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georgie48
The 100% clear distinction of both the eyes and stripe(s) on John Pasche's design(s) are highly distinctive and absolutely unique.
But both designs (A. Aldridge and J. Pasche) are very, very similar in shape & geometry. Compare it here - [iorr.org] . You can of course believe in coincidences if you like.
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blivet
Mystery solved!
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blivet
Mystery solved!
It describes how the T&L logo was redrawn by Craig Braun's company, early 1971 in New York City. But it does not explain why the logo by John Pasche (created in 1970 in London, UK) has a very similar shape & geometry compared to Alan Aldridge's illustration (1969).
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shawnriffhard1
This IMO, is one of the most incredible examples of, well, I'm not sure what. It's not Mandela effect, because the pics are right there. Almost like a conspiracy of people being paid to testify that, "Keep moving,there's nothing to see here."
The tongue isn't "inspired by" or "similar to" or any of that; it's as if Pasche took a pencil and a piece of tracing paper to the Aldridge design and then added a few touches (teeth, eyes white lines). I really feel bad for Ernie, who's a very groovy cat, but is locked into this now ancient legend and has to keep going with it to the grave. Pasche too, seems like a decent fellow, but this isn't like Mannish Boy/Jean Genie. There are a bunch of pics out there with tongues and lips, going way back, but this is a cover version at best. If the Aldridge family brought it to court, no jury in the world wouldn't agree. Even Johnnie Cochran wouldn't be able to help with this one.
It seems to me that the Stones were still worried about the "copying the Beatles" thing, and must have paid Aldridge to keep quiet. Chess, Braun, Cefalu and Pasche then colluded in creating this intentionally murky, "he said, he said" story to cover up the obvious. Much like art thieves starting a fire in another part of town to throw off the scent and occupy the police, while the Van Gogh's go out the back door.
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roller99
It was reverse engineered by Braun using Ernie simply for business reasons.
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roller99
It was reverse engineered by Braun using Ernie simply for business reasons.
They used John Pasche's version. Craig Braun said that "a rough one-inch version [was] faxed over from London by Marshall Chess" - [iorr.org] .
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roller99
Braun used Cefalu to reverse engineer it. Cefalu was an unwitting participant, and Braun was able to pull it off by combining some lips Cefalu had done for some broadway show.
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roller99
Braun used Cefalu to reverse engineer it. Cefalu was an unwitting participant, and Braun was able to pull it off by combining some lips Cefalu had done for some broadway show.
Craig Braun's in-house illustrators Walter Velez and Tony DiMiceli had redrawn it - [iorr.org]. And John Pasche's rubber stamp logo (Rolling Stones Records letterheads) was done before Craig Braun & Ernie Cefalu.
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roller99
You need to get the full story, not just parrot something you read.
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roller99
You need to get the full story, not just parrot something you read.
Since you're a journalist, you could write the true full story ('court proof'). Would be interesting.
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blivet
Mystery solved!
It describes how the T&L logo was redrawn by Craig Braun's company, early 1971 in New York City. But it does not explain why the logo by John Pasche (created in 1970 in London, UK) has a very similar shape & geometry compared to Alan Aldridge's illustration (1969).
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roller99
I did. It's pretty much what you say.
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blivet
I guess it's possible that Pasche took inspiration from the "Day Tripper" illustration, and told Braun so when Braun was tying to put together the album package without having Pasche's artwork directly available.
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roller99
I did. It's pretty much what you say.
Where can we read (and compare) your full story?
My pleasure Irix. I actually have the letter that The RS sent to John Pasche via Jo Bergman, but I don't know how to post images here. Just clarifies that Pasche did it first.
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blivet
I guess it's possible that Pasche took inspiration from the "Day Tripper" illustration, and told Braun so when Braun was tying to put together the album package without having Pasche's artwork directly available.
Seems to be possible.
The best would be if Bill Wyman could find in his RS archive a very early letter from Rolling Stones Records with a date before 1971 and the rubber stamp logo on it.
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blivet
I've seen a copy of that letterhead. I think someone even posted it on this board.
It's here - [iorr.org] . But this letterhead from Rolling Stones Records has no date on it.
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blivet
it's easy to imagine Braun having an "aha" moment when he compared his fax image of it and the Aldridge illustration