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Great share! Many thanks. Never heard the original MSG in this clear sound. It is evident for me that no overdubbing on Ya Ya's was necessary.They edited some great moments of Mick Taylor and Keith, unfortunately.
Well, no not really, they didn't touch the guitars at all except for some minor rhythm guitar of Taylor during Carol.
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As been stated previously on threads regarding Ya Yas, the primary overdubs were centered on the vocals, which when you hear these 69 TRAX recordings (that were dumped by Abkco in 2019), I personally think that they were unnecessary. In particular, I would argue that they ruined Jack Flash on Ya Yas. The take that you hear (on bootlegs and the 69 TRAX) with the original vocals (from 11/27 first show if my memory serves me well) sounds more raw and powerful to my ears.
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Great share! Many thanks. Never heard the original MSG in this clear sound. It is evident for me that no overdubbing on Ya Ya's was necessary.They edited some great moments of Mick Taylor and Keith, unfortunately.
Well, no not really, they didn't touch the guitars at all except for some minor rhythm guitar of Taylor during Carol.
Mathijs
As been stated previously on threads regarding Ya Yas, the primary overdubs were centered on the vocals, which when you hear these 69 TRAX recordings (that were dumped by Abkco in 2019), I personally think that they were unnecessary. In particular, I would argue that they ruined Jack Flash on Ya Yas. The take that you hear (on bootlegs and the 69 TRAX) with the original vocals (from 11/27 first show if my memory serves me well) sounds more raw and powerful to my ears.
The Stones just sound fantastic on these shows, but it has to be said that the guitars were out of tune quite a bit (e.g. Taylor on 2nd show JJF, Taylor on both 11/28 LIV's, Richards on all Sympathy's and 2 out of 3 Stray Cat's, etc), and that Jagger's vocals slur and drag quite a bit and at times he was outright out of tune. It sounds like at times he couldn't hear himself properly.
Listening to it today, I found that Jagger's ad lib vocals during Taylor's solo in Sympathy were not live, but overdubs. These are fantastic, and really missing on the actual version. Richard's backup vocals really add a lot of charm.
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For Ya Ya's they really took the best instrumental takes they had, where everybody was in tune and in sync, and replaced the vocals where needed.
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Great share! Many thanks. Never heard the original MSG in this clear sound. It is evident for me that no overdubbing on Ya Ya's was necessary.They edited some great moments of Mick Taylor and Keith, unfortunately.
Well, no not really, they didn't touch the guitars at all except for some minor rhythm guitar of Taylor during Carol.
Mathijs
The guitar sound on SFTD (first show) is much richer than on Ya Ya's version. And they did use the version of the first concert for Ya Ya's, didn't they?
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I actually don't think these are soundboards, but audience recording taken from the PA. These recordings were made to capture the audience.
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I was listening to the 11/27 show tonight and don't think it is an audience recording in the strict sense as it is too well-balanced. Possible a stage recording?
I know the Doors did this for one of their official bootlegs and it sounded similar.
However they were recorded the ABKCO tapes sound fantastic and blow away the available audience recordings that have been around forever.
In my opinion it is an audience recording recorded by the crew at the mixer desk with a stereo microphone, I guess some 40 meters from the stage. I listened to all shows again and I forgot a bit how utterly fantastic they are.
I don't remember exactly, but the 28th first show is incomplete right? Stray Cat is the official Ya-Ya's version and not the audience recording for example.
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Possibly as the vocals and drum's are back in the mix, which you get with many audience recordings, with the guitars and Bill's bass more forward.
The only thing that makes me doubt that these are audience recordings is Bill's bass overloads the tape at one point on one of the songs and then the mix is adjusted to fix this which you would not expect to hear in an audience recording and implies to me it may have been a line or board recording.
Also I believe these are mono sources and not stereo recordings.
I don't believe any tracks from the 11/28 first show were released in the ABKCO
69RSTRAX Dump. The "No Label" bootleg label seems to have cobbled together all the available tracks from the official YaYa's releases and other bootleg recordings to give us a partial concert.
To my knowledge there are no complete tapes, audience or SB, of the 11/28 1st show in general circulation.
[www.dbboots.com]
There is also the excellent FALO/ Capt. Acid matrix of the 11/27 show that combines the ABKCO tape with the VG SQ long circulating audience tape that really breathes some life into the ABKCO tape and give a nice stereo feel to the concert.
[www.dbboots.com]
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I actually don't think these are soundboards, but audience recording taken from the PA. These recordings were made to capture the audience.
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I was listening to the 11/27 show tonight and don't think it is an audience recording in the strict sense as it is too well-balanced. Possible a stage recording?
I know the Doors did this for one of their official bootlegs and it sounded similar.
However they were recorded the ABKCO tapes sound fantastic and blow away the available audience recordings that have been around forever.
In my opinion it is an audience recording recorded by the crew at the mixer desk with a stereo microphone, I guess some 40 meters from the stage. I listened to all shows again and I forgot a bit how utterly fantastic they are.
I don't remember exactly, but the 28th first show is incomplete right? Stray Cat is the official Ya-Ya's version and not the audience recording for example.
Mathijs
Possibly as the vocals and drum's are back in the mix, which you get with many audience recordings, with the guitars and Bill's bass more forward.
The only thing that makes me doubt that these are audience recordings is Bill's bass overloads the tape at one point on one of the songs and then the mix is adjusted to fix this which you would not expect to hear in an audience recording and implies to me it may have been a line or board recording.
Also I believe these are mono sources and not stereo recordings.
I don't believe any tracks from the 11/28 first show were released in the ABKCO
69RSTRAX Dump. The "No Label" bootleg label seems to have cobbled together all the available tracks from the official YaYa's releases and other bootleg recordings to give us a partial concert.
To my knowledge there are no complete tapes, audience or SB, of the 11/28 1st show in general circulation.
[www.dbboots.com]
There is also the excellent FALO/ Capt. Acid matrix of the 11/27 show that combines the ABKCO tape with the VG SQ long circulating audience tape that really breathes some life into the ABKCO tape and give a nice stereo feel to the concert.
[www.dbboots.com]
Other folks can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Abkco ONLY released the first three tracks from the early show on 11/28/69 via the 69 TRAX dump on U Tube.
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These are fantastic and new to me! Did they not play Gimme Shelter at any of the MSG shows?
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Great share! Many thanks. Never heard the original MSG in this clear sound. It is evident for me that no overdubbing on Ya Ya's was necessary.They edited some great moments of Mick Taylor and Keith, unfortunately.
Well, no not really, they didn't touch the guitars at all except for some minor rhythm guitar of Taylor during Carol.
Mathijs
As been stated previously on threads regarding Ya Yas, the primary overdubs were centered on the vocals, which when you hear these 69 TRAX recordings (that were dumped by Abkco in 2019), I personally think that they were unnecessary. In particular, I would argue that they ruined Jack Flash on Ya Yas. The take that you hear (on bootlegs and the 69 TRAX) with the original vocals (from 11/27 first show if my memory serves me well) sounds more raw and powerful to my ears.
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Great share! Many thanks. Never heard the original MSG in this clear sound. It is evident for me that no overdubbing on Ya Ya's was necessary.They edited some great moments of Mick Taylor and Keith, unfortunately.
Well, no not really, they didn't touch the guitars at all except for some minor rhythm guitar of Taylor during Carol.
Mathijs
The guitar sound on SFTD (first show) is much richer than on Ya Ya's version. And they did use the version of the first concert for Ya Ya's, didn't they?
I correct myself: The SFTD-version of Ya Ya's is from the 2. show. And there is hardly any editing or any overdubbing.
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ChrisM42
Here is the original work from the 1990's, and the fundamental read on this topic:
[www.rollingstonesnet.com]
I will update soon based on the GJ Unmixed Soundboards.
Chris M.
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