Lets hope this keeps up well into the san fran shows

Gazza Wrote:
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> bv Wrote:
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> > They don't listen. They rule. It has been the
> plan
> > all the way. You don't tell Picasso how he
> should
> > paint his art.
>
> just to add to that..I thought the justification
> behind the repetitive and 'safe' setlists up until
> yesterday was precisely the opposite of what
> you're now saying - namely, they're playing what
> most people want/demand/expect them to play and
> not necessarily what they themselves feel like
> playing.
>
>

With all due respect to our host, I wish BV were correct on this and I hope that the Stones may yet lead, rather than pander...

And right on to Gazza for jumping on the contradiction.

i dont care what the reason is, i am just hoping it is good news for the MSG shows in January

Gazza Wrote:
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> bv Wrote:
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> > They don't listen. They rule. It has been the
> plan
> > all the way. You don't tell Picasso how he
> should
> > paint his art. And the Stones do their own
> stuff
> > without having to check out what impatient
> hard
> > core fans think.
>
> actually I think they DO listen - sometimes
>
> Its no coincidence that on recent tours, long
> neglected and forgotten songs like Moonlight Mile
> (No Security) and CYHMK (Licks) were brought into
> the set which had topped fans' wish-lists for some
> time and been the subject of much debate on
> internet forums. Same with the inclusion of 'Sway'
> on this tour at one show.
>
> Not that they're going to build a show around such
> songs - nor should they be expected to - but they
> are conscious to some degree of what 'lost gems'
> hardcore fans are clamouring to hear. Playing
> those songs are a reaction to that.

Well said, I agree. And hats off to the Stones for giving us an interesting setlist!

by the way, now that the Stones have "answered" or have "listened" to their critics by cranking out a great setlist last night, does that mean that the critics/setlist whiners (feel free to choose the insult of your choice) deserve a pat on the back for successfully 'encouraging' the Stones to make the show more interesting?

Christ! I hope I can hear them do "As Tears Go By" come Tuesday!

Either Tears or Lady Jane shoudl be in every show...it would be refreshing for us and them. And tell me (pun intended) the crowd wouldn't go wild if the did Out of Time or Mother's Little Helper...

What's about Ronnie and his guitar work?

Although a lot of people sat down during the three song ABB set last night in Hollywood, the applause were loud after each new song.

open g i wish you were at msg in september,you'd be eating those words.

john scialfa

Gazza Wrote:
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> by the way, now that the Stones have "answered" or
> have "listened" to their critics by cranking out a
> great setlist last night, does that mean that the
> critics/setlist whiners (feel free to choose the
> insult of your choice) deserve a pat on the back
> for successfully 'encouraging' the Stones to make
> the show more interesting?


yes,cmon gazza you have to admit the set was a bit lame until last night,
you have to believe now that the stones read this board, what happened last nite
was not just by chance, it was a reaction to the critics for sure

I have to admit?? LOL...Of course it was 'a bit lame', thats my point...

and yeah, i think it was a reaction (not just on this board but on plenty of others too)

Gazza Wrote:
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>
> and yeah, i think it was a reaction (not just on
> this board but on plenty of others too)


yes indeed,see we can get to the stones if we keep bitching and moaning,
hey mick now that we know you read the board, may we please have a 2 dvd
set of the 73 tour with a 50 page booklet, or is that too much too ask



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-11-10 02:54 by melillo.

May be memory is hard to come by. After all it is a long time since 1997. This is exactly how they develop their shows and tours every time. They bring in some new songs. Then they play that set for a while. Then they bring in another new song from their new album. After a while. And so on. This is what happend in 1997:

Sep 21: Tour start Chicago. Anybody Seen My Baby, Out Of Control
Oct 10: Flip The Switch
Nov 07: Saint Of Me
Nov 19: You Don't Have To Mean It

They did not start playing the entire Bridges To Babylon album right away.

By the way, I don't say they don't care about or don't listen to the fans. Sure they listen to the fans. But they don't care about people who constantly keep complaining about all sorts of things. They have been in this business for more than 40 years and have some system of what they do. That is why it is nice to see a show every now and then, because you are bound to get a new song eventually.

Bjornulf

1962 Wrote:
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> They are of course the greatest live band today
> and of all times. Nobody is close to them.


I saw them last night in Hollywood. It was wonderful, one of my favorites of 10 or so since '81. However, you are delsuional if you think they are currently the greatest live band. Show, spectacle, excitement, maybe. Musical performance? Maybe for a few seconds here and there throughout the night. Too many flubbed solos and riffs. Keith and Ron could really improve their solos. I didn't hear one that I thought they "nailed". Ron doesn't even play the solo on Shattered, and Can't Always Get was more feedback and bending and posing than anything else. After playing She So Cold almost every night, you'd think Keith could remember where the bridge is (even my girlfriend noticed). The solos in Sympathy just aren't that good. Just stating facts... had a great time, not complaining.

Actually, Keith is lucky he doesn't get ripped by critics (who don't get his schtick) in every city for his performance during his set.

Love 'em.