right.

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: Topi ()
Date: March 13, 2023 11:30

@#$%& Blues? winking smiley

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: DiamondDog7 ()
Date: March 13, 2023 12:51

If You Can't Rock Me


?

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: doitywoik ()
Date: March 13, 2023 13:13

Doesn't Angie start right on the first beat of the measure?

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 13, 2023 13:14

Quote
Topi
@#$%& Blues? winking smiley
Nope, I believe.
Sounds it starts on the upbeat of the 3

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 13, 2023 13:17

Quote
DiamondDog7
If You Can't Rock Me


?

Nope. Start on the upbeat of the 1, aka beween the beat 1 and 2

See

[www.sheetmusicdirect.com]

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 13, 2023 13:22

Quote
mosthigh
Neighbours

YES
We got a winner smileys with beer

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: MegabenAustralia ()
Date: March 13, 2023 13:22

Tie you up (the pain of love) lyrics start right on the ONE

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 13, 2023 13:24

Quote
More Hot Rocks



Ruby Tuesday is on the 1.

YES
We got a winner smileys with beer

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Date: March 13, 2023 13:27

Brown Sugar is on the first beat.

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: Topi ()
Date: March 13, 2023 14:10

Quote
The Joker
Quote
Topi
@#$%& Blues? winking smiley
Nope, I believe.
Sounds it starts on the upbeat of the 3

And here I was thinking @#$%& Blues is the correct answer to every question!

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: March 13, 2023 18:05

Quote
The Joker
Quote
DiamondDog7
If You Can't Rock Me


?

Nope. Start on the upbeat of the 1, aka beween the beat 1 and 2

See

[www.sheetmusicdirect.com]

You're right. I'm starting to think that people can't count.

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: March 13, 2023 18:38

The Storm!

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 13, 2023 18:47

Quote
DandelionPowderman
Brown Sugar is on the first beat.

No eye rolling smiley
"Gold..." starts on the second half of the 4

See the musicsheet.
[www.totalsheetmusic.com]

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: March 13, 2023 18:52

Quote
LeonidP
The Storm!

No. The first word “I” starts on the upbeat of the 4. The other lines are on the 1

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 13, 2023 18:53

Quote
doitywoik
Doesn't Angie start right on the first beat of the measure?

Nope.

I say it starts right on the beat 2

Musicsheet says between beats 2 and 3, but it'not what I hear

[www.musiclassroom.com]

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: March 13, 2023 18:58

Quote
More Hot Rocks
Quote
LeonidP
The Storm!

No. The first word “I” starts on the upbeat of the 4. The other lines are on the 1

Okay, I don't follow the requirements then! Ignorant of "upbeat of the 4"

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: March 13, 2023 19:05

Sing This All Together
Citadel
2000 Man
2000 Light Years From Home



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2023-03-13 19:08 by schillid.

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Date: March 13, 2023 19:35

Quote
The Joker
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Brown Sugar is on the first beat.

No eye rolling smiley
"Gold..." starts on the second half of the 4

See the musicsheet.
[www.totalsheetmusic.com]

I'm hearing Charlie's first hit of the four on «Gold».

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 13, 2023 19:37

Quote
schillid
Sing This All Together
Citadel
2000 Man
2000 Light Years From Home

Citadel smileys with beer

2000 Light Years From Home smileys with beer


Sing This All Together: No
It starts with the chorus, which is a bit unusual. The chorus is right on the beat 1, but the verse, which follows, is between beats 1 and 2

[www.musicnotes.com]

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: March 13, 2023 19:41

Quote
The Joker

Sing This All Together: No
It starts with the chorus, which is a bit unusual.

That's true

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: March 13, 2023 19:44

Quote
DandelionPowderman
Quote
The Joker
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Brown Sugar is on the first beat.

No eye rolling smiley
"Gold..." starts on the second half of the 4

[youtu.be]

See the musicsheet.
[www.totalsheetmusic.com]

I'm hearing Charlie's first hit of the four on «Gold».

I hear different, at least on the studio version, and it was before I had a look at the musicsheet

I hear "Goo.." starting slighly before the 1, then "..old" continues on the 1. It's very light, like a 16th ahead of the beat 1

Re: Stones' verses starting on the first beat
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: March 13, 2023 19:48

Dandelion

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