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tomcasagranda
I like him; he wrote Jessica, and didn't get a co-write for that. However, didn't he get a co-write for Back To Zero ? No justice in the world ??
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Chuck Leavell
My first comment when we all got together was, “Guys, when we toured in ’82, every night was the same set. Man, you all got an incredible body of work, I think you should really celebrate it.” So we started going deep, trying out some of the early songs that hadn’t been done in a long time but also, of course, we had a new record to promote.
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DandelionPowderman
<1989 was really the last great setlist put together and that was 30 years ago. 1997 was great too with the B-stage>
The VL and Licks-tours definitely deserve a mention!
I am the last person to defend Chuck but your comment should be directed to the Glimmer Twins themselves Jagger/Richard as they are the ones calling the shots (it's really Mick) Chuck is a hired gun , it's as simple as that !Quote
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Chuck Leavell
My first comment when we all got together was, “Guys, when we toured in ’82, every night was the same set. Man, you all got an incredible body of work, I think you should really celebrate it.” So we started going deep, trying out some of the early songs that hadn’t been done in a long time but also, of course, we had a new record to promote.
1989 was really the last great setlist put together and that was 30 years ago. 1997 was great too with the B-stage. But over the last couple decades, the setlist has been nothing but a letdown night after night. The new theme is what have you done for us lately? While you may have done a great job in 1989, you get an "F" for music director over the last couple decades. A ten-year-old with a "Hot Rocks" album could have made up these recent setlists.
It's not like they can't do it. After watching Mick and Keith sit and play a beautiful ballad in "Lady Jane" in London, or the magnificent version of "Country Honk" backstage or wherever it was, there is no reason or excuse why they can't find a way to create a more inclusive show for all fans. There is the proof it can happen.
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tomcasagranda
he wrote Jessica, and didn't get a co-write for that. However, didn't he get a co-write for Back To Zero ? No justice in the world ??
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DandelionPowderman
<1989 was really the last great setlist put together and that was 30 years ago. 1997 was great too with the B-stage>
The VL and Licks-tours definitely deserve a mention!
So it was all great until A Bigger Bang Tour...
Were there people actually complaining about setlists much before A Bigger Bang tour? I recall at it was during that tour the notions of "war heroes", "static setlists" and "Las Vegas Act" and things like that started to pop up here at IORR... and all that 'whining'/'healthy criticism'...
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Chuck Leavell
My first comment when we all got together was, “Guys, when we toured in ’82, every night was the same set. Man, you all got an incredible body of work, I think you should really celebrate it.” So we started going deep, trying out some of the early songs that hadn’t been done in a long time but also, of course, we had a new record to promote.
1989 was really the last great setlist put together and that was 30 years ago. 1997 was great too with the B-stage. But over the last couple decades, the setlist has been nothing but a letdown night after night. The new theme is what have you done for us lately? While you may have done a great job in 1989, you get an "F" for music director over the last couple decades. A ten-year-old with a "Hot Rocks" album could have made up these recent setlists.
It's not like they can't do it. After watching Mick and Keith sit and play a beautiful ballad in "Lady Jane" in London, or the magnificent version of "Country Honk" backstage or wherever it was, there is no reason or excuse why they can't find a way to create a more inclusive show for all fans. There is the proof it can happen.
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tomcasagranda
I like him; he wrote Jessica, and didn't get a co-write for that. However, didn't he get a co-write for Back To Zero ? No justice in the world ??
Betts and Les Dudek wrote Jessica. The latter didn't receive credits, although he kinda saved the song with the bridge.
Has Chuck also claimed that he wrote it?
Very good point . There is the notion of trying to recreate the album track versus a more organic interpretation of the song pre 1989 when Chuck was not the "music director" and then on any given night of the tour the magic would happen or the train would fly off the track and down a gorge/ravine . There are some great examples of live recordings that were magical ,for instance Brussels 1973, Ladies and Gentleman 1972, Get Yer Ya Ya's Out 1969 (come to think of it that is the golden period with Mick Taylor, no offense Woody ) As far as the Las Vegas era comment above -I believe that really began in 1989 . The old adage still does apply that a tree that is to rigid in the wind might snap when a big wind comes along and there has to be some flexibility . Getting back to Chuck as he is often refered to as the musical director -which I think is a mislabel as he still reports to his supervisor Mick Jagger and I think Chuck is more like the librarian of the Symphony Orchestra in that he is responsible for the sheet music that the musicians use on stage and to draw out chord charts and probably the only musical director duty he really does is he gives cues on stage like the conductor or maestro would do to the symphony orchestra .So I am the last person to defend Chuck Leavell but he really is following orders !Quote
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tomcasagranda
he wrote Jessica, and didn't get a co-write for that. However, didn't he get a co-write for Back To Zero ? No justice in the world ??
That's karma!
“Jeez, I’ve forgotten how the middle eight goes on this thing” or “Did we have the solo before the second chorus?” And I had all that."
That may be the problem : Chuck's precise time machine might make the Stones' musical machine a bit stiff and repetitive. i'd much rather see the band not remembering that middle eight part and just make a new one on the spot in the rehearsal space.
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DandelionPowderman
Thanks, More Hot Rocks
One question: How could Chuck disagree when he wasn't present (according to Dudek, that is):
«Betts had invited him over for dinner, and instructed him to bring his acoustic guitar. They played the song together, and Betts became frustrated, as it went nowhere following the opening and main verse riff. According to Dudek, he formed the bridge section while Betts was away, checking on their steaks. Upon his return, Dudek showed him his new section. "Dickey lit up like a lightbulb he was so happy, because now we had the new section the song desperately needed," he remarked. The two hopped in Betts's pickup truck with their guitars in excitement, with intentions to show each band member their new instrumental. "I'll never forget, right when we got in Dickey's truck, it started to lightly, almost mystically, snow, as if it was Duane sending us a message: 'Hey, you guys finally got that tune».
I actually do because I was to young to have seen the Golden era Stones with Mick Taylor except for the 50th anniversary shows and the 50 and counting shows where Taylor would join them for a few songs .Quote
Rockman
Don't think I'm barking up the wrong tree … but I bet ya he loves Woody to pieces…..