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Green Lady
God, probably.
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loog droog
Perhaps the more immediate question is, Who Will Finish The Stones?
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loog droog
Perhaps the more immediate question is, Who Will Finish The Stones?
I think the question is rather: what will finish the Rolling Stones?
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deeeskannnie
In a handwritten letter by Brian Jones to an early fan, dated May 4, 1963, Jones himself says this about it:
"The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R & B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the “Stones.” - Brian Jones, 1963.
Here’s the letter:
Brian Jones 1963
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Hey JKF, are you by chance MHP on the Hoffman forum site? Same question popped up there a couple weeks ago, or, you saw it there and posted it here?
I think it was the amalgamation of Brian/Stu and Mick/Keith. Brian named the band, booked their club shows and originally handled the money. When the rest of the band found out he was keeping an extra 5 pounds for himself that was probably the start of his decline! As Keith once said, "Brian peaked when we were the hottest band in London."
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The Worst.
It is true that there was a fusion of two fractions, Brian and Stu + The Dartford Gang (The Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys: Mick, Keith, Dick Taylor) that would eventually become The Rolling Stones.
The question is who the engine was behind this fusion. From my limited understanding and knowledge, this is approximately what happened:
* 17th of October 1961: Mick and Keith meet again at Dartford Rail Station.
* November 1961: Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys record at Jagger’s home in Dartford.
*7th of April 1962: Mick and Keith see Brian Jones for the very first time, performing with Alexis Korner at The Ealing Jazz Club. This is a crucial moment: They talk after the gig. Who knows what was said? Mick probably gives an AFGA cassette tape of the November recordings to Brian, who then gives it to Alexis Korner. This leads to the next point:
*1st of May 1962: DISC writes that Alexis Korner’s Blues Incorporated will play a gig with Mick Jagger on vocals. The band consists of Dave Stevens, Dick Heckstall-Smith, Jack Bruce, Alexis Korner, and Cyril Davies. Brian Jones is in the audience, watching Mick Jagger perform as a vocalist. Mick and Brian will later perform together with Alexis Korner at Ealing Jazz Club.
* May 1962: Charlie Watts joins Alexis Korner’s Blues Incorporated. Mick and Charlie perform togehter with Korner's band.
* May 1962: Brian Jones and Ian Stewart holds auditions for a band they want to start, first at The White Bear, then at the Bricklayer’s Arms – both in Soho. Among the musicians they play with are Geoff Bradford, Andy Wren, Brian Knight, and Dick Hattrell. In late May, Mick, Keith, and Dick Taylor show up. This now become the core of the group: Brian and Stu + Mick, Keith and Dick.
* 1st of July 1962: Alexis Korner cancels his own show at the Marquee Club on the 12th because he’s invited to BBC Radio. Alexis Korner asks Brian Jones if he can form a replacement group. Mick calls DISC from a red phone booth to inform about this new band. According to legend, Brian Jones points to a track on a Muddy Waters record – “Rollin’ Stone Blues” while Mick is on the phone.
*2nd of July 1962: Brian writes a letter to DISC:
“Dear Sirs, I understand Mick Jagger, our singer, has phoned you with regard to our Rhythm and Blues group, the “Rollin’ Stones”. We are playing the marquee, Oxford Street on 12th July, sharing the bill with Long John Baldry’s Band. Our line up is:
Brian Jones – Guitar, Leader.
Keith Richards – Guitar.
Dick Taylor – Bass Guitar.
Ian Stewart – Piano.
Earl Phillips – Drums.
With Mick Jagger – vocals.
Yours faithfully,
Brian Jones.”
(Note: Earl Phillips is a joke, of course. At this point they didn’t have a drummer.)
* 7th of July 1962: DISC writes that Alexis Korner’s gig at the Marquee on 12th of July is cancelled and will be replaced by “Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones”.
* 12th of July 1962: The Rolling Stones play their first gig with Brian, Mick, Stu, Keith + Dick Taylor on bass and probably Tony Chapman on drums.
It can be a bit difficult to settle the score once and for all, but Brian was connected with Alexis Korner more than the others - and that first gig on the Marquee happened only because Korner gave the gig to Brian. Then we can argue who came up with the name, Brian or Mick, but the auditions Brian organzied at Bricklayer's Arms were essential to the creation of the band. DISC mentioned Mick a lot because he made the crucial phone call. I also think Mick got a bit of attention simply because he was the singer, hence the bill "Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones". My educated guess is that the band and the name were both Brian's creations. And then of course Korner plays a vital role: his Tuesday evenings at Ealing Jazz Club brought Brian, Mick, Keith and Charlie togheter.
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The Worst.
(Note: Earl Phillips is a joke, of course. At this point they didn’t have a drummer.)
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The Worst.
It is true that there was a fusion of two fractions, Brian and Stu + The Dartford Gang (The Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys: Mick, Keith, Dick Taylor) that would eventually become The Rolling Stones.
The question is who the engine was behind this fusion. From my limited understanding and knowledge, this is approximately what happened:
*7th of April 1962: Mick and Keith see Brian Jones for the very first time, performing with Alexis Korner at The Ealing Jazz Club. This is a crucial moment: They talk after the gig. Who knows what was said? Mick probably gives an AFGA cassette tape of the November recordings to Brian, who then gives it to Alexis Korner. This leads to the next point:
It can be a bit difficult to settle the score once and for all, but Brian was connected with Alexis Korner more than the others - and that first gig on the Marquee happened only because Korner gave the gig to Brian. Then we can argue who came up with the name, Brian or Mick, but the auditions Brian organzied at Bricklayer's Arms were essential to the creation of the band. DISC mentioned Mick a lot because he made the crucial phone call. I also think Mick got a bit of attention simply because he was the singer, hence the bill "Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones". My educated guess is that the band and the name were both Brian's creations. And then of course Korner plays a vital role: his Tuesday evenings at Ealing Jazz Club brought Brian, Mick, Keith and Charlie togheter.
You call that limited?
So it was Brian and not an internet myth. It’s an amalgamation of Brian/Stu and the Dartford outfit, but it was Brian who instigated the whole thing really.
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Brian Hopkins Jones