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There is a 10% chance you still get Covid-19 even if you are vaccinated. Some get it mild, others who are vaccinated get serious flu-like illness lasting for 1-2 weeks. The Rolling Stones are not like a football team, where you may replace a band member with covid-19 with another person on the same position. They don't have any extra Mick, Keith, Charlie, Ronnie on the bench. They know it, insurance companies know it, management know it, doctors know it.
The vaccination rate is not really sufficient in some areas, and Delta is on the rise. Shares of BioNTech were down 5.3% as of 10 a.m. EDT on Tuesday. Meanwhile, shares of Moderna were slipping 2.7%, because the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech appears to be less effective against the Delta variant.
I would rather wait a few months more, making sure Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie are safe vs covid-19, also everyone else of the large portion of fans being at risk, mind you we are not teenagers most of us anymore.
Everybody want to get on a new tour, but the pandemic is not over yet.
Wondering if the Stones the only band left that had to postpone, yet have still made no announcement regarding a reschedule or cancellation? Seems every other band I can think of have either rescheduled (sometimes twice) or ultimately canceled. I realize the Stones are unique in many ways given their age, Ronnie's health, the insurance problems, visa problems, etc., etc., etc., but wondering what will be the absolute deciding factor for them to decide whether to move forward or to throw in the towel. Doesn't seem likely the pandemic is going to suddenly disappear any time soon - in fact things seem to be getting worse again in the US with new variants mutating, and even talk of reinstating mask mandates and other restrictions. With all that in the news, can't imagine the tour will go forward this fall, but maybe by next spring/summer things will start to look a bit better.
Pearl Jam have not rescheduled their US dates yet, either.
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In 2019, they toured late June til the end of August during the hottest part of the summer, the dog days of summer.
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The weather was so perfect for the show & the days around it in Seattle that the band stayed in town an extra day.
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In 2019, they toured late June til the end of August during the hottest part of the summer, the dog days of summer.
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The weather was so perfect for the show & the days around it in Seattle that the band stayed in town an extra day.
That was an amazing day. I think I saw photos of Ronnie visiting the Museum of Pop Culture...was the same day we visited. Sorry I missed him!
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There is a 10% chance you still get Covid-19 even if you are vaccinated. Some get it mild, others who are vaccinated get serious flu-like illness lasting for 1-2 weeks. The Rolling Stones are not like a football team, where you may replace a band member with covid-19 with another person on the same position. They don't have any extra Mick, Keith, Charlie, Ronnie on the bench. They know it, insurance companies know it, management know it, doctors know it.
The vaccination rate is not really sufficient in some areas, and Delta is on the rise. Shares of BioNTech were down 5.3% as of 10 a.m. EDT on Tuesday. Meanwhile, shares of Moderna were slipping 2.7%, because the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech appears to be less effective against the Delta variant.
I would rather wait a few months more, making sure Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie are safe vs covid-19, also everyone else of the large portion of fans being at risk, mind you we are not teenagers most of us anymore.
Everybody want to get on a new tour, but the pandemic is not over yet.
Wondering if the Stones the only band left that had to postpone, yet have still made no announcement regarding a reschedule or cancellation? Seems every other band I can think of have either rescheduled (sometimes twice) or ultimately canceled. I realize the Stones are unique in many ways given their age, Ronnie's health, the insurance problems, visa problems, etc., etc., etc., but wondering what will be the absolute deciding factor for them to decide whether to move forward or to throw in the towel. Doesn't seem likely the pandemic is going to suddenly disappear any time soon - in fact things seem to be getting worse again in the US with new variants mutating, and even talk of reinstating mask mandates and other restrictions. With all that in the news, can't imagine the tour will go forward this fall, but maybe by next spring/summer things will start to look a bit better.
Pearl Jam have not rescheduled their US dates yet, either.
Can't imagine thinking the bands that have rescheduled (sometimes twice!) or ultimately cancelled is somehow a good thing
The Stones (and apparently Pearl Jam) are smarter than that, clearly.
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The latest from the grapevine is a decision will be made by the end of July.
Nothing really new on what the hold ups are, there's still visa issues with UK/European crew members. Another wrench may be that insurance companies are balking at covering losses due to covid cancellations. Which has the promoters like AEG and Live Nation renegotiating their contracts with the bands, requiring the bands to pick up more of the risk. The Stones may not be eager to do so.
As for long term risks for Pfizer or Moderna, we'd know about them by now, the vaccines have been in use for an year. The technology has been in use for over twenty years in cancer vaccines. Both vaccines are out of your bodies eight weeks after the first injection.
Neither vaccine has a live or dead virus in it. It's mRna - basically computer code. It needs to be able to move through the body, so it's wrapped in fatty oils, which most people are not allergic to. You've being injected with a memo that swims along in fatty oils.
Once in the body, the little memos find a cell they like, attach to it and inform the cell they have a message for it. The cell says okay, but once I read it, I have to kill you. The little memo says that's okay, I'll be off to rock and roll heaven. The cell reads the message, kills the vaccine messenger and then it makes spike proteins so it can look like a covid-19 cell.
The immune system notices the cells with spikes and says that doesn't look good and starts making antibodies to kill the harmless cells pretending to be covid cells. That's when you experience side effects - usually within hours to a week after injection - fatigue, headaches, body aches, swollen lymph nodes, fever, etc. Two weeks after your second injection, the vaccine messengers have been killed by the cells chosen to make spikes and the antibodies have killed the cells masquerading as covid cells. Nothing is left except the antibodies. If you're going to experience life threatening side effects, its most likely to happen within the first week after injection and the risk two months after the first injection is low since the vaccine and the spike cells are gone - your body killed them and if they were going to commmit some mayhem - it would have already happened.
We still don't know how long the antibodies hang around. It might be months or years. If its months, the hope is the body will remember the antibodies it made for the pretend covid cells.
I haven't studied AstraZenica or J&J, but my understanding is neither are leaving anything in the body that is going to develop into a killer cancer in fifteen years.
If you've decided not to be vaccinated because the vaccine is going to maim or kill you ten years from now, you're intellectually challenged. And you're hampering my concert going for years to come. This virus shows no intentions of dying - it plans to keep mutating into even more killer variants. We only have a handful of years left to see the Stones, so go get your first injection today and send the little vaccine messengers off to rock and roll heaven, they're Elvis fans.
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The latest from the grapevine is a decision will be made by the end of July.
Nothing really new on what the hold ups are, there's still visa issues with UK/European crew members. Another wrench may be that insurance companies are balking at covering losses due to covid cancellations. Which has the promoters like AEG and Live Nation renegotiating their contracts with the bands, requiring the bands to pick up more of the risk. The Stones may not be eager to do so.
As for long term risks for Pfizer or Moderna, we'd know about them by now, the vaccines have been in use for an year. The technology has been in use for over twenty years in cancer vaccines. Both vaccines are out of your bodies eight weeks after the first injection.
Neither vaccine has a live or dead virus in it. It's mRna - basically computer code. It needs to be able to move through the body, so it's wrapped in fatty oils, which most people are not allergic to. You've being injected with a memo that swims along in fatty oils.
Once in the body, the little memos find a cell they like, attach to it and inform the cell they have a message for it. The cell says okay, but once I read it, I have to kill you. The little memo says that's okay, I'll be off to rock and roll heaven. The cell reads the message, kills the vaccine messenger and then it makes spike proteins so it can look like a covid-19 cell.
The immune system notices the cells with spikes and says that doesn't look good and starts making antibodies to kill the harmless cells pretending to be covid cells. That's when you experience side effects - usually within hours to a week after injection - fatigue, headaches, body aches, swollen lymph nodes, fever, etc. Two weeks after your second injection, the vaccine messengers have been killed by the cells chosen to make spikes and the antibodies have killed the cells masquerading as covid cells. Nothing is left except the antibodies. If you're going to experience life threatening side effects, its most likely to happen within the first week after injection and the risk two months after the first injection is low since the vaccine and the spike cells are gone - your body killed them and if they were going to commmit some mayhem - it would have already happened.
We still don't know how long the antibodies hang around. It might be months or years. If its months, the hope is the body will remember the antibodies it made for the pretend covid cells.
I haven't studied AstraZenica or J&J, but my understanding is neither are leaving anything in the body that is going to develop into a killer cancer in fifteen years.
If you've decided not to be vaccinated because the vaccine is going to maim or kill you ten years from now, you're intellectually challenged. And you're hampering my concert going for years to come. This virus shows no intentions of dying - it plans to keep mutating into even more killer variants. We only have a handful of years left to see the Stones, so go get your first injection today and send the little vaccine messengers off to rock and roll heaven, they're Elvis fans.
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The latest from the grapevine is a decision will be made by the end of July.
Nothing really new on what the hold ups are, there's still visa issues with UK/European crew members. Another wrench may be that insurance companies are balking at covering losses due to covid cancellations. Which has the promoters like AEG and Live Nation renegotiating their contracts with the bands, requiring the bands to pick up more of the risk. The Stones may not be eager to do so.
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The latest from the grapevine is a decision will be made by the end of July.
Nothing really new on what the hold ups are, there's still visa issues with UK/European crew members. Another wrench may be that insurance companies are balking at covering losses due to covid cancellations. Which has the promoters like AEG and Live Nation renegotiating their contracts with the bands, requiring the bands to pick up more of the risk. The Stones may not be eager to do so.
Thanks for the update and reality check GlimmerGirl24.
Not sure if all those issues can be ironed out in just a few weeks time, not to mention the "state of the world" with the Delta mutation (among others) wreaking havoc across the land.
Delta is currently sweeping the nation and escalating daily, and seems things will get worse before they start to get better - New daily COVID-19 cases and deaths spike to 6-week highs as delta variant spreads rapidly
I'm vaccinated, ready, and willing, but the reality is many are not for whatever reason. That said, it will be a relief to find out the Stones' decision one way or another.
Hoping and waiting...maybe against the odds...not looking too good right now...but looking forward to whatever that decision may be...miracles happen...2022...
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Maybe the Stones should do what Bruce did...."No Vax, No Entry...No Astrazeneca, No Entry"
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The latest from the grapevine is a decision will be made by the end of July.
Nothing really new on what the hold ups are, there's still visa issues with UK/European crew members. Another wrench may be that insurance companies are balking at covering losses due to covid cancellations. Which has the promoters like AEG and Live Nation renegotiating their contracts with the bands, requiring the bands to pick up more of the risk. The Stones may not be eager to do so.
Thanks for the update and reality check GlimmerGirl24.
Not sure if all those issues can be ironed out in just a few weeks time, not to mention the "state of the world" with the Delta mutation (among others) wreaking havoc across the land.
Delta is currently sweeping the nation and escalating daily, and seems things will get worse before they start to get better - New daily COVID-19 cases and deaths spike to 6-week highs as delta variant spreads rapidly
I'm vaccinated, ready, and willing, but the reality is many are not for whatever reason. That said, it will be a relief to find out the Stones' decision one way or another.
Hoping and waiting...maybe against the odds...not looking too good right now...but looking forward to whatever that decision may be...miracles happen...2022...
GlimmerGirl24, any word on if the decision is made to move to 2022 if the dates would then be announced for 2022 or if it's just a yes or no decision for 2021, then TBD for going forward?
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The latest from the grapevine is a decision will be made by the end of July.
Nothing really new on what the hold ups are, there's still visa issues with UK/European crew members. Another wrench may be that insurance companies are balking at covering losses due to covid cancellations. Which has the promoters like AEG and Live Nation renegotiating their contracts with the bands, requiring the bands to pick up more of the risk. The Stones may not be eager to do so.
Thanks for the update and reality check GlimmerGirl24.
Not sure if all those issues can be ironed out in just a few weeks time, not to mention the "state of the world" with the Delta mutation (among others) wreaking havoc across the land.
Delta is currently sweeping the nation and escalating daily, and seems things will get worse before they start to get better - New daily COVID-19 cases and deaths spike to 6-week highs as delta variant spreads rapidly
I'm vaccinated, ready, and willing, but the reality is many are not for whatever reason. That said, it will be a relief to find out the Stones' decision one way or another.
Hoping and waiting...maybe against the odds...not looking too good right now...but looking forward to whatever that decision may be...miracles happen...2022...
GlimmerGirl24, any word on if the decision is made to move to 2022 if the dates would then be announced for 2022 or if it's just a yes or no decision for 2021, then TBD for going forward?
I believe someone (maybe GlimmerGirl24?) had posted earlier that 2022 was a problem due to so many other tours being scheduled, and the Stones were hoping to cram in the rescheduled dates to this Fall
Due to the unlikeliness of that happening based on the current situation and problems they're still facing, I was just throwing 2022 out there as sort of a Hail Mary of wishful thinking.
mpj200 also mentioned some of problems with rescheduling to 2022, and the fact there's tentative plans for the UK in the works for next year...
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Since it has been dragging on for so long (without cancellation) it's evident that the intention at least still is there to do the US tour.
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I honestly believe they don't much care about the public health risk, they are just wary of having fingers pointed at them.
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I honestly believe they don't much care about the public health risk, they are just wary of having fingers pointed at them.
What are you talking about and who
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I honestly believe they don't much care about the public health risk, they are just wary of having fingers pointed at them.
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If Covid is still a big problem in the states because of the lack of vaccination uptake then it’s unlikely that many of the people refusing a vaccine this year are going to take it next year either.If the Stones don’t tour the USA this year due to the Covid situation there then how would it be any different next year.
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