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I know this would inconvenience many people but no more so than any other date change. The absolute best and safest move for everyone would be to move the show up to Friday night if that is a all possible. We could all see the show and get out before the storm shows up.
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Nice observation that the horns could be double tracked. I wasn't aware of this, I always thought it sounded so grand due to the fact they are playing octaves and Keys always plays a bit out if tune. They get the same sound live.
Ps there are several comments from Keys, Price, Miller and Glyn Johns that all the horns were done at Nellcote.
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It’s interesting what you can hear on the Hopkins Tapes due to the wide stereo mix. On “Rip This Joint” you can clearly hear two rhythm guitars spread out, whereas the album mix is so narrow the two parts are indistinguishable; the main part is mixed louder. It does give the song a more “old school” feel and center balanced.
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What became of Jim Price?
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Nice observation that the horns could be double tracked. I wasn't aware of this, I always thought it sounded so grand due to the fact they are playing octaves and Keys always plays a bit out if tune. They get the same sound live.
Ps there are several comments from Keys, Price, Miller and Glyn Johns that all the horns were done at Nellcote.
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It's hard to tell if the horns are actually double-tracked or perhaps just "fattened up" with a touch of reverb (or room ambience). Another possibility is tere is a trombone (played by Jim Price) doubling the trumpet part.
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Nice observation that the horns could be double tracked. I wasn't aware of this, I always thought it sounded so grand due to the fact they are playing octaves and Keys always plays a bit out if tune. They get the same sound live.
Ps there are several comments from Keys, Price, Miller and Glyn Johns that all the horns were done at Nellcote.
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It's hard to tell if the horns are actually double-tracked or perhaps just "fattened up" with a touch of reverb (or room ambience). Another possibility is tere is a trombone (played by Jim Price) doubling the trumpet part.
Sure they are doubled, you can hear two different tracks, left and right.
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Nice observation that the horns could be double tracked. I wasn't aware of this, I always thought it sounded so grand due to the fact they are playing octaves and Keys always plays a bit out if tune. They get the same sound live.
Ps there are several comments from Keys, Price, Miller and Glyn Johns that all the horns were done at Nellcote.
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It's hard to tell if the horns are actually double-tracked or perhaps just "fattened up" with a touch of reverb (or room ambience). Another possibility is tere is a trombone (played by Jim Price) doubling the trumpet part.
Sure they are doubled, you can hear two different tracks, left and right.
Of each instrument?
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Nice observation that the horns could be double tracked. I wasn't aware of this, I always thought it sounded so grand due to the fact they are playing octaves and Keys always plays a bit out if tune. They get the same sound live.
Ps there are several comments from Keys, Price, Miller and Glyn Johns that all the horns were done at Nellcote.
Mathijs
It's hard to tell if the horns are actually double-tracked or perhaps just "fattened up" with a touch of reverb (or room ambience). Another possibility is tere is a trombone (played by Jim Price) doubling the trumpet part.
Sure they are doubled, you can hear two different tracks, left and right.
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It’s interesting what you can hear on the Hopkins Tapes due to the wide stereo mix. On “Rip This Joint” you can clearly hear two rhythm guitars spread out, whereas the album mix is so narrow the two parts are indistinguishable; the main part is mixed louder. It does give the song a more “old school” feel and center balanced.
Taylor's part was removed altogether on Rip This Joint, and Richards overdubbed the lead lines.
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Nice observation that the horns could be double tracked. I wasn't aware of this, I always thought it sounded so grand due to the fact they are playing octaves and Keys always plays a bit out if tune. They get the same sound live.
Ps there are several comments from Keys, Price, Miller and Glyn Johns that all the horns were done at Nellcote.
Mathijs
It's hard to tell if the horns are actually double-tracked or perhaps just "fattened up" with a touch of reverb (or room ambience). Another possibility is tere is a trombone (played by Jim Price) doubling the trumpet part.
Sure they are doubled, you can hear two different tracks, left and right.
Of each instrument?
I think I hear at leat two "voices" in each track (not sure if trumpet and sax or two trumpets or what..). There's surely trumpets on both sides...
I may be completely wrong though.
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Nice observation that the horns could be double tracked. I wasn't aware of this, I always thought it sounded so grand due to the fact they are playing octaves and Keys always plays a bit out if tune. They get the same sound live.
Ps there are several comments from Keys, Price, Miller and Glyn Johns that all the horns were done at Nellcote.
Mathijs
It's hard to tell if the horns are actually double-tracked or perhaps just "fattened up" with a touch of reverb (or room ambience). Another possibility is tere is a trombone (played by Jim Price) doubling the trumpet part.
Sure they are doubled, you can hear two different tracks, left and right.
Listening to it with headphones it more sounds like they are simply recorded in stereo, with a short delay.
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It’s interesting what you can hear on the Hopkins Tapes due to the wide stereo mix. On “Rip This Joint” you can clearly hear two rhythm guitars spread out, whereas the album mix is so narrow the two parts are indistinguishable; the main part is mixed louder. It does give the song a more “old school” feel and center balanced.
Taylor's part was removed altogether on Rip This Joint, and Richards overdubbed the lead lines.
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I know that slide guitar was removed, but what about the other rhythm guitar? It’s sort of a Chuck Berry part. Are you saying that is/was Taylor’s part?
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It’s interesting what you can hear on the Hopkins Tapes due to the wide stereo mix. On “Rip This Joint” you can clearly hear two rhythm guitars spread out, whereas the album mix is so narrow the two parts are indistinguishable; the main part is mixed louder. It does give the song a more “old school” feel and center balanced.
Taylor's part was removed altogether on Rip This Joint, and Richards overdubbed the lead lines.
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I know that slide guitar was removed, but what about the other rhythm guitar? It’s sort of a Chuck Berry part. Are you saying that is/was Taylor’s part?
You are right, the second rythm guitar heard on the Hopkins tape is burried underneath the open G rythm guitar. I am not sure who plays that boogie guitar but it does sound more like Taylor. It is played on the Gibson ES-355 for sure, same sound as Taylor's Rocks Off and All Down the Line parts.
The slide guitar actually doesn't sound like Taylor when I listen to it now, but I think it is Richards. it is too crudely played to be Taylor.
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Nice observation that the horns could be double tracked. I wasn't aware of this, I always thought it sounded so grand due to the fact they are playing octaves and Keys always plays a bit out if tune. They get the same sound live.
Ps there are several comments from Keys, Price, Miller and Glyn Johns that all the horns were done at Nellcote.
Mathijs
It's hard to tell if the horns are actually double-tracked or perhaps just "fattened up" with a touch of reverb (or room ambience). Another possibility is tere is a trombone (played by Jim Price) doubling the trumpet part.
Sure they are doubled, you can hear two different tracks, left and right.
Listening to it with headphones it more sounds like they are simply recorded in stereo, with a short delay.
Mathijs
Listening to the Nicky Hopkins tape and its clear the horns are multi-tracked! There's various times you horn double horn and sax lines in the stereo spread.
When Charlie comes back after the middle 8 section that is an overdub by the way, thus this track was not recorded 'live' in one take. Oh another myth busted....
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This song is genius...I think it could be their best song, certainly best song not released as a single.
You're not wrong ...cerebral processing will always make us chose something else if we then think about it ...
...but if someone wants to know what the Rolling Stones do...it's that .
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Nice observation that the horns could be double tracked. I wasn't aware of this, I always thought it sounded so grand due to the fact they are playing octaves and Keys always plays a bit out if tune. They get the same sound live.
Ps there are several comments from Keys, Price, Miller and Glyn Johns that all the horns were done at Nellcote.
Mathijs
It's hard to tell if the horns are actually double-tracked or perhaps just "fattened up" with a touch of reverb (or room ambience). Another possibility is tere is a trombone (played by Jim Price) doubling the trumpet part.
Sure they are doubled, you can hear two different tracks, left and right.
Listening to it with headphones it more sounds like they are simply recorded in stereo, with a short delay.
Mathijs
Listening to the Nicky Hopkins tape and its clear the horns are multi-tracked! There's various times you horn double horn and sax lines in the stereo spread.
When Charlie comes back after the middle 8 section that is an overdub by the way, thus this track was not recorded 'live' in one take. Oh another myth busted....
Mathijs
This is an interesting topic. I checked out the Nicky tapes too, and IMO it doesn't sound doubled tracked. I think I know what you're saying, and I feel it may be a stereo f/x where the reverb is on it's own side. I keep hearing the exact same decay in the hornlines in the phrases.
Another possibility could be remnants of ghost horns. E.g. if they recorded them at Nellcote; and then re-did them in LA.
BTw I am pretty sure there is no Sax now.
IMO too much is made of Taylor's little noodling line in the fade-out. That is what it is a little whoop while the track leaves us. What is interesting is that Taylor was playing through the whole thing.You can plainly hear him in the Nicky tapes, and IMO it was the right decision to cut him out. But I think that is what other posts have already established.
Once again the bridge comes from a completely different angle. the mix, context can change it.
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It’s interesting what you can hear on the Hopkins Tapes due to the wide stereo mix. On “Rip This Joint” you can clearly hear two rhythm guitars spread out, whereas the album mix is so narrow the two parts are indistinguishable; the main part is mixed louder. It does give the song a more “old school” feel and center balanced.
Taylor's part was removed altogether on Rip This Joint, and Richards overdubbed the lead lines.
Mathijs
I know that slide guitar was removed, but what about the other rhythm guitar? It’s sort of a Chuck Berry part. Are you saying that is/was Taylor’s part?
You are right, the second rythm guitar heard on the Hopkins tape is burried underneath the open G rythm guitar. I am not sure who plays that boogie guitar but it does sound more like Taylor. It is played on the Gibson ES-355 for sure, same sound as Taylor's Rocks Off and All Down the Line parts.
The slide guitar actually doesn't sound like Taylor when I listen to it now, but I think it is Richards. it is too crudely played to be Taylor.
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Yeah that slide part is quite confusing. The only part that makes me think it could have been Taylor is that walk-down at like 20 seconds. Richards may have put the guitar on his lap to play it, it just doesn't sound like someone standing and playing.
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It’s interesting what you can hear on the Hopkins Tapes due to the wide stereo mix. On “Rip This Joint” you can clearly hear two rhythm guitars spread out, whereas the album mix is so narrow the two parts are indistinguishable; the main part is mixed louder. It does give the song a more “old school” feel and center balanced.
Taylor's part was removed altogether on Rip This Joint, and Richards overdubbed the lead lines.
Mathijs
I know that slide guitar was removed, but what about the other rhythm guitar? It’s sort of a Chuck Berry part. Are you saying that is/was Taylor’s part?
You are right, the second rythm guitar heard on the Hopkins tape is burried underneath the open G rythm guitar. I am not sure who plays that boogie guitar but it does sound more like Taylor. It is played on the Gibson ES-355 for sure, same sound as Taylor's Rocks Off and All Down the Line parts.
The slide guitar actually doesn't sound like Taylor when I listen to it now, but I think it is Richards. it is too crudely played to be Taylor.
Mathijs
Yeah that slide part is quite confusing. The only part that makes me think it could have been Taylor is that walk-down at like 20 seconds. Richards may have put the guitar on his lap to play it, it just doesn't sound like someone standing and playing.
I'm not sure what slide guitar you two are talking about because I don't have the Hopkins tapes, but on the official release there's a slide part before the sax solo (ying yang you're my thing...) that sounds like Taylor.
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This song is genius...I think it could be their best song, certainly best song not released as a single.
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It’s interesting what you can hear on the Hopkins Tapes due to the wide stereo mix. On “Rip This Joint” you can clearly hear two rhythm guitars spread out, whereas the album mix is so narrow the two parts are indistinguishable; the main part is mixed louder. It does give the song a more “old school” feel and center balanced.
Taylor's part was removed altogether on Rip This Joint, and Richards overdubbed the lead lines.
Mathijs
I know that slide guitar was removed, but what about the other rhythm guitar? It’s sort of a Chuck Berry part. Are you saying that is/was Taylor’s part?
You are right, the second rythm guitar heard on the Hopkins tape is burried underneath the open G rythm guitar. I am not sure who plays that boogie guitar but it does sound more like Taylor. It is played on the Gibson ES-355 for sure, same sound as Taylor's Rocks Off and All Down the Line parts.
The slide guitar actually doesn't sound like Taylor when I listen to it now, but I think it is Richards. it is too crudely played to be Taylor.
Mathijs
Yeah that slide part is quite confusing. The only part that makes me think it could have been Taylor is that walk-down at like 20 seconds. Richards may have put the guitar on his lap to play it, it just doesn't sound like someone standing and playing.
I'm not sure what slide guitar you two are talking about because I don't have the Hopkins tapes, but on the official release there's a slide part before the sax solo (ying yang you're my thing...) that sounds like Taylor.
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They flanged the tape during the bridge and added tremolo to the vocals.
I don't hear an overdub though.
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It’s interesting what you can hear on the Hopkins Tapes due to the wide stereo mix. On “Rip This Joint” you can clearly hear two rhythm guitars spread out, whereas the album mix is so narrow the two parts are indistinguishable; the main part is mixed louder. It does give the song a more “old school” feel and center balanced.
Taylor's part was removed altogether on Rip This Joint, and Richards overdubbed the lead lines.
Mathijs
I know that slide guitar was removed, but what about the other rhythm guitar? It’s sort of a Chuck Berry part. Are you saying that is/was Taylor’s part?
You are right, the second rythm guitar heard on the Hopkins tape is burried underneath the open G rythm guitar. I am not sure who plays that boogie guitar but it does sound more like Taylor. It is played on the Gibson ES-355 for sure, same sound as Taylor's Rocks Off and All Down the Line parts.
The slide guitar actually doesn't sound like Taylor when I listen to it now, but I think it is Richards. it is too crudely played to be Taylor.
Mathijs
Yeah that slide part is quite confusing. The only part that makes me think it could have been Taylor is that walk-down at like 20 seconds. Richards may have put the guitar on his lap to play it, it just doesn't sound like someone standing and playing.
I'm not sure what slide guitar you two are talking about because I don't have the Hopkins tapes, but on the official release there's a slide part before the sax solo (ying yang you're my thing...) that sounds like Taylor.
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This song is genius...I think it could be their best song, certainly best song not released as a single.
You're not wrong ...cerebral processing will always make us chose something else if we then think about it ...
...but if someone wants to know what the Rolling Stones do...it's that .
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It’s interesting what you can hear on the Hopkins Tapes due to the wide stereo mix. On “Rip This Joint” you can clearly hear two rhythm guitars spread out, whereas the album mix is so narrow the two parts are indistinguishable; the main part is mixed louder. It does give the song a more “old school” feel and center balanced.
Taylor's part was removed altogether on Rip This Joint, and Richards overdubbed the lead lines.
Mathijs
I know that slide guitar was removed, but what about the other rhythm guitar? It’s sort of a Chuck Berry part. Are you saying that is/was Taylor’s part?
You are right, the second rythm guitar heard on the Hopkins tape is burried underneath the open G rythm guitar. I am not sure who plays that boogie guitar but it does sound more like Taylor. It is played on the Gibson ES-355 for sure, same sound as Taylor's Rocks Off and All Down the Line parts.
The slide guitar actually doesn't sound like Taylor when I listen to it now, but I think it is Richards. it is too crudely played to be Taylor.
Mathijs
Yeah that slide part is quite confusing. The only part that makes me think it could have been Taylor is that walk-down at like 20 seconds. Richards may have put the guitar on his lap to play it, it just doesn't sound like someone standing and playing.
I'm not sure what slide guitar you two are talking about because I don't have the Hopkins tapes, but on the official release there's a slide part before the sax solo (ying yang you're my thing...) that sounds like Taylor.
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All guitars on RTJ are Keith, but indeed there is the second rhtyhm guitar underneath the open G guitar that's just about impossible to hear. I tend to believe this is Taylor.
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