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VideoJames
I have a conflict with some of the dates listed in Bill's book. The
News of The World gig was on May 11th not May 4th I see people on the
site have already mentioned that the date (May 4th)is incorrect. This gig
(Battersea Park) was the first gig (May 11th) that Oldham & Easton booked for the Stones after signing them on May 9th.(Brian Jones doing the signing).
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VideoJames
BTW as for the subject line (Earliest group photo) I have a lead on two people that may have photos of the Stones (ON STAGE live) in 1962 with a different drummer & bass player. That would be an amazing find. More on that later, I hope.
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VideoJames
I have a conflict with some of the dates listed in Bill's book. The
News of The World gig was on May 11th not May 4th I see people on the
site have already mentioned that the date (May 4th)is incorrect. This gig
(Battersea Park) was the first gig (May 11th) that Oldham & Easton booked for the Stones after signing them on May 9th.(Brian Jones doing the signing).
This confusion over 4th vs 11th May - which Deltics also raises - needs examination.
Bill only ever refers to it as "News Of The World Charity Gala" - Rolling With The Stones PP51,58. (And Stone Alone P136, but missing from Appendix 2).
Note that...."News Of The World"
If you look at the scanned quotes that Deltic posted, they refer to a gig being organised by the Variety Club (of Great Britain) and date that show as May 11th. That's from the 4th May 1963 Disc cutting. The second cutting is a report from May 18th 1963 about the concert.
Neither of Deltic's cuttings mention The Rolling Stones, nor any "News of The World" connection.
So, do we know whether or not there was one show, organised by the News Of The World on May 4th, and another organised by The Variety Club of Great Britain on May 11th? (Or one show on 11th where both parties had a hand in it?)
Don't forget Bill keeps a daily diary, and any 'challenge' to a date he's got in a contemporaneous account has to be unbelievably well founded.
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VideoJames
I have a conflict with some of the dates listed in Bill's book. The
News of The World gig was on May 11th not May 4th I see people on the
site have already mentioned that the date (May 4th)is incorrect. This gig
(Battersea Park) was the first gig (May 11th) that Oldham & Easton booked for the Stones after signing them on May 9th.(Brian Jones doing the signing).
This confusion over 4th vs 11th May - which Deltics also raises - needs examination.
Bill only ever refers to it as "News Of The World Charity Gala" - Rolling With The Stones PP51,58. (And Stone Alone P136, but missing from Appendix 2).
Note that...."News Of The World"
If you look at the scanned quotes that Deltic posted, they refer to a gig being organised by the Variety Club (of Great Britain) and date that show as May 11th. That's from the 4th May 1963 Disc cutting. The second cutting is a report from May 18th 1963 about the concert.
Neither of Deltic's cuttings mention The Rolling Stones, nor any "News of The World" connection.
So, do we know whether or not there was one show, organised by the News Of The World on May 4th, and another organised by The Variety Club of Great Britain on May 11th? (Or one show on 11th where both parties had a hand in it?)
Don't forget Bill keeps a daily diary, and any 'challenge' to a date he's got in a contemporaneous account has to be unbelievably well founded.
As I understand it, Bill's early archives are incomplete due to loss/theft.
I suspect he got the date and the News Of The World connection from the July '63 edition of "Beat Monthly".
There is Pathe News footage of the Variety Club Gala and at approx. 55 seconds it shows the boating lake, next to which the Stones played, with the News Of The World banner in the background.
[www.britishpathe.com]
[www.youtube.com]
Here's a screenshot.
I believe that the Variety Club Gala and the NOTW event are one and the same and it took place on May 11.
The Stones weren't mentioned in either of the "Disc" articles because they were still largely unknown and hadn't even had a record released yet.
To confuse matters further, the NOTW banners appear to be giving a date of Saturday 19th May but the 19th was a Sunday in 1963! (It was a Saturday in 1962).
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Cristiano Radtke
The program for the 1963 festival (sorry for the bad resolution, it was the only one I could find on this link, no longer available):
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CaptainCorella
Staying with the May 4th issue, there's also the point that Bill very clearly notes that it was the same day as the (really great) Townsend photo's were taken.
So, if the Battersea thing really was on 11th, when were those photo's taken!?
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Staying with the May 4th issue, there's also the point that Bill very clearly notes that it was the same day as the (really great) Townsend photo's were taken.
So, if the Battersea thing really was on 11th, when were those photo's taken!?
I think that Bill is correct that both occurred on the same day, the clothes seem to be the same but Cristiano's post confirms that it was the 11th, not the 4th.
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Staying with the May 4th issue, there's also the point that Bill very clearly notes that it was the same day as the (really great) Townsend photo's were taken.
So, if the Battersea thing really was on 11th, when were those photo's taken!?
I think that Bill is correct that both occurred on the same day, the clothes seem to be the same but Cristiano's post confirms that it was the 11th, not the 4th.
Maybe I'm wrong, but in those NOTW concert photos Keith's pants looks a little bit darker than in those Philip Townsend photos.
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Staying with the May 4th issue, there's also the point that Bill very clearly notes that it was the same day as the (really great) Townsend photo's were taken.
So, if the Battersea thing really was on 11th, when were those photo's taken!?
I think that Bill is correct that both occurred on the same day, the clothes seem to be the same but Cristiano's post confirms that it was the 11th, not the 4th.
Maybe I'm wrong, but in those NOTW concert photos Keith's pants looks a little bit darker than in those Philip Townsend photos.
It might be down to the light but you also may have a point.
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CaptainCorella
Staying with the May 4th issue, there's also the point that Bill very clearly notes that it was the same day as the (really great) Townsend photo's were taken.
So, if the Battersea thing really was on 11th, when were those photo's taken!?
I think that Bill is correct that both occurred on the same day, the clothes seem to be the same but Cristiano's post confirms that it was the 11th, not the 4th.
Maybe I'm wrong, but in those NOTW concert photos Keith's pants looks a little bit darker than in those Philip Townsend photos.
It might be down to the light but you also may have a point.
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CaptainCorella
Staying with the May 4th issue, there's also the point that Bill very clearly notes that it was the same day as the (really great) Townsend photo's were taken.
So, if the Battersea thing really was on 11th, when were those photo's taken!?
I think that Bill is correct that both occurred on the same day, the clothes seem to be the same but Cristiano's post confirms that it was the 11th, not the 4th.
Maybe I'm wrong, but in those NOTW concert photos Keith's pants looks a little bit darker than in those Philip Townsend photos.
It might be down to the light but you also may have a point.
And on this photo Brian's pants looks a bit different too.
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paulspendel
A snippet of "You Can't Judge A Book By The Cover" was broadcast on Simon Bates' BBC Radio One programme when he interviewed an enthusiast who in April 1988 had purchased an acetate of these three historic recordings. Mick Jagger's enunciation was distinctly non-British and leered in true Willie Dixon style. His vocals were the most distinctive instrument on the tape.
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JordyLicks96
Yeah Elmo, just saw them too.