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Taylor1The album version was recorded at Muscle Shoals before the Clapton one, and overdubs like the sax were done laterQuote
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I though the Clapton version was recorded on Keith's birthday in 1970?
While I'm here I also thought Jahisnotdead's post was excellent.
Nico Zentgraf has the Clapton one in 1969. But the date was indeed December 18:Quote
691209A 9th, 10th & 18th December: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer: Jimmy Miller.
Sound engineer: Glyn Johns.
- Brown Sugar III (MJ/KR) -STU on piano; partly to be heard in Gimme
Shelter-movie, released on Hot Rocks (by mistake on 1st pressings only!)
- Brown Sugar IV (MJ/KR) -STU on piano; Bobby Keys on sax, Al Kooper and
Eric Clapton on guitars (18th December); Sticky Fingers Deluxe-version
[www.nzentgraf.de]
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I think "All the rage" would have been pretty decent in BS's place..........
Also, I noticed that except for 2 renditions, they also dropped iorr from the setlist.........
I personally have never cared for live IORR after the 75 tour. I really loved the 1975 lurching chugging version. Never cared much for it from 76 on live, always seemed too fast and it changed the DNA of the song.
The studio version is fantastic with the slinky slow build up. Underrated in my opinion.
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Big Al
Doesn't the Fonda Theater rendition of Brown Sugar clock in at around eight minutes? I'm in agreement that it needs to be trimmed a little. If they were to ever open with it - which they wont! - I would imagine that it'd have to be a shorter rendition, like when they did so during some of the Licks tour stadium shows. When did these longwinded, drawn-out performances start, anyway? I don't recollect any pre-2012 performances having noticeably overly long outro's.
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Big Al
Doesn't the Fonda Theater rendition of Brown Sugar clock in at around eight minutes? I'm in agreement that it needs to be trimmed a little. If they were to ever open with it - which they wont! - I would imagine that it'd have to be a shorter rendition, like when they did so during some of the Licks tour stadium shows. When did these longwinded, drawn-out performances start, anyway? I don't recollect any pre-2012 performances having noticeably overly long outro's.
Really? Since Steel Wheels they've made the warhorses extra long.
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BeforeTheyMakeMeRun
You know, it's funny. I feel like I remember this same board complaining about how many warhorses were played at shows from 2012-2019. Now they remove one warhorse and free up a space for a new song and people complain.
Personally, I'd love to have heard it again this tour but I get why it was left off the setlist.
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You know, it's funny. I feel like I remember this same board complaining about how many warhorses were played at shows from 2012-2019. Now they remove one warhorse and free up a space for a new song and people complain.
Personally, I'd love to have heard it again this tour but I get why it was left off the setlist.
But... they didn't add a new song.
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Big Al
Doesn't the Fonda Theater rendition of Brown Sugar clock in at around eight minutes? I'm in agreement that it needs to be trimmed a little. If they were to ever open with it - which they wont! - I would imagine that it'd have to be a shorter rendition, like when they did so during some of the Licks tour stadium shows. When did these longwinded, drawn-out performances start, anyway? I don't recollect any pre-2012 performances having noticeably overly long outro's.
Really? Since Steel Wheels they've made the warhorses extra long.
Well, it just seems to be that Brown Sugar, in particular, has had it’s outro extended a fair bit in recent years. It was a far tighter, concise performance, pre-2012, if I recollect.
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Big Al
Doesn't the Fonda Theater rendition of Brown Sugar clock in at around eight minutes? I'm in agreement that it needs to be trimmed a little. If they were to ever open with it - which they wont! - I would imagine that it'd have to be a shorter rendition, like when they did so during some of the Licks tour stadium shows. When did these longwinded, drawn-out performances start, anyway? I don't recollect any pre-2012 performances having noticeably overly long outro's.
Really? Since Steel Wheels they've made the warhorses extra long.
Well, it just seems to be that Brown Sugar, in particular, has had it’s outro extended a fair bit in recent years. It was a far tighter, concise performance, pre-2012, if I recollect.
The best version I ever saw was on the Licks tour in Vegas (MGM). They played it on the little stage with just the basic band & Bobby Keyes. Very stripped down. I've seen them do that song at every show I've seen & this version was awesome. They got their groove on for sure!
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"Brown Sugar" never really did work after 1976, IMO, allthough BigAl is right that it was a real welcome verson at 2005 press onference.
It has always striked me, that even on the poor poor LA 1975 video concert (July 12th); "Brown Sugar" is brilliant. Maybe the only great performance that day.
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Big Al
Doesn't the Fonda Theater rendition of Brown Sugar clock in at around eight minutes? I'm in agreement that it needs to be trimmed a little. If they were to ever open with it - which they wont! - I would imagine that it'd have to be a shorter rendition, like when they did so during some of the Licks tour stadium shows. When did these longwinded, drawn-out performances start, anyway? I don't recollect any pre-2012 performances having noticeably overly long outro's.
Really? Since Steel Wheels they've made the warhorses extra long.
Well, it just seems to be that Brown Sugar, in particular, has had it’s outro extended a fair bit in recent years. It was a far tighter, concise performance, pre-2012, if I recollect.
The best version I ever saw was on the Licks tour in Vegas (MGM). They played it on the little stage with just the basic band & Bobby Keyes. Very stripped down. I've seen them do that song at every show I've seen & this version was awesome. They got their groove on for sure!
One of my favourites is the rendition from their 2005 A Bigger Bang tour press conference: just the core group, minus Bobby Keys' saxophone. Great solo from Ronnie instead! A very loose performance all round. They performed Oh No, Not You Again terrifically, too. In fact, it was so good, I remember being rather disappointed when I later heard the album version. Great guitar-work from Keith.
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Big Al
Doesn't the Fonda Theater rendition of Brown Sugar clock in at around eight minutes? I'm in agreement that it needs to be trimmed a little. If they were to ever open with it - which they wont! - I would imagine that it'd have to be a shorter rendition, like when they did so during some of the Licks tour stadium shows. When did these longwinded, drawn-out performances start, anyway? I don't recollect any pre-2012 performances having noticeably overly long outro's.
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BeforeTheyMakeMeRun
You know, it's funny. I feel like I remember this same board complaining about how many warhorses were played at shows from 2012-2019. Now they remove one warhorse and free up a space for a new song and people complain.
Personally, I'd love to have heard it again this tour but I get why it was left off the setlist.
But... they didn't add a new song.
GHOST TOWN was the new song they added.
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Erik_Snow
"Brown Sugar" never really did work after 1976, IMO, allthough BigAl is right that it was a real welcome verson at 2005 press onference.
It has always striked me, that even on the poor poor LA 1975 video concert (July 12th); "Brown Sugar" is brilliant. Maybe the only great performance that day.
...and I think Billy's is ruining that whole performance! Another man's tea is another man's..
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BeforeTheyMakeMeRun
You know, it's funny. I feel like I remember this same board complaining about how many warhorses were played at shows from 2012-2019. Now they remove one warhorse and free up a space for a new song and people complain.
Personally, I'd love to have heard it again this tour but I get why it was left off the setlist.
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BeforeTheyMakeMeRun
You know, it's funny. I feel like I remember this same board complaining about how many warhorses were played at shows from 2012-2019. Now they remove one warhorse and free up a space for a new song and people complain.
Personally, I'd love to have heard it again this tour but I get why it was left off the setlist.
They didn’t remove a song. This wasn’t an artistic decision. They erased a part of their legacy and image under the ever-looming threat of the twitter mob.
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Redhotcarpet
They didn’t remove a song. This wasn’t an artistic decision. They erased a part of their legacy and image under the ever-looming threat of the twitter mob.
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slewan
I thought we were through with that discussion. They dropped that song for some reason or for no reason at all. We don't know, They dropped other songs in the past and most likely they'll drop other songs in the future. So what?
Personally I'd wish they drop more of those songs from the setlist they played thousand times before (I really could live without 'Satisfaction', 'Start Me Up' etc.)
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slewan
I thought we were through with that discussion. They dropped that song for some reason or for no reason at all. We don't know, They dropped other songs in the past and most likely they'll drop other songs in the future. So what?
Personally I'd wish they drop more of those songs from the setlist they played thousand times before (I really could live without 'Satisfaction', 'Start Me Up' etc.)
I hear you and echo your sentiment, but they didn't drop it out just for being tired of playing it. Keith told the reason indirectly. Mick not, but we don't need to be any Sherlocks to guess that he was behind the desicion. He had overtly supported BLM, etc.
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slewan
I thought we were through with that discussion. They dropped that song for some reason or for no reason at all. We don't know, They dropped other songs in the past and most likely they'll drop other songs in the future. So what?
Personally I'd wish they drop more of those songs from the setlist they played thousand times before (I really could live without 'Satisfaction', 'Start Me Up' etc.)
I hear you and echo your sentiment, but they didn't drop it out just for being tired of playing it. Keith told the reason indirectly. Mick not, but we don't need to be any Sherlocks to guess that he was behind the desicion. He had overtly supported BLM, etc.
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If that is in fact the reason, which is probably true, I'm pleased to be supporting a band that can still be progressive, even as they enter their 7th decade together.