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Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: March 31, 2021 15:27

After listening to Voodoo Lounge Sessions (Stew/Brew/Residue and alternate takes) i'm ever more convinced that this album was a wasted opportunity.
VL had the potential to become a classic but too many mistakes were made: the producer (Rick Rubin/George Drakoulias were the best choice),the sound (muffled and too clean), the choice of songs to publish and those left out (The Storm, You Got It Made, So Young, Cocaine Blues. ..), interesting grooves not developed (Zulu, Samba, Monsoon Ragoon, Middle of the sea...).
What a pity!



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2021-03-31 23:31 by KRiffhard.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: March 31, 2021 15:42

Unfortunately with the exception of the brilliant Thru And Thru and the OKish I Go Wild, everything after the first 5 songs is utter rubbish and an embarrassment. Honestly, put any of those songs up even next to the rockers on Emotional Rescue and you'll know what I'm talking about. There ain't no roll. And not even no rock for that matter.

The songs that have stemmed from those sessions on the recent FF boot would have made VL a far stronger album.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2021-03-31 20:17 by Silver Dagger.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: March 31, 2021 15:48

Wow! I like almost all of VL.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: NilsHolgersson ()
Date: March 31, 2021 15:57





Great tune

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: tupelo68 ()
Date: March 31, 2021 16:02

I like it too.
Not a masterpiece but the album sounds good many years after (Undercover ??? Bridges ???).
Brilliant single (and brilliant video) with Love is Strong.
Variety (Moon is up, New faces, The Worst, Thru and thru, Brand New Car).
Great rockers (Spark will fly, mean disposition and its solos).
Good ballad (out of tears).
Never got tired of it

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: March 31, 2021 16:40

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Silver Dagger
Unfortunately with the exception of the brilliant Thru And Thru and the OKish I Go Wild, everything after the first 5 songs is utter rubbish and an embarrassment. Honestly, put any of those songs up even next to the rockers on Emotional Rescue and you'll know what I'm talking about. They ain't no roll. And not even no rock for that matter.

The songs that have stemmed from those sessions on the recent FF boot would have made VL a far stronger album.

Tracks 2 and 3 are rubbish and track 5 is just flake!

Love Is Strong, The Worst, Moon Is Up, Out Of Tears, I Go Wild, Baby Break It Down, Thru And Thru and Mean Disposition... that alone is a pretty damn good LP.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: March 31, 2021 16:41

I’m not saying it’s not a good album! But it could have been much better.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: March 31, 2021 16:43

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KRiffhard
I’m not saying it’s not a good album! But it could have been much better.


thumbs up

"No Anchovies, Please"

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: March 31, 2021 16:44

I forget the names but there are several instrumental tunes, the one with keyboard and harmonica especially, that are killer. It's Funny, the jazzy one, is nice. Of course, You Got It Made.

They certainly did leave some great music off in favor of some very awful mush. Alas, it was the beginning of their own new trend - really good tunes, some average tunes, and some really horrible awful tunes. That's VOODOO-BANG. The worst songs from the three LPs could make a double THE WORST OF THE ROLLING STONES alone. Throw in two of the four sappy cheesy love and heart LICKS tunes and it's a deluxe double worst of.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: rbk ()
Date: March 31, 2021 17:28

Pared down to 10-11 songs (standard LP length) VL is as good as anything in the Stones canon, except the Jimmy Miller years.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: EddieByword ()
Date: March 31, 2021 17:46

I made my own edited version which I quite like - 50 mins..

01 Moon is up
02 Love is strong
03 I go wild
04 The worst
05 Brand new car
06 Out of tears
07 I'm gonna drive
08 Jump on top of me
09 Thru and thru
10 Break it down
11 You got me rocking
12 Blinded by rainbows

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Sighunt ()
Date: March 31, 2021 18:40

Quote
EddieByword
I made my own edited version which I quite like - 50 mins..

01 Moon is up
02 Love is strong
03 I go wild
04 The worst
05 Brand new car
06 Out of tears
07 I'm gonna drive
08 Jump on top of me
09 Thru and thru
10 Break it down
11 You got me rocking
12 Blinded by rainbows

Recently, I have been listening to the Stones later day albums from Steel Wheels and beyond, and out of all of those albums, I've grown in my appreciation of Voodoo Lounge. I do agree with comments made by others over the years that if Voodoo Lounge was whittled down to 10-12 choice cuts like above, I think it would have been better received.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: March 31, 2021 18:57

Mine would be:

MJ side

I Go Wild
Jump On Top
Moon Is Up
Blinded By Rainbows (with new lyrics)
Out Of Tears

KR side

Love Is Strong
The Worst
Brand New Car
You Got It Made
Baby Break It Down
Thru and Thru

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: March 31, 2021 19:24

Creatively the Stones were done in the late seventies. Some Girls was the last LP that counted. In the eighties they could have stayed with their genre or follow trends.
They did something in between. To me their post 1981 output is pretty much irrelevant. Maybe with an exception for Undercover. Apparently Sir Michael thinks the same.
You just have to look at their setlists to realize that.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: rbk ()
Date: March 31, 2021 19:53

I go through phases but this is MY Voodoo Lounge, for the momentanyway.

1 I'm Gonna Drive
2 I Go Wild [Scott Litt Remix]
3 Sweethearts Together
4 Jump On Top Of Me
5 The Worst

1 Love Is Strong
2 You Got Me Rocking
3 Out Of Tears [Re-Mix Edit]
4 Suck On The Jugular
5 Sparks Will Fly

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Date: March 31, 2021 19:55

<Creatively the Stones were done in the late seventies>

Have you listened to Voodoo Brew/Stew/Residue?

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: EddieByword ()
Date: March 31, 2021 20:17

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Sighunt
Quote
EddieByword
I made my own edited version which I quite like - 50 mins..

01 Moon is up
02 Love is strong
03 I go wild
04 The worst
05 Brand new car
06 Out of tears
07 I'm gonna drive
08 Jump on top of me
09 Thru and thru
10 Break it down
11 You got me rocking
12 Blinded by rainbows

Recently, I have been listening to the Stones later day albums from Steel Wheels and beyond, and out of all of those albums, I've grown in my appreciation of Voodoo Lounge. I do agree with comments made by others over the years that if Voodoo Lounge was whittled down to 10-12 choice cuts like above, I think it would have been better received.

Yes, I agree. I guess with the appearance of CDs, a lot artists including the Stones got sucked up in the "Got to fill the CD" mentality.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: March 31, 2021 20:21

Quote
GasLightStreet
Quote
Silver Dagger
Unfortunately with the exception of the brilliant Thru And Thru and the OKish I Go Wild, everything after the first 5 songs is utter rubbish and an embarrassment. Honestly, put any of those songs up even next to the rockers on Emotional Rescue and you'll know what I'm talking about. They ain't no roll. And not even no rock for that matter.

The songs that have stemmed from those sessions on the recent FF boot would have made VL a far stronger album.

Tracks 2 and 3 are rubbish and track 5 is just flake!

Love Is Strong, The Worst, Moon Is Up, Out Of Tears, I Go Wild, Baby Break It Down, Thru And Thru and Mean Disposition... that alone is a pretty damn good LP.

Moon Is Up, Baby Break It Up, Mean Disposition, Out Of Tears - are you kidding me. This is the band that made Exile On Main Street, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers and they are stumbling into their old age. Really, give it up if you can't be tough any more. These songs are lame. It's old man's rock. I don't know when you first got into the band but I expect a hell of of a lot more.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: March 31, 2021 20:22

Quote
DandelionPowderman


Have you listened to Voodoo Brew/Stew/Residue?

A man who understands the true Rolling Stones. Thank you. The outtakes are better than the actual album.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: March 31, 2021 20:23

Quote
EddieByword
Quote
Sighunt
Quote
EddieByword
I made my own edited version which I quite like - 50 mins..

01 Moon is up
02 Love is strong
03 I go wild
04 The worst
05 Brand new car
06 Out of tears
07 I'm gonna drive
08 Jump on top of me
09 Thru and thru
10 Break it down
11 You got me rocking
12 Blinded by rainbows

Recently, I have been listening to the Stones later day albums from Steel Wheels and beyond, and out of all of those albums, I've grown in my appreciation of Voodoo Lounge. I do agree with comments made by others over the years that if Voodoo Lounge was whittled down to 10-12 choice cuts like above, I think it would have been better received.

Yes, I agree. I guess with the appearance of CDs, a lot artists including the Stones got sucked up in the "Got to fill the CD" mentality.

Absolutely Eddie. Less is more.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: March 31, 2021 20:29

My Voodoo Lounge Revisited:

I Go Wild (Alternate Take)
[youtu.be]

Love Is Strong (Extended Rock Version)
[youtu.be]

Cocaine Blues
[youtu.be]

You Got Me Rocking (Alt.)
[youtu.be]

The Storm
[youtu.be]

Sparks Will Fly
[youtu.be]

New Faces (Instrumental)
[youtu.be]

So Young
[youtu.be]

The Worst (live with W.Nelson and S.Crow)
[youtu.be]

Suck on the jugular (Alt.)
[youtu.be]

Moon is Up
[youtu.be]

You Got It Made
[youtu.be]

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: EddieByword ()
Date: March 31, 2021 20:30

Quote
Silver Dagger
Quote
EddieByword
Quote
Sighunt
Quote
EddieByword
I made my own edited version which I quite like - 50 mins..

01 Moon is up
02 Love is strong
03 I go wild
04 The worst
05 Brand new car
06 Out of tears
07 I'm gonna drive
08 Jump on top of me
09 Thru and thru
10 Break it down
11 You got me rocking
12 Blinded by rainbows

Recently, I have been listening to the Stones later day albums from Steel Wheels and beyond, and out of all of those albums, I've grown in my appreciation of Voodoo Lounge. I do agree with comments made by others over the years that if Voodoo Lounge was whittled down to 10-12 choice cuts like above, I think it would have been better received.

Yes, I agree. I guess with the appearance of CDs, a lot artists including the Stones got sucked up in the "Got to fill the CD" mentality.

Absolutely Eddie. Less is more.

smileys with beer ...............mind you, with my mentality 'A Bigger Bang' ended up as an EP.......>grinning smiley<

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: March 31, 2021 20:36

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EddieByword
Quote
Silver Dagger
Quote
EddieByword
Quote
Sighunt
Quote
EddieByword
I made my own edited version which I quite like - 50 mins..

01 Moon is up
02 Love is strong
03 I go wild
04 The worst
05 Brand new car
06 Out of tears
07 I'm gonna drive
08 Jump on top of me
09 Thru and thru
10 Break it down
11 You got me rocking
12 Blinded by rainbows

Recently, I have been listening to the Stones later day albums from Steel Wheels and beyond, and out of all of those albums, I've grown in my appreciation of Voodoo Lounge. I do agree with comments made by others over the years that if Voodoo Lounge was whittled down to 10-12 choice cuts like above, I think it would have been better received.

Yes, I agree. I guess with the appearance of CDs, a lot artists including the Stones got sucked up in the "Got to fill the CD" mentality.

Absolutely Eddie. Less is more.

smileys with beer ...............mind you, with my mentality 'A Bigger Bang' ended up as an EP.......>grinning smiley<

I'd have to agree. Four decent songs on that one. smileys with beer

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Date: March 31, 2021 20:39

Quote
Silver Dagger
Quote
DandelionPowderman


Have you listened to Voodoo Brew/Stew/Residue?

A man who understands the true Rolling Stones. Thank you. The outtakes are better than the actual album.

Sanctuary must be from these sessions as well?

My new favourite thumbs up

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: March 31, 2021 20:43

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DandelionPowderman
Quote
Silver Dagger
Quote
DandelionPowderman


Have you listened to Voodoo Brew/Stew/Residue?

A man who understands the true Rolling Stones. Thank you. The outtakes are better than the actual album.

Sanctuary must be from these sessions as well?

My new favourite thumbs up

HI DP!!!
So Sanctuary comes from Voodoo Lounge sessions? Is it for sure?

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: March 31, 2021 20:48

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DandelionPowderman
Quote
Silver Dagger
Quote
DandelionPowderman


Have you listened to Voodoo Brew/Stew/Residue?

A man who understands the true Rolling Stones. Thank you. The outtakes are better than the actual album.

Sanctuary must be from these sessions as well?

My new favourite thumbs up

Sanctuary is excellent but I thought it was from 1997 and Bridges To Babylon sessions. It has a kind of slowed down Out Of Control vibe to my ears.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Date: March 31, 2021 21:07

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Silver Dagger
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Quote
Silver Dagger
Quote
DandelionPowderman


Have you listened to Voodoo Brew/Stew/Residue?

A man who understands the true Rolling Stones. Thank you. The outtakes are better than the actual album.

Sanctuary must be from these sessions as well?

My new favourite thumbs up

Sanctuary is excellent but I thought it was from 1997 and Bridges To Babylon sessions. It has a kind of slowed down Out Of Control vibe to my ears.

Could be, but Keith's guitar has that Voodoo Lounge-ish sound to it..

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: March 31, 2021 21:47

Quote
Silver Dagger
Quote
EddieByword
Quote
Sighunt
Quote
EddieByword
I made my own edited version which I quite like - 50 mins..

01 Moon is up
02 Love is strong
03 I go wild
04 The worst
05 Brand new car
06 Out of tears
07 I'm gonna drive
08 Jump on top of me
09 Thru and thru
10 Break it down
11 You got me rocking
12 Blinded by rainbows

Recently, I have been listening to the Stones later day albums from Steel Wheels and beyond, and out of all of those albums, I've grown in my appreciation of Voodoo Lounge. I do agree with comments made by others over the years that if Voodoo Lounge was whittled down to 10-12 choice cuts like above, I think it would have been better received.

Yes, I agree. I guess with the appearance of CDs, a lot artists including the Stones got sucked up in the "Got to fill the CD" mentality.

Absolutely Eddie. Less is more.

Exile had more!

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Send It To me ()
Date: March 31, 2021 22:48

Leaving "the Storm" off was criminal, I love that track.

VL had a good philosophy and process, but they sort of blew their songwriting load on Wandering Spirit and Main Offender. I wish they'd saved those songs.

Re: Voodoo Lounge: a wasted opportunity
Posted by: Four Stone Walls ()
Date: April 1, 2021 00:44

Yes, I think that's what it was.

Their interest and creative interst was in their own projects.

Then, 'oh let's get together to record an album for a tour again'

Worst drum sound and bass of any Stones album.

4-5 nice songs

We all differ on which those are.

(ps fairly ignorant on the out-takes - except Storm, Jump ontem and one or two others. But that bass is so bad, had no appetite to investigate further)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-04-01 00:48 by Four Stone Walls.

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