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Doxa
In reality there was never that 'choice'. The whole Red Devils thing was a side project that took place alongside WANDERING SPIRIT main project. Rubin just took Mick to their gig and later to studio with them to loose him up or vitalize him or something. The results were good enough for a nice side release (that never happened), but the goal was all the time WANDERING SPIRIT based on original material.
- Doxa
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Hmm... a bit lazy journalism. Like it was a choice between a blues cover album with The Red Devils recorded in one day and WANDERING SPIRIT. And had they opted with the former that would made better than selling gold and resonating more? Hmm.. years later BLUE & LONESOME was a surprising commercial success, but I have my doubts that the Devils album wouldn't have much impact at the time. If that had been relaesed (instead WANDERING SPIRIT) probably Mick had won some street credibility back among his toughest critics (Stones fans, rock press), but thats' about it. Besides WANDERING SPIRIT was a nice commercial success plus it had that 'getting credibility back' effect after the fiasco of PRIMITIVE COOL. For many the 'best Stones album' for ages.
In reality there was never that 'choice'. The whole Red Devils thing was a side project that took place alongside WANDERING SPIRIT main project. Rubin just took Mick to their gig and later to studio with them to loose him up or vitalize him or something. The results were good enough for a nice side release (that never happened), but the goal was all the time WANDERING SPIRIT based on original material.
The dude is re-writing history there to make a point I guess...
- Doxa
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Hmm... a bit lazy journalism. Like it was a choice between a blues cover album with The Red Devils recorded in one day and WANDERING SPIRIT. And had they opted with the former that would made better than selling gold and resonating more? Hmm.. years later BLUE & LONESOME was a surprising commercial success, but I have my doubts that the Devils album wouldn't have much impact at the time. If that had been relaesed (instead WANDERING SPIRIT) probably Mick had won some street credibility back among his toughest critics (Stones fans, rock press), but thats' about it. Besides WANDERING SPIRIT was a nice commercial success plus it had that 'getting credibility back' effect after the fiasco of PRIMITIVE COOL. For many the 'best Stones album' for ages.
In reality there was never that 'choice'. The whole Red Devils thing was a side project that took place alongside WANDERING SPIRIT main project. Rubin just took Mick to their gig and later to studio with them to loose him up or vitalize him or something. The results were good enough for a nice side release (that never happened), but the goal was all the time WANDERING SPIRIT based on original material.
The dude is re-writing history there to make a point I guess...
- Doxa
I remember it a bit differently. From a report back then, I recall that Atlantic were presented with the blues recordings as Jagger's solo album and turned it down due to "lack of commercial value" and insisted on an album consisting of all-new Jagger originals (and obviously didn't mind a cover or two in the end). The story was that Mick did the blues recordings with the Red Devils to get out of the contract with Atlantic, indicating that he indeed tried to save the songs for the upcoming Stones album, at least the songs that were Stones-compatible (and that's true for the majority of Wandering Spirit imo).
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Hmm... a bit lazy journalism. Like it was a choice between a blues cover album with The Red Devils recorded in one day and WANDERING SPIRIT. And had they opted with the former that would made better than selling gold and resonating more? Hmm.. years later BLUE & LONESOME was a surprising commercial success, but I have my doubts that the Devils album wouldn't have much impact at the time. If that had been relaesed (instead WANDERING SPIRIT) probably Mick had won some street credibility back among his toughest critics (Stones fans, rock press), but thats' about it. Besides WANDERING SPIRIT was a nice commercial success plus it had that 'getting credibility back' effect after the fiasco of PRIMITIVE COOL. For many the 'best Stones album' for ages.
In reality there was never that 'choice'. The whole Red Devils thing was a side project that took place alongside WANDERING SPIRIT main project. Rubin just took Mick to their gig and later to studio with them to loose him up or vitalize him or something. The results were good enough for a nice side release (that never happened), but the goal was all the time WANDERING SPIRIT based on original material.
The dude is re-writing history there to make a point I guess...
- Doxa
I remember it a bit differently. From a report back then, I recall that Atlantic were presented with the blues recordings as Jagger's solo album and turned it down due to "lack of commercial value" and insisted on an album consisting of all-new Jagger originals (and obviously didn't mind a cover or two in the end). The story was that Mick did the blues recordings with the Red Devils to get out of the contract with Atlantic, indicating that he indeed tried to save the songs for the upcoming Stones album, at least the songs that were Stones-compatible (and that's true for the majority of Wandering Spirit imo).
That's more than interesting! I have never heard anything of the sort!
But the bit about "get out of the contract with Atlantic"... wasn't WANDERING SPIRIT just a one album deal with Atlantic? His previous solo albums were part - infamously married with the Stones albums - of the Columbia/CBS deal. The Stones were at the time negotating a new deal (that they ended up making with Virgin) and my picture is that Mick made sure that his solo album was not associated any way with it. That's why Atlantic (of course, a familiar company for him from the past).
Of course, it being just one album deal doesn't mean that Mick didn't tried to fill it with a blues album. But that presupposes that he had changed his mind and instead of using his new material there he wanted to save them for the Stones (oh man, how much better VOODOO LOUNGE had been...).
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Hmm... a bit lazy journalism. Like it was a choice between a blues cover album with The Red Devils recorded in one day and WANDERING SPIRIT. And had they opted with the former that would made better than selling gold and resonating more? Hmm.. years later BLUE & LONESOME was a surprising commercial success, but I have my doubts that the Devils album wouldn't have much impact at the time. If that had been relaesed (instead WANDERING SPIRIT) probably Mick had won some street credibility back among his toughest critics (Stones fans, rock press), but thats' about it. Besides WANDERING SPIRIT was a nice commercial success plus it had that 'getting credibility back' effect after the fiasco of PRIMITIVE COOL. For many the 'best Stones album' for ages.
In reality there was never that 'choice'. The whole Red Devils thing was a side project that took place alongside WANDERING SPIRIT main project. Rubin just took Mick to their gig and later to studio with them to loose him up or vitalize him or something. The results were good enough for a nice side release (that never happened), but the goal was all the time WANDERING SPIRIT based on original material.
The dude is re-writing history there to make a point I guess...
- Doxa
I remember it a bit differently. From a report back then, I recall that Atlantic were presented with the blues recordings as Jagger's solo album and turned it down due to "lack of commercial value" and insisted on an album consisting of all-new Jagger originals (and obviously didn't mind a cover or two in the end). The story was that Mick did the blues recordings with the Red Devils to get out of the contract with Atlantic, indicating that he indeed tried to save the songs for the upcoming Stones album, at least the songs that were Stones-compatible (and that's true for the majority of Wandering Spirit imo).
That's more than interesting! I have never heard anything of the sort!
But the bit about "get out of the contract with Atlantic"... wasn't WANDERING SPIRIT just a one album deal with Atlantic? His previous solo albums were part - infamously married with the Stones albums - of the Columbia/CBS deal. The Stones were at the time negotating a new deal (that they ended up making with Virgin) and my picture is that Mick made sure that his solo album was not associated any way with it. That's why Atlantic (of course, a familiar company for him from the past).
Of course, it being just one album deal doesn't mean that Mick didn't tried to fill it with a blues album. But that presupposes that he had changed his mind and instead of using his new material there he wanted to save them for the Stones (oh man, how much better VOODOO LOUNGE had been...).
- Doxa
Maybe someone here who has his old music mags better organized and categorised, better still: digitalized, can help me out, but the aspect that Atlantic did not accept the blues album sticks in my mind. Keeping in mind that an early batch of sessions for Wandering Spirit had already took place in March 1992, only to be continued in June after the Red Devils affair plus the fact that Mick and Rick Rubin reportedly did not go along very well, it's very plausible that Mick saw this as an "escape" from the situation. Add to this the ongoing negotiations for a lucrative new Stones record deal and the fact that it could have helped to present some "demos" of excellent new material - good reasons enough for Mick to focus his creativity once more on the Stones and fulfil his solo obligations as quick and easy as possible.
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This should be a RSD release...I think it would be a relatively big seller and not that Blue and Lonesome did so well it would definitely find an audience, maybe not huge but what the hell.
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A shame Mick never released it officially - as a whole it's WAY better than any of his other officially released albums.
Similar to many fans thinking Blue and Lonesome as a whole is better than all of the last 35+ years of Stones albums,
the same could be said for the Mick and the Red Devils sessions being better than all his other lame albums.
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A shame Mick never released it officially - as a whole it's WAY better than any of his other officially released albums.
Similar to many fans thinking Blue and Lonesome as a whole is better than all of the last 35+ years of Stones albums,
the same could be said for the Mick and the Red Devils sessions being better than all his other lame albums.
I'm pretty sure if Keith had added a few licks on Wandering Spirit, you would call the very same album a "masterpiece".
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A shame Mick never released it officially - as a whole it's WAY better than any of his other officially released albums.
Similar to many fans thinking Blue and Lonesome as a whole is better than all of the last 35+ years of Stones albums,
the same could be said for the Mick and the Red Devils sessions being better than all his other lame albums.
I'm pretty sure if Keith had added a few licks on Wandering Spirit, you would call the very same album a "masterpiece".
I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that.
Keith adding a few licks certainly could have helped, but highly doubtful it could ever be a "masterpiece",
Probably end up similar to A Bigger Bang or some other mediocre Stones album.
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A shame Mick never released it officially - as a whole it's WAY better than any of his other officially released albums.
Similar to many fans thinking Blue and Lonesome as a whole is better than all of the last 35+ years of Stones albums,
the same could be said for the Mick and the Red Devils sessions being better than all his other lame albums.
I'm pretty sure if Keith had added a few licks on Wandering Spirit, you would call the very same album a "masterpiece".
I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that.
Keith adding a few licks certainly could have helped, but highly doubtful it could ever be a "masterpiece",
Probably end up similar to A Bigger Bang or some other mediocre Stones album.
I'm pretty sure you don't tell us the truth.
And if you tell us the truth, I'm pretty sure you don't like Stones music all too much, because that's what Wandering Spirit basically is.
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A shame Mick never released it officially - as a whole it's WAY better than any of his other officially released albums.
Similar to many fans thinking Blue and Lonesome as a whole is better than all of the last 35+ years of Stones albums,
the same could be said for the Mick and the Red Devils sessions being better than all his other lame albums.
I'm pretty sure if Keith had added a few licks on Wandering Spirit, you would call the very same album a "masterpiece".
I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that.
Keith adding a few licks certainly could have helped, but highly doubtful it could ever be a "masterpiece",
Probably end up similar to A Bigger Bang or some other mediocre Stones album.
I'm pretty sure you don't tell us the truth.
And if you tell us the truth, I'm pretty sure you don't like Stones music all too much, because that's what Wandering Spirit basically is.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong again, as Wandering Spirit is very far from being the Rolling Stones - not basically, and not even close.
Sounds to me like you're telling us you don't like the Stones all too much, and prefer Mick Jagger solo albums better. Very strange.
And for the record, I always tell the truth, and for me the truth is Mick and the Red Devils is far better than anything else he's released.
In fact it's actually closer to the Stones than anything else he's released - going back to his the roots with blues covers ala Blue and Lonesome.
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Imho the results of Mick’S session with the Red Devils were underwhelming compared to the Red Devils’ King King album. The whole was not greater than the sum of its parts.
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A shame Mick never released it officially - as a whole it's WAY better than any of his other officially released albums.
Similar to many fans thinking Blue and Lonesome as a whole is better than all of the last 35+ years of Stones albums,
the same could be said for the Mick and the Red Devils sessions being better than all his other lame albums.
I'm pretty sure if Keith had added a few licks on Wandering Spirit, you would call the very same album a "masterpiece".
I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that.
Keith adding a few licks certainly could have helped, but highly doubtful it could ever be a "masterpiece",
Probably end up similar to A Bigger Bang or some other mediocre Stones album.
I'm pretty sure you don't tell us the truth.
And if you tell us the truth, I'm pretty sure you don't like Stones music all too much, because that's what Wandering Spirit basically is.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong again, as Wandering Spirit is very far from being the Rolling Stones - not basically, and not even close.
Sounds to me like you're telling us you don't like the Stones all too much, and prefer Mick Jagger solo albums better. Very strange.
And for the record, I always tell the truth, and for me the truth is Mick and the Red Devils is far better than anything else he's released.
In fact it's actually closer to the Stones than anything else he's released - going back to his the roots with blues covers ala Blue and Lonesome.
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A shame Mick never released it officially - as a whole it's WAY better than any of his other officially released albums.
Similar to many fans thinking Blue and Lonesome as a whole is better than all of the last 35+ years of Stones albums,
the same could be said for the Mick and the Red Devils sessions being better than all his other lame albums.
I'm pretty sure if Keith had added a few licks on Wandering Spirit, you would call the very same album a "masterpiece".
I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that.
Keith adding a few licks certainly could have helped, but highly doubtful it could ever be a "masterpiece",
Probably end up similar to A Bigger Bang or some other mediocre Stones album.
I'm pretty sure you don't tell us the truth.
And if you tell us the truth, I'm pretty sure you don't like Stones music all too much, because that's what Wandering Spirit basically is.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong again, as Wandering Spirit is very far from being the Rolling Stones - not basically, and not even close.
Sounds to me like you're telling us you don't like the Stones all too much, and prefer Mick Jagger solo albums better. Very strange.
And for the record, I always tell the truth, and for me the truth is Mick and the Red Devils is far better than anything else he's released.
In fact it's actually closer to the Stones than anything else he's released - going back to his the roots with blues covers ala Blue and Lonesome.
I'm pretty sure I did not say Wandering Spirit is the Rolling Stones but that it's Rolling Stones music (=Stones compatible), and yes, I like it far better than Voodoo Lounge.
As a fan of the Red Devils, too I would love an official release with better sound quality; it's great but not better nor worse than WS imo.
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A shame Mick never released it officially - as a whole it's WAY better than any of his other officially released albums.
Similar to many fans thinking Blue and Lonesome as a whole is better than all of the last 35+ years of Stones albums,
the same could be said for the Mick and the Red Devils sessions being better than all his other lame albums.
I'm pretty sure if Keith had added a few licks on Wandering Spirit, you would call the very same album a "masterpiece".
I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that.
Keith adding a few licks certainly could have helped, but highly doubtful it could ever be a "masterpiece",
Probably end up similar to A Bigger Bang or some other mediocre Stones album.
I'm pretty sure you don't tell us the truth.
And if you tell us the truth, I'm pretty sure you don't like Stones music all too much, because that's what Wandering Spirit basically is.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong again, as Wandering Spirit is very far from being the Rolling Stones - not basically, and not even close.
Sounds to me like you're telling us you don't like the Stones all too much, and prefer Mick Jagger solo albums better. Very strange.
And for the record, I always tell the truth, and for me the truth is Mick and the Red Devils is far better than anything else he's released.
In fact it's actually closer to the Stones than anything else he's released - going back to his the roots with blues covers ala Blue and Lonesome.
I'm pretty sure I did not say Wandering Spirit is the Rolling Stones but that it's Rolling Stones music (=Stones compatible), and yes, I like it far better than Voodoo Lounge.
As a fan of the Red Devils, too I would love an official release with better sound quality; it's great but not better nor worse than WS imo.
I'm pretty sure you inferred that Wandering Spirit is "basically" the Rolling Stones music by saying "...you don't like Stones music all too much, because that's what Wandering Spirit basically is".
But by listening to and looking at the credits for Wandering Spirit, hard to see how it can even be "basically" similar or "compatible" to the Rolling Stones music (to use your words).
No Keith, no Charlie, no Bill, no Ronnie. No Chuck, Darryl, Lisa, Bernard, etc., etc, etc. Instead there's a lengthy hodgepodge/mish mash list of musicians from Flea to Benmont Tench to Lenny Kravitz to whoever else.
Some of it might be an attempt to be a facsimile to the sound of the Stones' music, but alas it's bogged down with too many cooks, and ultimately comes nowhere close to the Stones imo.
David Bianco – synthesizer
Curt Bisquera – drums
Lenny Castro – percussion
Matt Clifford – virginal, harpsichord
Flea – bass guitar on "Out of Focus", "Use Me" and "I've Been Lonely for So Long"
Lynn Davis – backing vocals
Jim Keltner – drums on "Evening Gown"
Lenny Kravitz – vocals on "Use Me"
JayDee Maness – pedal steel guitar
Jean McClain – backing vocals
Pamela Quinlan - backing vocals
Robin McKidd – fiddle
Brendan O'Brien – guitar
Jeff Pescetto – backing vocals
John Pierce – bass guitar (tracks: 1, 4, 5, 7 to 11, 13, 14)
Courtney Pine – saxophone
Billy Preston – piano, Hammond organ, clavinet
Jimmy Rip – lead guitar, percussion
Frank Simes – guitar
Benmont Tench – piano, Hammond organ
Doug Wimbish – bass guitar on "Sweet Thing"
As for Mick and the Red Devils, again it's far better than anything else Mick has ever released outside of the Stones IN MY OPINION, and it's a shame it's never been officially released!