FROM THE VAULT: L.A. FORUM (LIVE IN 1975)



There's been several LA 75 official releases. I'm not clear on what we had and what we just got What are the differences.

Originally (2014?) there was a DVD released from one show and an audio CD from another. Now there are two more releases.

I'd appreciate if someone Would you kindly explain the differences.

Thanks,
ExileStones


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UICY-79174 is the same as we already had in 2014 (audio portion in 2CD/DVD combo). Mixed by Bob Clearmountain.
UICY-79176 new mix of the same show. Brickwalled to death (DR5-6), overloaded with bass but guitars are placed at the edges of stereo panorama. So some people considered this mix as more punchy. I found it loud and ear bleeding. Mastered by Sam Wheat.
Some discussion is here
[iorr.org]



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ironbelly
UICY-79174 is the same as we already had in 2014 (audio portion in 2CD/DVD combo). Mixed by Bob Clearmountain.
UICY-79176 new mix of the same show. Brickwalled to death (DR5-6), overloaded with bass but guitars are placed at the edges of stereo panorama. So some people considered this mix as more punchy. I found it loud and ear bleeding. Mastered by Sam Wheat.
Some discussion is here
[iorr.org]

Thanks

Originally there was a DVD, CD and LPs released in 2014?

Either a CD/DVD or a vinyl/DVD-combo, if memory serves.



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DandelionPowderman
Either a CD/DVD or a vinyl/DVD-combo, if memory serves.

And Superdeluxe from WARD records in Japan WRDZZ-163
DVD - July 11 (or 12 if you trust to booklet)
2CD - Soundtrack from DVD not available anywhere else. July 11 (or 12 if you trust to booklet)
2CD - Well known show from July 13 available to the whole world
4LP - Toyo Kasei press made in Japan 4 Disc LP record. July 13.

I prefer the excellent set of Mike Millard audience recordings. The particular boot I have is called 'Whores, Cocaine and a bottle of Jack'. Highly recommended this, sound quality is excellent and really gives one a feel of being in attendance that polished soundboards just can't.

Thanks for everyone's help!

I just found this DVD:




The Rolling Stones
LA Forum (Live in 1975) [DVD] UIBY-15116

Release date: July 29, 2020

The Rolling Stones Live DVD

[30th Anniversary Coming to Japan]

A reissue of the video work released in 2014.
Includes July 12th, the fourth day of the Rolling Stones performances held at the LA Forum for five consecutive days from July 9th to 13th, 1975.

With Japanese subtitles

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Either a CD/DVD or a vinyl/DVD-combo, if memory serves.

And Superdeluxe from WARD records in Japan WRDZZ-163
DVD - July 11 (or 12 if you trust to booklet)
2CD - Soundtrack from DVD not available anywhere else. July 11 (or 12 if you trust to booklet)
2CD - Well known show from July 13 available to the whole world
4LP - Toyo Kasei press made in Japan 4 Disc LP record. July 13.

You know we don't trust the booklet!

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ironbelly

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DandelionPowderman
Either a CD/DVD or a vinyl/DVD-combo, if memory serves.

And Superdeluxe from WARD records in Japan WRDZZ-163
DVD - July 11 (or 12 if you trust to booklet)
2CD - Soundtrack from DVD not available anywhere else. July 11 (or 12 if you trust to booklet)
2CD - Well known show from July 13 available to the whole world
4LP - Toyo Kasei press made in Japan 4 Disc LP record. July 13.

FOUND IT! Thanks





The Rolling Stones – L.A. Forum (Live 1975)
Label: Ward Records – WRDZZ-163
Series: Rolling Stones From The Vault –
Formats: 4 × Vinyl, LP, Album, DVD-Video, 4 × CD, Box Set, T-shirt, 2 books
Country: Japan
Released: 2014


Tracklist
A1 Honky Tonk Women 5:29
A2 All Down The Line 4:05
A3 If You Can't Rock Me / Get Off Of My Cloud 7:06
B1 Star Star 5:08
B2 Gimme Shelter 6:12
B3 Ain't Too Proud To Beg 4:07
C1 You Gotta Move 4:51
C2 You Can't Always Get What You Want 15:02
D1 Happy 4:21
D2 Tumbling Dice 5:24
D3 band intros 1:21
D4 It's Only Rock'n Roll 6:04
E1 Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) 5:03
E2 Fingerprint File 9:23
E3 Angie 5:02
F1 Wild Horses 7:41
F2 That's Life 3:17
F3 Outta Space 4:05
F4 Brown Sugar 3:59
G1 Midnight Rambler 15:31
G2 Rip This Joint 2:06
G3 Street Fighting Man 4:03
H1 Jumpin' Jack Flash 7:00
H2 Sympathy For The Devil 10:22
DVD-1 Introduction - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-2 Honky Tonk Women - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-3 All Down The Line - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-4 If You Can't Rock Me / Get Off Of My Cloud - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-5 Star Star - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-6 Gimme Shelter - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-7 Ain't Too Pride To Beg - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-8 You Gotta Move - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-9 You Can't Always Get What You Want - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-10 Happy - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-11 Tumbling Dice - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-12 It's Only Rock 'n' Roll - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-13 Band Intros - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-14 Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-15 Fingerprint File - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-16 Angie - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-17 Wild Horses - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-18 That's Life - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-19 Outa Space - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-20 Brown Sugar - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-21 Mindnight Rambler - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-22 Rip This Joint - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-23 Street Fighting Man - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-24 Jumpin' Jack Flash - Live July 11, 1975
DVD-25 Sympathy For The Devil - Live July 11, 1975
CD1-1 Honky Tonk Women - Live July 13, 1975 5:29
CD1-2 All Down The Line - Live July 13, 1975 4:05
CD1-3 If You Can't Rock Me / Get Off Of My Cloud - Live July 13, 1975 3:24
CD1-4 Star Star - Live July 13, 1975 4:45
CD1-5 Gimme Shelter - Live July 13, 1975 6:12
CD1-6 Ain't Too Proud To Beg - Live July 13, 1975 4:24
CD1-7 You Gotta Move - Live July 13, 1975 4:32
CD1-8 You Can't Always Get What You Want - Live July 13, 1975 15:23
CD1-9 Happy - Live July 13, 1975 3:58
CD1-10 Tumbling Dice - Live July 13, 1975 5:23
CD1-11 Band Intros - Live July 13, 1975 1:21
CD1-12 It's Only Rock 'n' Roll - Live July 13, 1975 6:04
CD1-13 Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) - Live July 13, 1975 4:35
CD2-1 Fingerprint File - Live July 13, 1975 9:23
CD2-2 Angie - Live July 13, 1975 5:18
CD2-3 Wild Horses - Live July 13, 1975 7:25
CD2-4 That's Life - Live July 13, 1975 3:17
CD2-5 Outa-Space - Live July 13, 1975 4:05
CD2-6 Brown Sugar - Live July 13, 1975 4:15
CD2-7 Midnight Rambler - Live July 13, 1975 15:15
CD2-8 Rip This Joint - Live July 13, 1975 2:06
CD2-9 Street Fighting Man - Live July 13, 1975 4:05
CD2-10 Jumpin' Jack Flash - Live July 13, 1975 6:57
CD2-11 Sympathy For The Devil - Live July 13, 1975 10:21
CD3-1 Honky Tonk Women - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-2 All Down The Line - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-3 If You Can't Rock Me / Get Off Of My Cloud - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-4 Star Star - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-5 Gimme Shelter - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-6 Ain't Too Proud To Beg - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-7 You Gotta Move - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-8 You Can't Always Get What You Want - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-9 Happy - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-10 Tumbling Dice - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-11 It's Only Rock 'n' Roll - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-12 Band Intros - Live July 11, 1975
CD3-13 Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) - Live July 11, 1975
CD4-1 Fingerprint File - Live July 11, 1975
CD4-2 Angie - Live July 11, 1975
CD4-3 Wild Horses - Live July 11, 1975
CD4-4 That's Life - Live July 11, 1975
CD4-5 Outa-Space - Live July 11, 1975
CD4-6 Brown Sugar - Live July 11, 1975
CD4-7 Mindnight Rambler - Live July 11, 1975
CD4-8 Rip This Joint - Live July 11, 1975
CD4-9 Street Fighting Man - Live July 11, 1975
CD4-10 Jumpin' Jack Flash - Live July 11, 1975
CD4-11 Sympathy For The Devil - Live July 11, 1975


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I believe that the dvd video is from the 12th. The original “LA Friday Night” article from Rolling Stone magazine (where Jann Wenner gushed about the show he’d just seen... “best Stones show ever!”) featured photos labeled from Friday night which was the 11th. Jagger wore his striped PJ outfit, Keith all in yellow in those pics. As we know the dvd shows MJ decked out in white linen, Keith in black. So based on those magazine photos, the dvd performance was not from Friday July 11th but more likely the 12th. (I wonder if Wenner got to see Sunday the 13th??)

So.........................we already have everything mentioned here. That was a long way for nothing.

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ironbelly
UICY-79174 is the same as we already had in 2014 (audio portion in 2CD/DVD combo). Mixed by Bob Clearmountain.
UICY-79176 new mix of the same show. Brickwalled to death (DR5-6), overloaded with bass but guitars are placed at the edges of stereo panorama. So some people considered this mix as more punchy. I found it loud and ear bleeding. Mastered by Sam Wheat.
Some discussion is here
[iorr.org]

Just started listening to the "New Mix", agree 100% with your assessment. Made the Clearmountain sound unbelievably good by comparison. Besides the SHM-CD, was the 2014 also tweaked for 2020?

Is there any difference on the artwork or discs between UICY-79174 and UICY-79176 except for the very small written numbers? I mean, where do I see which mix it is?

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Is there any difference on the artwork or discs between UICY-79174 and UICY-79176 except for the very small written numbers? I mean, where do I see which mix it is?

Looks like the difference is the Catalog-Number in the fine-print (lower right corner), the new Mix has a Introduction, the old Mix has additionally (P) 2014 in the fine-print:


UICY-79174/5 - [www.Amazon.co.jp]



UICY-79176/7 - [www.Amazon.co.jp]



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Is there any difference on the artwork or discs between UICY-79174 and UICY-79176 except for the very small written numbers? I mean, where do I see which mix it is?

UICY-79174 came with green OBI with red text
UICY-79176 came with blue OBI with white text



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UICY-79174 is the same as we already had in 2014 (audio portion in 2CD/DVD combo). Mixed by Bob Clearmountain.
UICY-79176 new mix of the same show. Brickwalled to death (DR5-6), overloaded with bass but guitars are placed at the edges of stereo panorama. So some people considered this mix as more punchy. I found it loud and ear bleeding. Mastered by Sam Wheat.
Some discussion is here
[iorr.org]

Just started listening to the "New Mix", agree 100% with your assessment. Made the Clearmountain sound unbelievably good by comparison. Besides the SHM-CD, was the 2014 also tweaked for 2020?

Initial digital download was with average DR7.
CDs from the 2014 were with the same DR7 too, apparently they were not tweaked. I.e. recorded on CD as is. No sonic candy but that what we got.

Unfortunately, I do not have data on this re-issue. Apparently, everybody picked new remaster. But judging the words on the back cover - no tweaking. To be 100% one should get EAC log or log from foobar2000 Dynamic Range Meter with numbers.

Did any of this end up on Love You Live?

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Did any of this end up on Love You Live?

Only SFTD from 9-Jul-1975 - [en.Wikipedia.org] .



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Is there any difference on the artwork or discs between UICY-79174 and UICY-79176 except for the very small written numbers? I mean, where do I see which mix it is?

UICY-79174 came with green OBI with red text
UICY-79176 came with blue OBI with white text

Pictures here: [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] .

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Is there any difference on the artwork or discs between UICY-79174 and UICY-79176 except for the very small written numbers? I mean, where do I see which mix it is?

UICY-79174 came with green OBI with red text
UICY-79176 came with blue OBI with white text

Pictures here: [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] .

Thanks! I hadn't noticed the difference in text & OBI colors.

One obi is saying "Bob Clearmountain mix version" and the other one "New mix version"...

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One obi is saying "Bob Clearmountain mix version" and the other one "New mix version"...

That requires basic knowledge of Japanese or some experience with OCR software

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One obi is saying "Bob Clearmountain mix version" and the other one "New mix version"...

That requires basic knowledge of Japanese or some experience with OCR software

Especially if you have both Editions and don't know after opening the package and removing the OBI-strip which belongs then to wich ....

But the Catalog-Number helps.

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One obi is saying "Bob Clearmountain mix version" and the other one "New mix version"...

That requires basic knowledge of Japanese or some experience with OCR software

Especially if you have both Editions and don't know after opening the package and removing the OBI-strip which belongs then to wich ....

But the Catalog-Number helps.

Opening Japanese editions and removing OBI strips is an OFFENSIVE EVIL SIN. You should go to church this Sunday .

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One obi is saying "Bob Clearmountain mix version" and the other one "New mix version"...

That requires basic knowledge of Japanese or some experience with OCR software

Especially if you have both Editions and don't know after opening the package and removing the OBI-strip which belongs then to wich ....

But the Catalog-Number helps.

Opening Japanese editions and removing OBI strips is an OFFENSIVE EVIL SIN. You should go to church this Sunday .

Ha,ha,ha - yes, you're right, in Collector's heaven an opened item is worth the same like a used stamp. MINT is what counts ....

The DVD's, released in 2014 and in 2020, puzzle me. According to Felix Aeppli and Nico Zentgraf the 2014 DVD contains the show of July 11 1975 (not July 12) and the cd's (both of 2014 and 2020) have the show of July 13 1975.

What about the DVD release of 2020? Is that the same show of July 11 1975? And is there any difference (audio and/or images) between the releases of 2014 and 2020?

Alex.

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The DVD's, released in 2014 and in 2020, puzzle me. According to Felix Aeppli and Nico Zentgraf the 2014 DVD contains the show of July 11 1975 (not July 12) and the cd's (both of 2014 and 2020) have the show of July 13 1975.

What about the DVD release of 2020? Is that the same show of July 11 1975? And is there any difference (audio and/or images) between the releases of 2014 and 2020?

Alex.

DVDs 2020 and 2014 contain the very same material, July 11 1975 (or July 12). Re-packing, you know...

Is the one with the introduction track first a re release of the Ward CDs of the actual Friday July 11 show???

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Is the one with the introduction track first a re release of the Ward CDs of the actual Friday July 11 show???

No. It is remaster of the same July 13 show.
UICY-79174 July 13 original mastering
UICY-79176 July 13 remastered by Sam Wheat. Here you have Introduction listed in the tracklist.