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Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 16, 2005 23:03

>> Dance - 4.40 instrumental version found on the 12 " US promo
Feel On Baby - 6.27 dub version found on b-side of Undercover <<

those should be on there for sure! feed my sssoul ...


"What do you want - what?!"
- Keith

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: barcelona ()
Date: November 16, 2005 23:43

with sssoul Wrote:
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> Family was recorded in 68; and yeah, Drift Away
> sure belongs on there if outtakes are included!
> but so do miles and miles of other outtakes too.
>
> "Music, to me, is the joy, right?"
> - Keith
>
> - Keith by Ronnie

Yes you're right, I thought that outtakes could be included



Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: November 16, 2005 23:49

T&A Wrote:
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> yep - that's the one - it's not really something a
> lot of Stones fans would dig - really just a romp
> through an Irish jig - if someone didn't tell you
> the Stones were playing on it you wouldn't likely
> be able to figure it out


theres a few bars of "Satisfaction" in the midst of the 'jig'at the end of it

The Stones also performed as a band on BB KIng's "Paid The Cost to be the Boss" track on his "Deuces wild" album, recorded in LA during the BTB sessions

'Long Black Veil' is just Mick, and the Jimmy Rogers album is just Mick and Keith

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: November 16, 2005 23:49

with sssoul Wrote:
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> far as i know Memo was recorded in 68, and
> CrissCross in 72/73.
> but does CrissCross qualify, if the compilation is
> supposed to be of *released* rarities?
> bootlegs/outtakes seem like yet another box set,
> and a pretty massive one at that.
>
> ps regarding the Metamorphosis tracks: I'm Going
> Down *does* sort of fit: it was started in 69 and
> completed in 70.
>
> "Music, to me, is the joy, right?"
> - Keith
>
> - Keith by Ronnie
>

Definitely not striving for outtakes on this list. If we were, this thread would become longer than the hair implants one and we would never finish it.

The only reason I included Criss Cross Man is because revolver said it is on the Japanese version of Metamorphosis. I didn't even know there was a Japanese version. Have you ever heard of this? Is it a legitimate release or a bootleg?

Other than Criss Cross, if it qualifies, I am going to leave off everything from Metamorphosis because some of it is in a grey area. Ok, so my revised definition of what I'm looking for is every studio track the Stones have released since 1970 that isn't on a studio album or on Metamorphosis (U.S. and UK versions). No live stuff, no remixes, no dubs, no instrumentals. Dubs and instrumentals can go on the remix compilation.



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Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: November 16, 2005 23:53

Also the 12" of Undercover Of The Night and dont forget the Too Much Blood 12" where Micky Jaggs sure takes us up some strange dark alleys...



ROCKMAN

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: November 16, 2005 23:55

Rockman Wrote:
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> Also the 12" of Undercover Of The Night and dont
> forget the Too Much Blood 12" where Micky Jaggs
> sure takes us up some strange dark alleys...
>
> ROCKMAN

And no 12'' versions. They can go on the remix compilation too. It's good to know to hear about that stuff though, I didn't even know it existed.

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: cirrhosis ()
Date: November 17, 2005 00:01

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-22 05:25 by cirrhosis.

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: René ()
Date: November 17, 2005 10:37

I.m.o. the tracklist for the Rarities CD should have been:


The Rolling Stones - Rarities 1971-1986

CD 1:
1. Brown Sugar (alt.version) Hot Rocks 2LP (first pressing only)
2. Wild Horses (alt.version) Hot Rocks 2LP (first pressing only)
3. Let It Rock (live) Brown Sugar/Bitch/Let It Rock 7" EP
4. Sway (alt.version) Wild Horses 7" single
5. Wild Horses (promo version) Wild Horses promo 7" single
6. Exile On Main Street Blues Exile OMS promo 7" flexi single
7. All Down The Line (alt.version) Happy 7" single
8. Star Star (cleaned up version) Goats Head Soup US LP
9. It's Only Rock 'n Roll (promo version) It's Only R 'n R promo 7" single
10. Through The Lonely Nights It's Only Rock 'n Roll 7" single
11. Miss You (full length album version) Some Girls 8-track tape
12. Beast Of Burden (full length version) Some Girls 8-track tape
13. Shattered (promo version) Shattered promo 7" single

CD 2:
1. Far Away Eyes (single version) Miss You 7" single
2. Everything Is Turning To Gold Shattered 7" single
3. Before They Make Me Run (alt.version) Before TMMR promo 7" single
4. Emotional Rescue (promo version) Emotional Rescue promo 7" single
5. She's So Cold (cleaned up version) She's So Cold promo 7" single
5. Dance (instr.) If I Was A Dancer/Dance 12" single
6. Waiting On A Friend (promo version) Waiting On A Friend promo 7" single
7. Undercover Of The Night (promo version) Undercover OTN promo 7" single
8. She Was Hot (promo version) She Was Hot promo 7" single
9. I Think I'm Going Mad She Was Hot 7" single
10. One Hit (To The Body) (edit) One Hit (To The Body) 12" single
11. Winning Ugly (promo version) Harlem S promo 7" single (Argentina)
12. Back To Zero (promo version) One Hit promo 7" single (Argentina)

All versions never released before on CD (except Everything Is Turning To Gold, this one is included to make the studio b-sides collection complete).
The compilation is called "Rarities 1971-1986",because after Dirty Work (1986) all b-sides, alt. versions & promo versions were released on CD.
I know the promo versions are edited and very annoying, but as a collector.......
well, you know.


To make it all complete, they should also include a "Mixes 1983-1998" bonus CD:

1. Too Much Blood (Dance Version) Too Much Blood 12" single
2. Too Much Blood (Dub Version) Too Much Blood 12" single
3. Undercover Of The Night (12" Version) Undercover Of The Night 12" single
4. Feel On Baby (Instrumental Dub) Undercover Of The Night 12" single
5. Harlem Shuffle (New York Mix) Harlem Shuffle 12" single
6. One Hit (To The Body) (London Mix) One Hit (To The Body) 12" single
7. Winning Ugly (New York Mix) Winning Ugly 12" single
8. Anybody Seen My Baby
(Soul Solution Remix Edit) Anybody SMB picture 7" single
9. Anybody Seen My Baby
(Casanova New Vocal Mix) Anybody SMB promo 12" single
10. Saint Of Me (Todd Terry Fade) Saint Of Me promo 12" single
11. Saint Of Me
(Todd Terry Tee's Freeze Dub) Saint Of Me promo 12" single
12. Saint Of Me (Todd Terry Dub #2) Saint Of Me promo 12" single
13. Saint Of Me (Deep Dish Rolling Dub) Saint Of Me promo 12" single
14. Out Of Control (Bi-Polar Outer Version) Out Of Control picture 7" single

Especially the Anybody Seen My Baby, Saint Of Me and Out Of Control mixes are awful, but again: Hey, I'm a collector!

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: revolver ()
Date: November 17, 2005 13:08

You misunderstood me ohnonotyouagain.

Criss Cross Man is NOT from a Japanese version of Metamorphosis.

It is from a Japanese FILM called Metamorphosis. The two titles has nothing to do with each other.

So while it is not released on record, it features in the film. The same goes for Honest I Do (remake)

CCM is from 1972/73.

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: phd ()
Date: November 17, 2005 16:18

I was thinking of Child of the Moon. with its astonishing musical environment.

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: mr edward ()
Date: November 17, 2005 16:24

Child of the Moon was recorded in the Allen Klein years: before 1971.

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: November 17, 2005 16:37

"Criss Cross Man is NOT from a Japanese version of Metamorphosis.

It is from a Japanese FILM called Metamorphosis. The two titles has nothing to do with each other.

So while it is not released on record, it features in the film. The same goes for Honest I Do (remake)"


...But CCM is on Acetates, right?
(Havent heard it for a while; gotta pick it up)

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: cc ()
Date: November 17, 2005 17:22

Man, I would buy René's version in a heartbeat. Anyone know of a good bootleg to obtain those promo versions? Particularly "IORR" - isn't it significantly different?

cc

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: rumple21 ()
Date: November 17, 2005 17:25

Well there are so many tracks left-off the rarities album that should have been included but nevertheless it's what we're getting - so be it!

At least 'Through TLN', should be now be at it's pristine - official release best.

What about a follow up - volume two, three or four even!
Having more time than sense I compiled some suggestions for the sequels - keeping within the same time-frame and drawn from the main catalogue Also trying to go a little way with what the Stones might consider themselves - (what is a rarity to them?)

Vol II

01 One Hit To The Body (London mix) 1986
02 Jump On Top Of Me - B-side 1994
03 Gimme Shelter (live - Amsterdam 1994) B-side
04 Everything Is Turning To Gold - B-side 1978
05 Highwire (LP version - Flashpoint 1991)
06 Cook Cook Blues - B-side 1989
07 The Storm - B-side 1994
08 Terrifying (12" remix) 1990
09 I'm Gonna Drive (B-side 1994)
10 Dance (instrumental) - promo 12" 1981
11 So Young - B-side 1994
12 Too Much Blood (long Dance version) 12" single 1984 + Sad Sad Sad CD single
13 I Think I'm Going Mad - B-side 1984
14 Honest I Do (Hope Floats soundtrack 1998)
15 Sexdrive (LP version - Flashpoint 1991)
15 Undercover (Dub version) 12" single 1991


Rarities Vol III - live cuts.
(All officially released- some more thought would have to be put into the order they are presented - here randomly are...)

01 Undercover (Atlantic City 1989)
02 All Down The Line (Amsterdam 1994)
03 Gimme Shelter (Atlantic City 89 - shelter benefit release)
04 Harlem Shuffle (Tokyo 1990)
05 I Just Wanna Make Love To You (London 1990)
06 Play With Fire (live USA 1989)
07 When The Whip Comes Down (Detroit 1978
08 Tumbling Dice (London 1990)
09 Street Fighting Man (London 1990)
10 Live With Me (London 1995)
11 Out Of Control (Miami 1994)
12 Angie (Tokyo 1998 from Japanese BTB CD)
13 2,000 Light Years From Home (Barcelona 1990) (the edit version on CD single)
14 Black Limousine (London 1995)
15 I Go Wild (Miami 1994)
16 Dance Pt1 (Olympia 2003- fm licks tour) [or another]

Rarities Vol IV
That leaves many remixes and other versions still unnused. A lot of longish 12" mixes together, won't work well for a snappy listenable 1xCD -

She Was Hot (video rewind version)
Love Is Strong (Bob Clearmountain remix 1994) + others
I Go Wild (Scott Little remix 1995)
Harlem Shuffle (London mix)
Winning Ugly (New York & London mixes)
Too Much Blood (dub version) + Too Much Blood (short dance version)
Feel On Baby (instrumental dub)
Rock & A Hard Place (dance mix) + others
Anybody seen My Baby (remix) + others
Saint Of M (Ted Riley extended remix) + others
Don't Stop (rock mix)
Out Of Control (several mixes)
You Got Me Rocking (several mixes)
Sexdrive (12" mixes)

enough already!!

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: JK ()
Date: November 17, 2005 17:36

B.B.King & The Rolling Stones: "Paying The Cost To Be The Boss".
From B.B. King duets album "Deuces Wild".

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: sf37 ()
Date: November 17, 2005 17:37

Here's one more notable track for a rarities collection - - Highland Fling (the Stones performing with the Chieftans).

Did the Stones also perform "Natural Magic" from the Performance soundtrack, or was that someone else?

Ride like the wind at double speed.....

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: Potted Shrimp ()
Date: November 17, 2005 17:45

revolver Wrote:
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> You misunderstood me ohnonotyouagain.
>
> Criss Cross Man is NOT from a Japanese version of
> Metamorphosis.
>
> It is from a Japanese FILM called Metamorphosis.
> The two titles has nothing to do with each other.
>
>
> So while it is not released on record, it features
> in the film. The same goes for Honest I Do
> (remake)
>
> CCM is from 1972/73.


This version (from Metamorphosis) is the unedited version III (with sax). A short fragmnent of version III (1:36) is available on boot. THe IV version (from the movie) is not available on cd (as far as I know).

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: rumple21 ()
Date: November 17, 2005 17:54

sf37 I think you're thinking of 'The Rocky Road To Dublin' which the Stones performed with the Dubliners. Released on 'The Long Black Viel' CD

As far as I know - no Stones were involved in the recording of 'Natural Magic'.

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: rumple21 ()
Date: November 17, 2005 18:01

oops sorry bout my spelling 'Veil' of course.
'Highland Fling' is one of the tracks featured on the 'Jamming With Edward' CD

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: sf37 ()
Date: November 17, 2005 18:05

Yes, rumple21, you're right: I did mean to quote "The Rocky Road To Dublin". I since noticed this was addressed earlier in this thread as well, so I apologize for my brain cramp!

Thanks too for the info on "Natural Magic". Cheers!

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: November 17, 2005 23:08

revolver Wrote:
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> You misunderstood me ohnonotyouagain.
>
> Criss Cross Man is NOT from a Japanese version of
> Metamorphosis.
>
> It is from a Japanese FILM called Metamorphosis.
> The two titles has nothing to do with each other.
>
>
> So while it is not released on record, it features
> in the film. The same goes for Honest I Do
> (remake)
>
> CCM is from 1972/73.

You're right, I misunderstood about Chris Cross Man, sorry.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-11-17 23:31 by ohnonotyouagain.

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: November 18, 2005 00:10

I think I've got my final track listing. Thanks to everyone who helped me put this list together. It's every studio track that has been released since 1970 that doesn't appear on any studio album.

Excluded is anything that appears on Metamorphosis and anything that appears in an obscure Japanese film called Metamorphosis. Also excluded are alternate versions of all types, which includes remixes, dubs, instrumentals, 12 inch versions, 7 inch versions, promo versions, clean versions, edited versions, full-length versions, single versions and dance versions.

I changed my mind and decided to include the B.B. King and Chieftians guest appearances because they feature all four members and are credited to The Rolling Stones and not just one or more individual members.

Here’s my final list:

Disc 1:
1. Exile On Main Street Blues (promotional magazine release)
2. Through The Lonely Nights (B Side of It's Only Rock 'N' Roll)
3. Everything Is Turning To Gold (B Side to Shattered and also on Sucking In The '70s)
4. If I Was A Dancer (Sucking In The '70s)
5. Think I'm Going Mad (B Side to She Was Hot)
6. Fancy Man Blues (B Side to Mixed Emotions)
7. Cook Cook Blues (B Side to Rock And A Hard Place)
8. Wish I'd Never Met You (B Side of Terrifying)
9. Highwire (Flashpoint)
10. Sex Drive (Flashpoint)
11. The Storm (B Side to Love Is Strong)
12. So Young (B Side to Love Is Strong)
13. Jump On Top Of Me (B Side to You Got Me Rockin')
14. I'm Gonna Drive (B Side to Out Of Tears)

Disc 2:
1. The Rocky Road To Dublin (with the Chieftians on their 1995 album Long Black Veil)
2. Anyway You Look At It (B Side to Saint Of Me)
3. Paying The Cost To Be The Boss (with B.B. King, on King's 1997 album Deuces Wild)
4. Honest I Do (Stripped outtake, released on Hope Floats soundtrack)
5. Don't Stop (Forty Licks)
6. Keys To Your Love (Forty Licks)
7. Stealing My Heart (Forty Licks)
8. Losing My Touch (Forty Licks)
9. Extreme Western Grip (Four Flicks)
10. Well Well (Four Flicks)
11. Hurricane (Red Cross charity single)
12. Under The Radar (A Bigger Bang Special Edition)
13. Don't Wanna Go Home (A Bigger Bang Special Edition)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-11-18 02:38 by ohnonotyouagain.

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: revolver ()
Date: November 18, 2005 16:18

Why not "Criss cross Man"?

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Date: November 18, 2005 16:37

revolver Wrote:
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> Why not "Criss cross Man"?

Why not ever shit and fart the Stones ever shat and furt? Why not the interview from the 1983 Beggars Banquert fan club EP?

Collecting is not about buying an album entitled RARITIES. Seen in this light it's alright the Stones are offering us such a stupid release as RARITIES since the real fans have long gotten hold of all the tracks on that CD. So who will buy this album?

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: Reptile ()
Date: November 18, 2005 16:38

This topic is dumb... what's the use of doing this?

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: sf37 ()
Date: November 18, 2005 17:35

ohnonotyouagain, this is a terrific track listing - - with the exception of Hurricane (which I don't have), I may run with your idea and make one of these exact compilation CDs myself! It would certainly save me some CD space in my collection, knowing all these tracks are on one disk instead of scattered over several.

Now, the next task is to compile another CD package that includes all those alternate versions (i.e. those remixes, dubs, instrumentals, 12 inch versions, 7 inch versions, promo versions, clean versions, edited versions, full-length versions, single versions, dance versions and such)!!

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: November 19, 2005 01:12

Reptile Wrote:
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> This topic is dumb... what's the use of doing
> this?

The reason I'm doing this is because I want a compilation where I can say "if you have this, plus every studio album and Metamorphosis, you have every studio track they've ever recorded (1970 and up)." Some of the songs we're discussing are quite good, but I rarely listen to them because they are spread out on about a dozen sources.

The Beatles did this in 1988 with two albums, Past Masters Vol. 1 and Vol. 2. If you have those two plus all the Beatles studio albums, you have all their studio stuff. I thought it was a good idea on their part and wanted to do something similar with the Stones.

Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: November 19, 2005 01:18

sf37 Wrote:
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> ohnonotyouagain, this is a terrific track listing
> - - with the exception of Hurricane (which I don't
> have), I may run with your idea and make one of
> these exact compilation CDs myself! It would
> certainly save me some CD space in my collection,
> knowing all these tracks are on one disk instead
> of scattered over several.
>
> Now, the next task is to compile another CD
> package that includes all those alternate versions
> (i.e. those remixes, dubs, instrumentals, 12 inch
> versions, 7 inch versions, promo versions, clean
> versions, edited versions, full-length versions,
> single versions, dance versions and such)!!
>

That would be the next task. You should start a thread on it, you've already named quite a few and seem very knowledgeable on this subject. I have about four of the many remixes, that is it. There are so very, very many of them. I would guess roughly a hundred or more?

If someone could compile a complete list of all those babies they would deserve a reward. Even if we had a complete list it would still be damn hard to find each and every one of those so you could burn them to CDs. I wonder if there is anyone on the planet who has every single remix/alternate version ever done?


Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: November 19, 2005 01:30

revolver Wrote:
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> Why not "Criss cross Man"?

It does appear that it was officially released, but I can find no mention of either the film or the soundtrack anywhere on the internet. Do you have a link to any info about either of them?

My thinking is that even if this is considered an official release, and it probably should be, the film and the soundtrack are so incredibly difficult to find that it might as well be a bootleg.

The ironic thing is that while a copy of the film and/or soundtrack (the official releases) are very difficult to find, bootleg versions of the song have been circulating for years and are easily obtained. I got one from this board months ago and some have had it since the '70s. So while it is technically an official release, it really has more of the characteristics of a bootleg, so I've decided to classify it as such.

That will be another thread at some point, list every unofficially-released (in other words, bootleged) studio track that's ever come out. We should certainly have a very long list by the time we're done. There are bound to be 100 or more of those as well.



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Re: Gazza, with sssoul And Other Experts ... Need Your Help Assembling A Track List For A Better Rarities Album
Posted by: sf37 ()
Date: November 21, 2005 21:49

Good idea ohnonotyouagain. I think I will start a new thread shortly pertaining to those remixes. Maybe we can get a comprehensive list with everyone's input.

In the meantime, can anyone please possibly provide a link to download the tracks "Honest I Do" (from "Hope Floats", which I can't find), "Extreme Western Grip" and "Well Well" (from the "Four Flicks" DVD)? I'd love to get a copy of these on a CD if possible to complete the above track listing.

Thanks!

Ride like the wind at double speed.....

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