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Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: bigmac7895 ()
Date: September 9, 2019 06:02

Watching football tonight and a TMobile commercial came on with the George Michael song Freedom. I know he sampled YCAGWYW on an album track, but did he possibly use the same chords and jangly piano playing as SFTD on this song or am I hearing things?

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: September 9, 2019 06:28

It's just the pattern.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: laertisflash ()
Date: September 9, 2019 09:17

Hmmm.. I don't know. To be honest, the "line" of other song sounds like SFTD in my ears. "Loaded", Primal Scream.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: September 9, 2019 15:37

it's quite similar...thought that when it first came out.

but lots of examples of that type of thing. there was a kinks song from late 70s (on low budget album maybe) who had a riff that was a rip off of JJF. can't remember the song at the moment.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: September 9, 2019 18:30

"Catch Me Now I'm Falling" from Low Budget

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: September 9, 2019 19:16

Just another three chord song.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: September 9, 2019 19:17

Lou Reed used the same chord pattern as Sympathy TWICE, on VU’s Loaded album - Rock And Roll + Oh Sweet Nuthin’. There are only 12 tones in western music...

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: September 9, 2019 19:55

Huh, I never noticed that before but there is a striking similarity. Good Call!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-09-09 19:56 by ryanpow.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: September 9, 2019 20:09

E D A D

B E at "pleased to meet you"

just a slight variation on the E A D A change that Neil Diamond used so much (Cherry, Thank The Lord For The Nighttime, A Little Bit Me, etc.). Later, it was "What I Like About You" and ROCK in the USA.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: September 9, 2019 20:11

Freedom also has a similar rhythm to SFTD.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: Send It To me ()
Date: September 9, 2019 21:32

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Blueranger
Lou Reed used the same chord pattern as Sympathy TWICE, on VU’s Loaded album - Rock And Roll + Oh Sweet Nuthin’. There are only 12 tones in western music...

And under the Nashville Number System, only 6 chords that are commonly used in rock and pop music.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: bigmac7895 ()
Date: September 10, 2019 04:29

It sounded so similar that I thought it would create some discussion. The timing and pattern just resonated in me thinking it was possible it may have influenced the song. Knowing Michael used YCAGWYW on this same album makes me even more suspicious. If there is a 1 album that is an outlier for my listening pleasure it would be that one (Listen Without Prejudice). Appreciate the feedback fellow IORR friends.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-09-10 13:48 by bigmac7895.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: MelBelli ()
Date: September 10, 2019 05:30

One song that is definitely a “Sympathy” homage, and a great song in its own right, is World Party’s “Way Down Now.”

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: September 10, 2019 11:03

Waiting for redhotcarpet's Dear Mr Fantasy post. grinning smiley

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Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Date: September 10, 2019 12:42

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His Majesty
Waiting for redhotcarpet's Dear Mr Fantasy post. grinning smiley

Shhhhh!

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: September 10, 2019 12:47

What makes Devil's bassline for me is the D flat note that Keith plays under the A
chord - love it!!!

C

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: September 10, 2019 15:17

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Shhhhh!

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Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: Cooltoplady ()
Date: September 10, 2019 18:24

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liddas
What makes Devil's bassline for me is the D flat note that Keith plays under the A
chord - love it!!!

C

Well it’s on the Key of E. So that would be a C#. C# is in the A chord No big deal

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: September 10, 2019 19:07

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Cooltoplady
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liddas
What makes Devil's bassline for me is the D flat note that Keith plays under the A
chord - love it!!!

C

Well it’s on the Key of E. So that would be a C#. C# is in the A chord No big deal

Apologies for the mistake, but by now everybody should know that my notions of music theory are close to zero!

In any case, my point was that after two consecutive root notes (E and D) that C# in place of an A remains a great intuition. It creates tension. Simple, but extremely effective.

C

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Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: September 10, 2019 19:17

Yeah, playing a bass is not just pounding the root note of each chord. Look at Wyman and all the notes he played. Adding a third like the C# is pretty standard for a guitar player picking up a bass, but really nothing special.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: September 10, 2019 19:45

C# is the 3rd of the A chord.

As stated, Bill often played the 3rd or the 5th instead of the root note.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: September 10, 2019 21:00

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Elmo Lewis
"Catch Me Now I'm Falling" from Low Budget
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That's the one!!

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Date: September 10, 2019 22:03

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Koen
Yeah, playing a bass is not just pounding the root note of each chord. Look at Wyman and all the notes he played. Adding a third like the C# is pretty standard for a guitar player picking up a bass, but really nothing special.

Yet so effective in that song.

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: September 11, 2019 00:30

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Elmo Lewis
C# is the 3rd of the A chord.

As stated, Bill often played the 3rd or the 5th instead of the root note.


sure Bill played chord tones, but I can't think of one example of him not playing the root note as the first note on a chord change.

C

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: Redhotcarpet ()
Date: September 11, 2019 08:58

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DandelionPowderman
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His Majesty
Waiting for redhotcarpet's Dear Mr Fantasy post. grinning smiley

Shhhhh!

grinning smiley yes they’re all based on Dear Mr Fantasy!

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: September 11, 2019 11:50

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Redhotcarpet


grinning smiley yes they’re all based on Dear Mr Fantasy!

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Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Date: September 11, 2019 11:51

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Redhotcarpet
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DandelionPowderman
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His Majesty
Waiting for redhotcarpet's Dear Mr Fantasy post. grinning smiley

Shhhhh!

grinning smiley yes they’re all based on Dear Mr Fantasy!

smileys with beer

Re: Freedom bassline same chords as SFTD?
Date: September 12, 2019 15:55

Quote
Koen
Yeah, playing a bass is not just pounding the root note of each chord. Look at Wyman and all the notes he played. Adding a third like the C# is pretty standard for a guitar player picking up a bass, but really nothing special.

It's not all that standard . Bassist don't like to hit a major 3rd for some reason, especially in a descending line. (Bill Wyman did not use 3rd a lot; you can hear it, and see it too) No it is not all that far fetched to do it but most of Keith's strokes of brilliance are rooted more in the fact that he just did it.
What IMO is good about that turn is that by going to the C# he sets up that chromatic walk up back to the E, where he then can riff around for a second before starting the phrase back up.
I have often wondered what happened that night in between the two sessions. Did Rocky inspire the Samba? Or did the Samba idea happen, and then they said "well, now we need Congas of course".



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