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I stand corrected! There wasn't news after a quick web search. Very uncharacteristic of NPS.
i find it interesting--have been invited to stay there several times as a journalist - i've stayed in many rooms like this-
Interesting, to say the least!
What is the vibe like in that particular room?
I don't think I could get a good night's sleep there...
According to Robert Greenfield in "Exile On Main Street : A Season in Hell..." once Gram is booted from Nellcote, he and Keith never see each other again.
I remember reading somewhere the Stones heard the Byrds were going on tour and asked Gram why he wasn't heading to meet them and basically said he'd rather hang out there, and they kind of got disillusioned with his work ethic and told him to hit the road.
Wonderful news!
HB - what do you think is accurate re: Wild Horses authorship?
-swiss
That was 1968. Mathijs was asking about 1973 - it's a great question. Greenfield is probably, but not necessarily, correct.
-swiss
Funny, I saw a guitar player in Memphis once that had "a friend of a friend who knew Jackson Brown" (for whatever that's worth) that claimed Jagger/Richards stole it from Parsons who wrote it about Emmylou Harris. He stuck to his story even though I said I don't think he'd even met Emmylou when it was recorded by the Stones.
Yup! Unless Gram was Nostradamus. He first met Emmylou in 1971, two years after WH was written and recorded
Keith convinced him to bow out of The Byrds tour of South Africa because of apartheid. In reality, most think Keith just didn't want him to leave so he could hang out with him!
Gram looks more like Richie Blackmore on the cover of that album!
Keith was pretty busy after Nellcote (kicked out of France, overdubs on Exile in the US, the US tour, moving to Switzerland, recording GHS in Jamaica, the Euro-tour etc.). Then Gram died.
Linda Ronstadt bio 'Simple Dreams: A Musical Memory' states that Keith played 'Wild Horses' (pre Muscle Shoals version) for her and Gram and wanted to record the song herself.
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Re: New marker at Joshua Tree
Posted by:
cyclist
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Date: September 21, 2023 20:43
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hbwriter
uhm... it's an OFFICIAL NPS marker... and they hosted Phil Kaufman at the visitor center to discuss it
I stand corrected! There wasn't news after a quick web search. Very uncharacteristic of NPS.
Re: New marker at Joshua Tree
Posted by:
hbwriter
()
Date: September 21, 2023 21:07
UPDATE: I am in touch with the interpretive sign director -- will update as it develops
Re: New marker at Joshua Tree
Posted by:
hbwriter
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Date: September 21, 2023 21:08
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Pietro
This is a joke, right? The National Forest Service doesn't put up markers to commemorate people like Gram Parsons or celebrity overdoses.
This LA Times article mentions make-shift markers in the park, but that's about all there is. Have you been to Joshua Tree?
[www.latimes.com]
I've been maybe 50 times? have stayed in room 8 about 10
Honest question here, hbw...
Why have you stayed in that room? Personally, I cannot fathom the fascination with death sites. Just curious.
i find it interesting--have been invited to stay there several times as a journalist - i've stayed in many rooms like this-
Re: New marker at Joshua Tree
Posted by:
Kurt
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Date: September 21, 2023 22:03
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hbwriterQuote
KurtQuote
hbwriterQuote
Pietro
This is a joke, right? The National Forest Service doesn't put up markers to commemorate people like Gram Parsons or celebrity overdoses.
This LA Times article mentions make-shift markers in the park, but that's about all there is. Have you been to Joshua Tree?
[www.latimes.com]
I've been maybe 50 times? have stayed in room 8 about 10
Honest question here, hbw...
Why have you stayed in that room? Personally, I cannot fathom the fascination with death sites. Just curious.
i find it interesting--have been invited to stay there several times as a journalist - i've stayed in many rooms like this-
Interesting, to say the least!
What is the vibe like in that particular room?
I don't think I could get a good night's sleep there...
Re: New marker at Joshua Tree
Posted by:
hbwriter
()
Date: September 21, 2023 23:23
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KurtQuote
hbwriterQuote
KurtQuote
hbwriterQuote
Pietro
This is a joke, right? The National Forest Service doesn't put up markers to commemorate people like Gram Parsons or celebrity overdoses.
This LA Times article mentions make-shift markers in the park, but that's about all there is. Have you been to Joshua Tree?
[www.latimes.com]
I've been maybe 50 times? have stayed in room 8 about 10
actually soothing and peaceful--a nice laid back vibe.
Honest question here, hbw...
Why have you stayed in that room? Personally, I cannot fathom the fascination with death sites. Just curious.
i find it interesting--have been invited to stay there several times as a journalist - i've stayed in many rooms like this-
Interesting, to say the least!
What is the vibe like in that particular room?
I don't think I could get a good night's sleep there...
Re: New marker at Joshua Tree
Posted by:
Ross
()
Date: September 23, 2023 03:39
This is the Latest update, but this was several weeks ago. It’s getting pretty close to the end of September when the CD is supposed to be shipped. No word since this.
[www.kickstarter.com]
[www.kickstarter.com]
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: September 25, 2023 14:40
Are there any known pictures of Keith and Gram after Summer of 1971? Gram was kicked out of Nellcote in ~July 1971, and he wasn't very welcome on the 1972 tour so I wonder if they actually met in 1973.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-09-25 15:57 by Mathijs.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-09-25 15:57 by Mathijs.
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
TheBadRabbit
()
Date: September 28, 2023 19:27
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Mathijs
Are there any known pictures of Keith and Gram after Summer of 1971? Gram was kicked out of Nellcote in ~July 1971, and he wasn't very welcome on the 1972 tour so I wonder if they actually met in 1973.
Mathijs
According to Robert Greenfield in "Exile On Main Street : A Season in Hell..." once Gram is booted from Nellcote, he and Keith never see each other again.
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
Ross
()
Date: October 4, 2023 00:16
I just got notice from Kickstarter that the Gram Parsons Live CD will be shipping this week to those who contributed. The Vinyl will ship in November.
Yay!
Yay!
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
kovach
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Date: October 4, 2023 00:34
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TheBadRabbitQuote
Mathijs
Are there any known pictures of Keith and Gram after Summer of 1971? Gram was kicked out of Nellcote in ~July 1971, and he wasn't very welcome on the 1972 tour so I wonder if they actually met in 1973.
Mathijs
According to Robert Greenfield in "Exile On Main Street : A Season in Hell..." once Gram is booted from Nellcote, he and Keith never see each other again.
I remember reading somewhere the Stones heard the Byrds were going on tour and asked Gram why he wasn't heading to meet them and basically said he'd rather hang out there, and they kind of got disillusioned with his work ethic and told him to hit the road.
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
yyclassical
()
Date: October 4, 2023 05:42
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Ross
I just got notice from Kickstarter that the Gram Parsons Live CD will be shipping this week to those who contributed. The Vinyl will ship in November.
Yay!
Wonderful news!
Re: New marker at Joshua Tree
Posted by:
swiss
()
Date: October 4, 2023 09:04
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hbwriter
The bad news is, the marker states unequivocally that the song Wild Horses was written by Parsons and Keith Richards.
I've made park officials aware.
HB - what do you think is accurate re: Wild Horses authorship?
-swiss
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
swiss
()
Date: October 4, 2023 09:10
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kovach
I remember reading somewhere the Stones heard the Byrds were going on tour and asked Gram why he wasn't heading to meet them and basically said he'd rather hang out there, and they kind of got disillusioned with his work ethic and told him to hit the road.
That was 1968. Mathijs was asking about 1973 - it's a great question. Greenfield is probably, but not necessarily, correct.
-swiss
Re: New marker at Joshua Tree
Posted by:
kovach
()
Date: October 4, 2023 15:12
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swissQuote
hbwriter
The bad news is, the marker states unequivocally that the song Wild Horses was written by Parsons and Keith Richards.
I've made park officials aware.
HB - what do you think is accurate re: Wild Horses authorship?
-swiss
Funny, I saw a guitar player in Memphis once that had "a friend of a friend who knew Jackson Brown" (for whatever that's worth) that claimed Jagger/Richards stole it from Parsons who wrote it about Emmylou Harris. He stuck to his story even though I said I don't think he'd even met Emmylou when it was recorded by the Stones.
Re: New marker at Joshua Tree
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 4, 2023 15:32
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kovachQuote
swissQuote
hbwriter
The bad news is, the marker states unequivocally that the song Wild Horses was written by Parsons and Keith Richards.
I've made park officials aware.
HB - what do you think is accurate re: Wild Horses authorship?
-swiss
Funny, I saw a guitar player in Memphis once that had "a friend of a friend who knew Jackson Brown" (for whatever that's worth) that claimed Jagger/Richards stole it from Parsons who wrote it about Emmylou Harris. He stuck to his story even though I said I don't think he'd even met Emmylou when it was recorded by the Stones.
Yup! Unless Gram was Nostradamus. He first met Emmylou in 1971, two years after WH was written and recorded
Re: New marker at Joshua Tree
Posted by:
Ross
()
Date: October 5, 2023 19:02
Link to the update.
[www.kickstarter.com]
[www.kickstarter.com]
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
Ross
()
Date: October 5, 2023 19:14
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kovachQuote
TheBadRabbitQuote
Mathijs
Are there any known pictures of Keith and Gram after Summer of 1971? Gram was kicked out of Nellcote in ~July 1971, and he wasn't very welcome on the 1972 tour so I wonder if they actually met in 1973.
Mathijs
According to Robert Greenfield in "Exile On Main Street : A Season in Hell..." once Gram is booted from Nellcote, he and Keith never see each other again.
I remember reading somewhere the Stones heard the Byrds were going on tour and asked Gram why he wasn't heading to meet them and basically said he'd rather hang out there, and they kind of got disillusioned with his work ethic and told him to hit the road.
Keith convinced him to bow out of The Byrds tour of South Africa because of apartheid. In reality, most think Keith just didn't want him to leave so he could hang out with him!
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
Cristiano Radtke
()
Date: October 6, 2023 00:28
Hear a Stirring Unreleased Live Version of Gram Parsons and the Fallen Angels’ “Love Hurts” from Upcoming LP
[americansongwriter.com]
[americansongwriter.com]
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
Shott
()
Date: October 6, 2023 02:45
I have a bootleg from the concert they did the night before. When introducing six days they say "six days on the road and we're going to make it to Philadelphia tonight." It's good. Same basic setlist.
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
keefgotsoul
()
Date: October 6, 2023 05:19
Gram says in this video he first heard Wild Horses right after Altamont. Mick played him the recording.
[youtu.be]
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[youtu.be]
.
Re: New marker at Joshua Tree
Posted by:
kovach
()
Date: October 6, 2023 05:30
Gram looks more like Richie Blackmore on the cover of that album!
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
kv2915
()
Date: October 6, 2023 06:26
Omg I would love to buy this! Love Gram.
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
Taylor1
()
Date: October 6, 2023 15:14
I don' t get why Keith , if he was best friends , would never see him again after what transpired at Nellcote.Wat difference does it make if Gram was lazy. He was not playing on Stones records.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-10-06 15:58 by Taylor1.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-10-06 15:58 by Taylor1.
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 6, 2023 15:29
Quote
Taylor1
I don' t get why Keith , if he was best friends , would never see him again what what transpired at Nellcote.Wat difference does it make if Gram was lazy. He was not playing on Stones records.
Keith was pretty busy after Nellcote (kicked out of France, overdubs on Exile in the US, the US tour, moving to Switzerland, recording GHS in Jamaica, the Euro-tour etc.). Then Gram died.
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
kv2915
()
Date: October 7, 2023 16:15
The vinyl was listed as a record store day release this coming Nov.
The blonde who posed nude with the Stones
Posted by:
Zotz
()
Date: October 7, 2023 19:45
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5483823/blonde
...Keith on Gram's bike
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-10-07 19:49 by Zotz.
...Keith on Gram's bike
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-10-07 19:49 by Zotz.
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
django
()
Date: October 7, 2023 19:46
Just back from a three weeks road-trip in California (and suffering from a really bad jetlag), I would like to share these pics:
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
Zotz
()
Date: October 7, 2023 20:10
Quote
keefgotsoul
Gram says in this video he first heard Wild Horses right after Altamont. Mick played him the recording.
[youtu.be]
.
Linda Ronstadt bio 'Simple Dreams: A Musical Memory' states that Keith played 'Wild Horses' (pre Muscle Shoals version) for her and Gram and wanted to record the song herself.
Re: OT: Gram Parsons
Posted by:
rayrad
()
Date: October 12, 2023 12:10
and now there's this
the story of the great lost environmental sci-fi film starring michelle phillips and gram - with music by the burritos and roger mcguinn:
[www.youtube.com]
the story of the great lost environmental sci-fi film starring michelle phillips and gram - with music by the burritos and roger mcguinn:
[www.youtube.com]
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