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Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: June 12, 2019 14:52

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His Majesty
You can.

Did they?

Anyway nothing beats the original media. Can you imagine the curator of a museum plainly saying : "yup 1000's of ancient paintings were burnt to ashes in the fire but that's okay : we still have high-resolution digital pictures of most of them so nothing's really lost!".

The guy would become the shame of his profession...



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Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: kowalski ()
Date: June 12, 2019 16:44

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dcba
Quote
His Majesty
You can.

Did they?

Anyway nothing beats the original media. Can you imagine the curator of a museum plainly saying : "yup 1000's of ancient paintings were burnt to ashes in the fire but that's okay : we still have high-resolution digital pictures of most of them so nothing's really lost!".

The guy would become the shame of his profession...


I get the idea but I don't think it's fair to compare recorded music that can be duplicated indefinitely to a unique work of art that can't be duplicated.

It would be more fair to compare it to a photograph print and an original negative. You can still make a copy from a print but the quality would be better if you can get the original negative.

That's exactly what's happening with recorded music : even if they don't have the masters anymore, record companies can still issue CD's (or digital download) from copies of copies.

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: June 12, 2019 16:55

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StonedRambler
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GasLightStreet
Welcome to the digital nightmare. Until the 1980s, music was recorded on analog tapes that were stored in vaults and easily played back. In the digital era, that process has changed irrevocably. A new report issued by the Library of Congress calls digital formats “not inherently safe harbors of preservation,” and raised red flags about how music collections are being stored.
That's not to blame on digital recordings, it's the labels fault. With digital files you can get an exact one-to-one copy of any digital recording. To save digital master tapes only on one hard drive and to expect this hard drive to work forever is really naive.

Reminds me of the old digital proverb... there are two types of hard drives: those that are dead, and those that are going to die.

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: GivenToFly15 ()
Date: June 12, 2019 17:15

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kowalski
That's exactly what's happening with recorded music : even if they don't have the masters anymore, record companies can still issue CD's (or digital download) from copies of copies.

That's not the problem here: of course you can always issue digital versions... The argument is discussed in the article linked above.

Anyway it seems the story is spreading (this time):

Report: Universal Music Group covered up destruction of irreplaceable master tapes in 2008 fire

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: June 12, 2019 17:32

I hope the UMG stock will tank, they deserve it.
Over the years they - most probably - spend billions on dodgy movie deals or "360° deals" with music stars. Meanwhile they couldn't find a few mils to properly secure their archive treasures.
I'm really really angry.

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: kowalski ()
Date: June 12, 2019 21:12

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GivenToFly15
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kowalski
That's exactly what's happening with recorded music : even if they don't have the masters anymore, record companies can still issue CD's (or digital download) from copies of copies.

That's not the problem here: of course you can always issue digital versions... The argument is discussed in the article linked above.

Anyway it seems the story is spreading (this time):

Report: Universal Music Group covered up destruction of irreplaceable master tapes in 2008 fire

That's actually the problem. If you read the NYT article until the end the journalist gets into record companies history of losing or dumping masters since at least the 70's. They don't care - at least until very recently. They can always reissue an album from a safety copy. And most people won't hear any difference anyway. That's what happened in the 80's when they started to put out CD's made from copies and not from the original masters. That's why the original masters were kept in an unsafe place.

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: marianna ()
Date: June 12, 2019 21:43

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kowalski
Quote
dcba
Quote
His Majesty
You can.

Did they?

Anyway nothing beats the original media. Can you imagine the curator of a museum plainly saying : "yup 1000's of ancient paintings were burnt to ashes in the fire but that's okay : we still have high-resolution digital pictures of most of them so nothing's really lost!".

The guy would become the shame of his profession...


I get the idea but I don't think it's fair to compare recorded music that can be duplicated indefinitely to a unique work of art that can't be duplicated.

It would be more fair to compare it to a photograph print and an original negative. You can still make a copy from a print but the quality would be better if you can get the original negative.

That's exactly what's happening with recorded music : even if they don't have the masters anymore, record companies can still issue CD's (or digital download) from copies of copies.

In some cases, the copies of copies are vinyl records. There have been CD releases that originated from vinyl sources because the original tapes were lost.

Also, the re-releases and boxed sets that feature remixes aren't possible unless some form of mixable multitracks are available. I'm not sure if each track is preserved when they do digital back-ups, or if they can only preserve the entire mixed product.

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: tumbled ()
Date: June 12, 2019 23:07

Like the Seed Vault in Norway, there should be a concerted effort to store cultural artifacts and music in a safe location underground. Maybe the government should work on that. We need another endowment for the arts for sure. We shouldn't rely on for-profit businesses to do the right thing. Maybe the Smithsonian should step up and start receiving original pieces. The U.S. Archives already has a great digital library online that is free that has millions of old recordings that are not subject to copyright law.



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Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: June 13, 2019 02:50

I could see the fire from my house! Little did I know ...

Anyway I am not backtracking to see if this was already posted but ...


Raiders of the Lost Web

If a Pulitzer-finalist 34-part series of investigative journalism can vanish from the web, anything can.

[www.theatlantic.com]

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: NICOS ()
Date: June 13, 2019 03:40

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tumbled
Like the Seed Vault in Norway, there should be a concerted effort to store cultural artifacts and music in a safe location underground. Maybe the government should work on that. We need another endowment for the arts for sure. We shouldn't rely on for-profit businesses to do the right thing. Maybe the Smithsonian should step up and start receiving original pieces. The U.S. Archives already has a great digital library online that is free that has millions of old recordings that are not subject to copyright law.

Maybe the government should work on that.

I don't think that's a good idea...........I can make a nice plea, but most of us know what I mean...............

__________________________

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: June 13, 2019 10:28

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kowalski
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GivenToFly15
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kowalski
That's exactly what's happening with recorded music : even if they don't have the masters anymore, record companies can still issue CD's (or digital download) from copies of copies.

That's not the problem here: of course you can always issue digital versions... The argument is discussed in the article linked above.

Anyway it seems the story is spreading (this time):

Report: Universal Music Group covered up destruction of irreplaceable master tapes in 2008 fire

That's actually the problem. If you read the NYT article until the end the journalist gets into record companies history of losing or dumping masters since at least the 70's. They don't care - at least until very recently. They can always reissue an album from a safety copy. And most people won't hear any difference anyway. That's what happened in the 80's when they started to put out CD's made from copies and not from the original masters. That's why the original masters were kept in an unsafe place.

The underlying issue is that the recording industry has long since stopped caring about the quality of the recordings they hold or use for anything.

So if they have a Digital transfer of the stereo master...that's all their short sighted commercial perception thinks they'll ever need.

[We could talk about the reasons for this all day, and some folks above have alluded to them....but this is maybe not the thread for a debate about formats ]



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Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: June 13, 2019 15:43

"500,000 Song Titles Destroyed in Fire Including Original Guns N’ Roses, Nirvana and Nine Inch Nails Masters"

[www.metalsucks.net]

"Although UMG had begun a digitization initiative back in 2004 known as the Preservation Project, which they initially cited as having saved the originals, records show that only a small amount of records had been transferred before the fire"
I have no doubt the artists will sue for compensation. Universal is toast (pardon the bad pun).

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: LieB ()
Date: June 13, 2019 16:53

I'm not an audio archivist, but in all fairness, if the digital copy of an old tape is really well done in very high resolution, it's a practical format to archive. You still have to store it somewhere (and no storage lasts infinitely) but once digital, the music can be duplicated lossless any number of times.

An old tape deteriorates with time and takes more effort to store and preserve. To use it after a few decades, it has to be "baked" in an oven and it's quite some work to read.

So to have only digital copies as archives doesn't have to be bad, as long as all multitrack channels are copied, transparency and resolution is very high and storage is done properly.

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: June 13, 2019 17:01

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LieB
I'm not an audio archivist, but in all fairness, if the digital copy of an old tape is really well done in very high resolution, it's a practical format to archive. You still have to store it somewhere (and no storage lasts infinitely) but once digital, the music can be duplicated lossless any number of times.

An old tape deteriorates with time and takes more effort to store and preserve. To use it after a few decades, it has to be "baked" in an oven and it's quite some work to read.

So to have only digital copies as archives doesn't have to be bad, as long as all multitrack channels are copied, transparency and resolution is very high and storage is done properly.

Quite so ...but is the will there to do it...and to keep doing it as the technology changes, so that music is preserved for the future generations who deserve to enjoy it .

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: LieB ()
Date: June 14, 2019 13:34

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Spud
Quote
LieB
I'm not an audio archivist, but in all fairness, if the digital copy of an old tape is really well done in very high resolution, it's a practical format to archive. You still have to store it somewhere (and no storage lasts infinitely) but once digital, the music can be duplicated lossless any number of times.

An old tape deteriorates with time and takes more effort to store and preserve. To use it after a few decades, it has to be "baked" in an oven and it's quite some work to read.

So to have only digital copies as archives doesn't have to be bad, as long as all multitrack channels are copied, transparency and resolution is very high and storage is done properly.

Quite so ...but is the will there to do it...and to keep doing it as the technology changes, so that music is preserved for the future generations who deserve to enjoy it .

Yes, that's the question. This question about archiving information goes far beyond rock music, of course.

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Date: June 14, 2019 13:53

I bought a 1964 Yardbirds-album recently on reel to reel that plays excellently. Same with a Beach Boys-album, btw.

I guess the storing and treatment of the tapes is the key here, not necessarily tapes being an inferior format?

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: June 14, 2019 15:07

Yes, controlled storage conditions for old magnetic tape and film stock is critical...but differing tape formulations are also a big factor.

Oddly on the face of it, old tape stock from the '60s and even '50's has tended to survive better than later formulated stock from the late '70s and the '80s...this due the older tape formulations turning out to be more stable over time than the newer stuff.

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Date: June 14, 2019 15:28

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Spud
Yes, controlled storage conditions for old magnetic tape and film stock is critical...but differing tape formulations are also a big factor.

Oddly on the face of it, old tape stock from the '60s and even '50's has tended to survive better than later formulated stock from the late '70s and the '80s...this due the older tape formulations turning out to be more stable over time than the newer stuff.

It's good that I collect reel to reels from the 60s, then grinning smiley

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: June 14, 2019 23:03

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StonedRambler
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GasLightStreet
Welcome to the digital nightmare. Until the 1980s, music was recorded on analog tapes that were stored in vaults and easily played back. In the digital era, that process has changed irrevocably. A new report issued by the Library of Congress calls digital formats “not inherently safe harbors of preservation,” and raised red flags about how music collections are being stored.
That's not to blame on digital recordings, it's the labels fault. With digital files you can get an exact one-to-one copy of any digital recording. To save digital master tapes only on one hard drive and to expect this hard drive to work forever is really naive.

True, and with more stable drives ie SSD and whatever else is coming down the pipeline, this shouldn't be a 'digital' issue but rather a 'digital management' issue.

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: TornAndFried ()
Date: June 15, 2019 05:53

Lawsuits against Universal Music Group expected next week in response to 2008 vault fire.


[www.msn.com]



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Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: timbernardis ()
Date: June 15, 2019 11:25

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TravelinMan
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StonedRambler
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GasLightStreet
Welcome to the digital nightmare. Until the 1980s, music was recorded on analog tapes that were stored in vaults and easily played back. In the digital era, that process has changed irrevocably. A new report issued by the Library of Congress calls digital formats “not inherently safe harbors of preservation,” and raised red flags about how music collections are being stored.
That's not to blame on digital recordings, it's the labels fault. With digital files you can get an exact one-to-one copy of any digital recording. To save digital master tapes only on one hard drive and to expect this hard drive to work forever is really naive.

Reminds me of the old digital proverb... there are two types of hard drives: those that are dead, and those that are going to die.

We just commemorated the 75th anniversary of D Day. On Omaha Beach, an officer told his men who were bogged down by German fire, "there are two kinds of men on this beach -- those who are dead and those who are about to die. Now let's get the hell off of this beach."


plexi

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: June 26, 2019 06:16

[www.nytimes.com]

the list of artists that lost masters. no stones (Bill Wyman on list though) but it makes you want to cry.

38 Special
50 Cent
Colonel Abrams
Johnny Ace
Bryan Adams
Nat Adderley
Aerosmith
Rhett Akins
Manny Albam
Lorez Alexandria
Gary Allan
Red Allen
Steve Allen
The Ames Brothers
Gene Ammons
Bill Anderson
Jimmy Anderson
John Anderson
The Andrews Sisters
Lee Andrews & the Hearts
Paul Anka
Adam Ant
Toni Arden
Joan Armatrading
Louis Armstrong
Asia
Asleep at the Wheel
Audioslave
Patti Austin
Average White Band
Hoyt Axton
Albert Ayler
Burt Bacharach
Joan Baez
Razzy Bailey
Chet Baker
Florence Ballard
Hank Ballard
Gato Barbieri
Baja Marimba Band
Len Barry
Count Basie
Fontella Bass
The Beat Farmers
Sidney Bechet and His Orchestra
Beck
Captain Beefheart
Archie Bell & the Drells
Vincent Bell
Bell Biv Devoe
Louie Bellson
Don Bennett
Joe Bennett and the Sparkletones
David Benoit
George Benson
Berlin
Elmer Bernstein and His Orchestra
Chuck Berry
Nuno Bettencourt
Stephen Bishop
Blackstreet
Art Blakey
Hal Blaine
Bobby (Blue) Bland
Mary J. Blige
Blink 182
Blues Traveler
Eddie Bo
Pat Boone
Boston
Connee Boswell
Eddie Boyd
Jan Bradley
Owen Bradley Quintet
Oscar Brand
Bob Braun
Walter Brennan
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
Teresa Brewer
Edie Brickell & New Bohemians
John Brim
Lonnie Brooks
Big Bill Broonzy and Washboard Sam
Brothers Johnson
Bobby Brown
Clarence “Gatemouth” Brown
Lawrence Brown
Les Brown
Marion Brown
Marshall Brown
Mel Brown
Michael Brown
Dave Brubeck
Jimmy Buffett
Carol Burnett
T-Bone Burnett
Dorsey Burnette
Johnny Burnette
Busta Rhymes
Terry Callier
Cab Calloway
The Call
Glen Campbell
Captain and Tennille
Captain Sensible
Irene Cara
Belinda Carlisle
Carl Carlton
Eric Carmen
Hoagy Carmichael
Kim Carnes
Karen Carpenter
Richard Carpenter
The Carpenters
Barbara Carr
Betty Carter
Benny Carter
The Carter Family
Peter Case
Alvin Cash
Mama Cass
Bobby Charles
Ray Charles
Chubby Checker
The Checkmates Ltd.
Cheech & Chong
Cher
Don Cherry
Mark Chesnutt
The Chi-Lites
Eric Clapton
Petula Clark
Roy Clark
Gene Clark
The Clark Sisters
Merry Clayton
Jimmy Cliff
Patsy Cline
Rosemary Clooney
Wayne Cochran
Joe Cocker
Ornette Coleman
Gloria Coleman
Mitty Collier
Jazzbo Collins
Judy Collins
Colosseum
Alice Coltrane
John Coltrane
Colours
Common
Cookie and the Cupcakes
Barbara Cook
Rita Coolidge
Stewart Copeland
The Corsairs
Dave “Baby” Cortez
Bill Cosby
Don Costa
Clifford Coulter
David Crosby
Crosby & Nash
Johnny Cougar (aka John Cougar Mellencamp)
Counting Crows
Coverdale•Page
Warren Covington
Deborah Cox
James “Sugar Boy” Crawford
Crazy Otto
Marshall Crenshaw
The Crew-Cuts
Sonny Criss
David Crosby
Bob Crosby
Bing Crosby
Sheryl Crow
Rodney Crowell
Pablo Cruise
The Crusaders
Xavier Cugat
The Cuff Links
Tim Curry
The Damned
Danny & the Juniors
Rodney Dangerfield
Bobby Darin
Helen Darling
David + David
Mac Davis
Richard Davis
Sammy Davis Jr.
Chris de Burgh
Lenny Dee
Jack DeJohnette
The Dells
The Dell-Vikings
Sandy Denny
Sugar Pie DeSanto
The Desert Rose Band
Dennis DeYoung
Neil Diamond
Bo Diddley
Difford & Tilbrook
Dillard & Clark
The Dixie Hummingbirds
Willie Dixon
DJ Shadow
Fats Domino
Jimmy Donley
Kenny Dorham
Jimmy Dorsey and His Orchestra
Lee Dorsey
The Tommy Dorsey Orchestra
Lamont Dozier
The Dramatics
The Dream Syndicate
Roy Drusky
Jimmy Durante
Deanna Durbin
The Eagles
Steve Earle
El Chicano
Danny Elfman
Yvonne Elliman
Duke Ellington
Cass Elliott
Joe Ely
John Entwistle
Eminem
Eric B. and Rakim
Gil Evans
Paul Evans
Betty Everett
Don Everly
Extreme
The Falcons
Harold Faltermeyer
Donna Fargo
Art Farmer
Freddie Fender
Ferrante & Teicher
Fever Tree
The Fifth Dimension
Ella Fitzgerald
Five Blind Boys Of Alabama
The Fixx
The Flamingos
King Floyd
The Flying Burrito Brothers
John Fogerty
Red Foley
Eddie Fontaine
The Four Aces
The Four Tops
Peter Frampton
Franke & the Knockouts
Aretha Franklin
The Rev. C.L. Franklin
The Free Movement
Glenn Frey
Lefty Frizzell
Curtis Fuller
Jerry Fuller
Lowell Fulson
Harvey Fuqua
Nelly Furtado
Hank Garland
Judy Garland
Erroll Garner
Jimmy Garrison
Larry Gatlin & the Gatlin Brothers
Gene Loves Jezebel
Barry Gibb
Georgia Gibbs
Terri Gibbs
Dizzy Gillespie
Gin Blossoms
Tompall Glaser
Tom Glazer
Whoopi Goldberg
Golden Earring
Paul Gonsalves
Benny Goodman
Dexter Gordon
Rosco Gordon
Lesley Gore
The Gospelaires
Teddy Grace
Grand Funk Railroad
Amy Grant
Earl Grant
The Grass Roots
Dobie Gray
Buddy Greco
Keith Green
Al Green
Jack Greene
Robert Greenidge
Lee Greenwood
Patty Griffin
Nanci Griffith
Dave Grusin
Guns N’ Roses
Buddy Guy
Buddy Hackett
Charlie Haden
Merle Haggard
Bill Haley and His Comets
Aaron Hall
Lani Hall
Chico Hamilton
George Hamilton IV
Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds
Marvin Hamlisch
Jan Hammer
Lionel Hampton
John Handy
Glass Harp
Slim Harpo
Richard Harris
Freddie Harts
Dan Hartman
Johnny Hartman
Coleman Hawkins
Dale Hawkins
Richie Havens
Roy Haynes
Head East
Heavy D. & the Boyz
Bobby Helms
Don Henley
Clarence “Frogman” Henry
Woody Herman and His Orchestra
Milt Herth and His Trio
John Hiatt
Al Hibbler
Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks
Monk Higgins
Jessie Hill
Earl Hines
Roger Hodgson
Hole
Billie Holiday
Jennifer Holliday
Buddy Holly
The Hollywood Flames
Eddie Holman
John Lee Hooker
Stix Hooper
Bob Hope
Paul Horn
Shirley Horn
Big Walter Horton
Thelma Houston
Rebecca Lynn Howard
Jan Howard
Freddie Hubbard
Humble Pie
Engelbert Humperdinck
Brian Hyland
The Impressions
The Ink Spots
Iron Butterfly
Burl Ives
Janet Jackson
Joe Jackson
Milt Jackson
Ahmad Jamal
Etta James
Elmore James
James Gang
Keith Jarrett
Jason & the Scorchers
Jawbreaker
Garland Jeffreys
Beverly Jenkins
Gordon Jenkins
The Jets
Jimmy Eat World
Jodeci
Johnnie Joe
The Joe Perry Project
Elton John
J.J. Johnson
K-Ci & JoJo
Al Jolson
Booker T. Jones
Elvin Jones
George Jones
Hank Jones
Jack Jones
Marti Jones
Quincy Jones
Rickie Lee Jones
Tamiko Jones
Tom Jones
Louis Jordan and His Tympany Five
The Jordanaires
Jurassic 5
Bert Kaempfert
Kitty Kallen & Georgie Shaw
The Kalin Twins
Bob Kames
Kansas
Boris Karloff
Sammy Kaye
Toby Keith
Gene Kelly
Chaka Khan
B.B. King
The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
Wayne King
The Kingsmen
The Kingston Trio
Roland Kirk
Eartha Kitt
John Klemmer
Klymaxx
Baker Knight
Chris Knight
Gladys Knight and the Pips
Krokus
Steve Kuhn
Rolf Kuhn
Joachim Kuhn
Patti LaBelle
L.A. Dream Team
Lambert, Hendricks & Ross
Frankie Lane
Denise LaSalle
Yusef Lateef
Steve Lawrence
Steve Lawrence & Eydie Gormé
Lafayette Leake
Brenda Lee
Laura Lee
Leapy Lee
Peggy Lee
Danni Leigh
The Lennon Sisters
J.B. Lenoir
Ramsey Lewis
Jerry Lee Lewis
Jerry Lewis
Meade Lux Lewis
Liberace
Lifehouse
Enoch Light
The Lightning Seeds
Limp Bizkit
Lisa Loeb
Little Axe and the Golden Echoes
Little Milton
Little River Band
Little Walter
Lobo
Nils Lofgren
Lone Justice
Guy Lombardo
Lord Tracy
The Louvin Brothers
Love
Patti Loveless
The Lovelites
Lyle Lovett
Love Unlimited
Loretta Lynn
L.T.D.
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Gloria Lynne
Moms Mabley
Willie Mabon
Warner Mack
Dave MacKay & Vicky Hamilton
Miriam Makeba
The Mamas and the Papas
Melissa Manchester
Barbara Mandrell
Chuck Mangione
Shelly Manne
Wade Marcus
Mark-Almond
Pigmeat Markham
Steve Marriott
Wink Martindale
Groucho Marx
Hugh Masekela
Dave Mason
Jerry Mason
Matthews Southern Comfort
The Mavericks
Robert Maxwell
John Mayall
Percy Mayfield
Lyle Mays
Les McCann
Delbert McClinton
Robert Lee McCollum
Marilyn McCoo & Billy Davis Jr.
Van McCoy
Jimmy McCracklin
Jack McDuff
Reba McEntire
Gary McFarland
Barry McGuire
The McGuire Sisters
Duff McKagan
Maria McKee
McKendree Spring
Marian McPartland
Clyde McPhatter
Carmen McRae
Jack McVea
Meat Loaf
Memphis Slim
Sergio Mendes
Ethel Merman
Pat Metheny
Mighty Clouds of Joy
Roger Miller
Stephanie Mills
The Mills Brothers
Liza Minnelli
Charles Mingus
Joni Mitchell
Bill Monroe
Vaughn Monroe
Wes Montgomery
Buddy Montgomery
The Moody Blues
The Moonglows
Jane Morgan
Russ Morgan
Ennio Morricone
Mos Def
Martin Mull
Gerry Mulligan
Milton Nascimento
Johnny Nash
Nazareth
Nelson
Rick Nelson & the Stone Canyon Band
Ricky Nelson
Jimmy Nelson
Oliver Nelson
Aaron Neville
Art Neville
The Neville Brothers
New Edition
New Riders of the Purple Sage
Olivia Newton-John
Night Ranger
Leonard Nimoy
Nine Inch Nails
Nirvana
The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
No Doubt
Ken Nordine
Red Norvo Sextet
Terri Nunn
The Oak Ridge Boys
Ric Ocasek
Phil Ochs
Hazel O’Connor
Chico O’Farrill
Oingo Boingo
The O’Jays
Spooner Oldham
One Flew South
Yoko Ono
Orleans
Jeffrey Osborne
The Outfield
Jackie Paris
Leo Parker
Junior Parker
Ray Parker Jr.
Dolly Parton
Les Paul
Freda Payne
Peaches & Herb
Ce Ce Peniston
The Peppermint Rainbow
Pepples
The Persuasions
Bernadette Peters
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
John Phillips
Webb Pierce
The Pinetoppers
Bill Plummer
Poco
The Pointer Sisters
The Police
Doc Pomus
Jimmy Ponder
Iggy Pop
Billy Preston
Lloyd Price
Louis Prima
Primus
Puddle Of Mudd
Red Prysock
Leroy Pullins
The Pussycat Dolls
Quarterflash
Queen Latifah
Sun Ra
The Radiants
Gerry Rafferty
Kenny Rankin
The Ray Charles Singers
The Ray-O-Vacs
The Rays
Dewey Redman
Della Reese
Martha Reeves
R.E.M.
Debbie Reynolds
Emitt Rhodes
Buddy Rich
Emil Richards
Dannie Richmond
Riders in the Sky
Stan Ridgway
Frazier River
Sam Rivers
Max Roach
Marty Roberts
Howard Roberts
The Roches
Chris Rock
Tommy Roe
Jimmy Rogers
Sonny Rollins
The Roots
Rose Royce
Jackie Ross
Doctor Ross
Rotary Connection
The Rover Boys
Roswell Rudd
Rufus and Chaka Khan
Otis Rush
Brenda Russell
Leon Russell
Pee Wee Russell
Russian Jazz Quartet
Mitch Ryder
Buffy Sainte-Marie
Joe Sample
Pharoah Sanders
The Sandpipers
Gary Saracho
Shirley Scott
Tom Scott
Dawn Sears
Neil Sedaka
Jeannie Seely
Semisonic
Charlie Sexton
Marlena Shaw
Tupac Shakur
Archie Shepp
Dinah Shore
Ben Sidran
Silver Apples
Shel Silverstein
The Simon Sisters
Ashlee Simpson
The Simpsons
Zoot Sims
P.F. Sloan
Smash Mouth
Kate Smith
Keely Smith
Tab Smith
Patti Smyth
Snoop Dogg
Valaida Snow
Jill Sobule
Soft Machine
Sonic Youth
Sonny and Cher
The Soul Stirrers
Soundgarden
Eddie South
Southern Culture on the Skids
Spinal Tap
Banana Splits
The Spokesmen
Squeeze
Jo Stafford
Chris Stamey
Joe Stampley
Michael Stanley
Kay Starr
Stealers Wheel
Steely Dan
Gwen Stefani
Steppenwolf
Cat Stevens
Billy Stewart
Sting
Sonny Stitt
Shane Stockton
George Strait
The Strawberry Alarm Clock
Strawbs
Styx
Sublime
Yma Sumac
Andy Summers
The Sundowners
Supertramp
The Surfaris
Sylvia Syms
Gábor Szabó
The Tams
Grady Tate
t.A.T.u.
Koko Taylor
Billy Taylor
Charlie Teagarden
Temple of the Dog
Clark Terry
Tesla
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Robin Thicke
Toots Thielemans
B.J. Thomas
Irma Thomas
Rufus Thomas
Hank Thompson
Lucky Thompson
Big Mama Thornton
Three Dog Night
The Three Stooges
Tiffany
Mel Tillis
Tommy & the Tom Toms
Mel Tormé
The Tragically Hip
The Trapp Family Singers
Ralph Tresvant
Ernest Tubb
The Tubes
Tanya Tucker
Tommy Tucker
The Tune Weavers
Ike Turner
Stanley Turrentine
Conway Twitty
McCoy Tyner
Phil Upchurch
Michael Utley
Leroy Van Dyke
Gino Vannelli
Van Zant
Billy Vaughan
Suzanne Vega
Vega Brothers
Veruca Salt
The Vibrations
Bobby Vinton
Voïvod
Porter Wagoner
The Waikikis
Rufus Wainwright
Rick Wakeman
Jerry Jeff Walker
The Wallflowers
Joe Walsh
Wang Chung
Clara Ward
Warrior Soul
Washboard Sam
Was (Not Was)
War
Justine Washington
The Watchmen
Muddy Waters
Jody Watley
Johnny “Guitar” Watson
The Weavers
The Dream Weavers
Ben Webster
Weezer
We Five
George Wein
Lenny Welch
Lawrence Welk
Kitty Wells
Mae West
Barry White
Michael White
Slappy White
Whitesnake
White Zombie
The Who
Whycliffe
Kim Wilde
Don Williams
Jody Williams
John Williams
Larry Williams
Lenny Williams
Leona Williams
Paul Williams
Roger Williams
Sonny Boy Williamson
Walter Winchell
Kai Winding
Johnny Winter
Wishbone Ash
Jimmy Witherspoon
Howlin’ Wolf
Bobby Womack
Lee Ann Womack
Phil Woods
Wrecks-N-Effect
O.V. Wright
Bill Wyman
Rusty York
Faron Young
Neil Young
Young Black Teenagers
Y & T
Rob Zombie



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Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: GivenToFly15 ()
Date: June 26, 2019 07:43

Heartbreaking.

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: June 26, 2019 11:12

Sheryl Crow: Universal Studios fire destroyed all my master tapes


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: Father Ted ()
Date: June 26, 2019 11:15


Idiotically, all the back-up copies were stored in the same vault according to Sheryl Crow.

"An ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense" - James A. Van Allen

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: June 26, 2019 11:40

That list! @#$%& hell!! eye popping smiley



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Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: SKILLS ()
Date: June 26, 2019 12:31

When you read the names on the list and you can feel it hurt somewhere inside, your a true music lover, now let's amplify it, imagine you created it.

The devastation is almost a tactile sensation, i hear the music in my mind, then my heart breaks thinking of the loss.

We need a global effort here, all recordings are valuable

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: June 26, 2019 22:58

I wonder which of Bill's tracks have been affected?

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 27, 2019 02:13

It somehow gets worse and worse. Wow.

Re: semi OT: UMG vault fire
Posted by: TornAndFried ()
Date: June 27, 2019 06:00

That's an amazing list of talent whose masters were lost in the UMG inferno. I'm fans of about a third of these artists, I've never heard of another third. And for the remainder I'm glad their master tapes were burned to a crisp! hot smiley



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