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DandelionPowderman
Keep in mind that we never would have heard Brian’s slide guitar if Keith hadn't written the music.
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DandelionPowderman
Keep in mind that we never would have heard Brian’s slide guitar if Keith hadn't written the music.
That's exactly the point. Everything else is arrangement or, let's say, embellishment.
And this is how every judge in a copyright claim would decide. Strictly speaking, legalities are legalities, everything else is "just" fairness amongst band members.
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DandelionPowderman
Keep in mind that we never would have heard Brian’s slide guitar if Keith hadn't written the music.
That's exactly the point. Everything else is arrangement or, let's say, embellishment.
And this is how every judge in a copyright claim would decide. Strictly speaking, legalities are legalities, everything else is "just" fairness amongst band members.
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DandelionPowderman
This process is essential for other band members to shine later with their embellishments.
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Doxa
A note: I had forgotten to put the name of the song of my example of pure 'Jagger' song above. Added now and it is "Sympathy For The Devil".
- Doxa
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Doxa
A note: I had forgotten to put the name of the song of my example of pure 'Jagger' song above. Added now and it is "Sympathy For The Devil".
- Doxa
You wrote a while ago that Taylor should deserve writing credits for "Winter" I merely would give him writing credits for Time Waits For No One; the repetitive ascending distinctive melody line Taylor played melts with the song more then just a nice improvisation.
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JJHMick
The fuzz guitar is marvellous. I don't know why they only used it this time and for just a handful of bars. I know Keith hates fuzzed guitars.
Could the idea of turning Sympathy from the folkrock song it started out as into the samba album version came from Brian, since he was experimenting with different types of percussion and beats on Satanic Majesties and with the Pipes of PanQuote
Doxa
A note: I had forgotten to put the name of the song of my example of pure 'Jagger' song above. Added now and it is "Sympathy For The Devil".
- Doxa
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His Majesty
It is obviously his song and the credit should rightfully carry his name, but something more than just Mick writing happened here.
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His Majesty
Yes. Chemistry indeed.
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The writing credits are probably mostly spot on, but I still think most of the songs, just the melody and lyrics, are also as they are due to being put through the collective Rolling Stones recording process.
Even songs we see and hear through varying stages come out differently to how they were presented. Sympathy is presented mostly complete, but the melody is not fully defined, the lyrics change, the tempo changes etc. The collective process of recording and arranging changes the song itself.
Mick is still the writer, the creative guardian of the song if you like, but the song is undeniably altered due to the collective recording process. This process was needed to complete and define the song fully.
Kudos to Witness for this 'Stones Collective' way of defining the band years ago for my benefit.
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DandelionPowderman
But isn't it always like that in a band, unless the writer(s) dictate what the others should play?