Yes, let's do this with Flac Frontend. dpPowerAmp is great software and I am using it too, but let's not confuse HoundDog too many alternatives.

you can download all the codecs from dB convertor also
i never ever had problems with it
and i have used alot of convertors looking for the best one

no dragging or dropping
right click and convert
dBpowerAmp is the best
You will never need another one
Trust

Ok, I have foobar opened, should I use that or is dBpowerAmp music convertor easier. I have been using a Windows Media Player cd burner so which ever one is compatible with that I will go with.

Hound Dog, I´ll go out for an hour or two soon (getting beer, hehe), if you don´t solve your problems, you can mail me, and we can try to solve your problems off list. If it´s not something you feel could benefit all, ok?

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

So there is no way to burn flac files directly to a CD? If not, then what's the use of creating them if you cannot play them?

Too bad iTunes doesn't (yet) support the flac format. That's probably because it competes with Apple's own lossless format. It would make it so much easier to organize and burn your files.

hound
on dBpowerAmp music convertor
when you right click on you file
do you see a "convert to" icon?

The reason for creating them is to downsize the files for downloading.
Hound Dog, if you get the FLAC codec for DB Poweramp, yes, that will be easier.

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

Is it so difficult???
Just get the plug-in for Nero and you can burn your FLAC files directly. [flac.sourceforge.net]
Or get Burnn [www.burrrn.net]
To my best knowledge, this CD burning software should be able to handle FLAC files. All the other methods involve compression and thus loss in quality...

Especially, if you want to burn them on CD it is not a good idea to compress the files. For mp3 players you can/have to. I use this dbpower thing for that.

Sjouke



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2005-09-30 17:38 by Sjouke.

The codec for DB Poweramp is here:
[www.dbpoweramp.com]

When installed, you just rightclick on your FLACfiles (you can highlight and choose them all at once, if you want) and you will see the option "convert".
Then you get the options of outputformat and outputfile. Choose what you want, run the program, and you´re done!

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

Ok, now I have three programs. The dB one is opened but I can't find how to open the torrent from that program and I can't drag them.

When I try to right click on them it just says show hidden files.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-09-30 17:43 by Hound Dog.

Hound Dog Wrote:
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> I am still lost, I have downloaded two different
> programs to do this, foobar and the one on
> stonesviking.
>
> Gonna find my way to heaven, cause I did my time
> in hell


hound dog! sorry you are a bit confused
so you downloaded the foobar ok did came on your screen the player or click on your shortcut of foobar on your desktop now you see the player right!
click on open button and look whhere you saved the flac folder click on flac folder an you will see the flac files, artwork folder the info folder, click on flac files[ usually the names of the songs corresponding the flac files] one of them and you see a new window ,click on open down right-bottom ok now you see the file start playing
on the file right-click and down on the meddle you see the word =convert= click on =run conversation and a little window appear[top-left= WAV [ PCM , fixed-point] and press ok tells you where to save the new wav press agan ok after finished conversation go to the folder you saved the wav

"You can hear click between the tracks. Even if it's only tiny click and nothing more I prefer to hear music without those clicks."

I don't know how you proceed to burn MP3 files, but I don't have that click between tracks.

So does anyone want to trade me for this Columbus cd, I think I messed up my computer downloading all these programs. I am at work so its not my personal computer.
I have a great Mick Taylor live in Frankfurt cd that I just got that is really good.

stonefan Wrote:
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> "You can hear click between the tracks. Even if
> it's only tiny click and nothing more I prefer to
> hear music without those clicks."
>
> I don't know how you proceed to burn MP3 files,
> but I don't have that click between tracks.

Using Nero or Feurio. But I am not expert of converting mp3 to wav format.

I can understand if you want your music in mp3 format if your are using mp3 player, but I really don't get it if you first like to have them in mp3 format and then you convert them to wav's and burn them to CDR's. But hey, it's free world... I don't collect mp3's, but it is ok for me if you do.

But let's help HoundDog (and others) now.

Hound Dog, have you actually downloaded the FLAC files themselves, or have you just downloaded the .torrent file? The .torrent file is small (usually less than 100 K), but FLAC files will take several hours to download, depending on your connection speed.

You need to load the .torrent file into a BitTorrent program (try BitTornado - [www.bittornado.com]), then the FLAC files will start downloading. Once the download has finished, that's when you use FLAC Frontend (or another program) to convert the FLAC files to WAV, which you can then burn onto a CD-R.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2005-09-30 18:12 by Andy L.

Yes, I beleive I did, it took several hours (left it on all night) and the files say FLAC next to them. I am just going to buy or trade for a copy at this point. Thanks everyone for trying to guide me through this.

Hound Dog Wrote:
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> So does anyone want to trade me for this Columbus
> cd, I think I messed up my computer downloading
> all these programs. I am at work so its not my
> personal computer.
> I have a great Mick Taylor live in Frankfurt cd
> that I just got that is really good.
>
> Gonna find my way to heaven, cause I did my time
> in hell


hound dog is really easy look ;
open the flac folder and you see the files
ex. CD1Track01
FLAC File
9.150 KB - right-click and Open With... select a program from the list-foobar 2000 ok you see the player playing the song,right-click on CD1Tracko1 on the player and select convert=run conversation, the little window appear on top-left of your player WVAV[PCM,fixed-point] press ok select the folder wich you like to save and press again ok you see the file being converted to wav go to the folder where you saved the wav that's all
you have to learn hundreds off bootlegs waiting for you...

Auster,
I have downloaded mp3 files from here and there and i don't have any click when I burn them on CD.

I honestly can't tell the difference between a CD burned with FLAC files and one burned with 192 kbs MP3 files. I guess I am not that much of an audiophile. I am a big music fan, but never was very good at distinguishing between the sound of a good stereo and a REALLY good stereo (ie, one that costs big bucks). It's the same way with MP3s vs. FLAC to me.

I don't delete the FLAC files after I get them; I keep them along with the MP3 versions I create. I figure at some point someone may want a copy, and I want to give them FLAC because it's the best possible quality (maybe they'll be able to tell the difference even if I can't). I'm burning my CDs now with FLAC as well. But, I still keep the MP3s. They are playable in a lot more programs than FLAC. Sure, people ought to have the programs to play and burn FLAC, but many don't and don't want to fool with it. If you're at a party or something sometimes you just want to pop in some tunes without having to install any software on someone else's computer.

Plus, MP3 files are much smaller, which makes them more convenient for storage and download. Some people don't have fast connections - it can be a challenge for them to download MP3s, never mind the huge FLAC files.

So, it's no wonder some people prefer MP3s despite the loss of quality (which I and others can't really hear).

stonefan Wrote:
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> Auster,
> I have downloaded mp3 files from here and there
> and i don't have any click when I burn them on
> CD.
>

stonefan on live performances where the songs flow into another you hear gaps of silence betwen the tracks. of course you can eleminate the gaps by cuting the last ms in the end and begginings of tracks but deppending on mp3 encoder the gaps varies from a few ms to half sec

One more thought - I still listen to a lot of stuff from 1989 and earlier on vinyl, which I guess would horrify a true audiophile. Albums like Sticky Fingers sound better to me on CD than on vinyl, but only a little, so many times I listen to the vinyl. Some say vinyl has a "warmer" sound and prefer it. I'm not hearing that and prefer the CD versions, but still like to kick it old school sometime. What do you sticklers for quality think about the merits of good old vinyl?

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> I honestly can't tell the difference between a CD
> burned with FLAC files and one burned with 192 kbs
> MP3 files. I guess I am not that much of an
> audiophile. I am a big music fan, but never was
> very good at distinguishing between the sound of a
> good stereo and a REALLY good stereo (ie, one that
> costs big bucks). It's the same way with MP3s vs.
> FLAC to me.
>
> I don't delete the FLAC files after I get them; I
> keep them along with the MP3 versions I create. I
> figure at some point someone may want a copy, and
> I want to give them FLAC because it's the best
> possible quality (maybe they'll be able to tell
> the difference even if I can't). I'm burning my
> CDs now with FLAC as well. But, I still keep the
> MP3s. They are playable in a lot more programs
> than FLAC. Sure, people ought to have the programs
> to play and burn FLAC, but many don't and don't
> want to fool with it. If you're at a party or
> something sometimes you just want to pop in some
> tunes without having to install any software on
> someone else's computer.
>
> Plus, MP3 files are much smaller, which makes them
> more convenient for storage and download. Some
> people don't have fast connections - it can be a
> challenge for them to download MP3s, never mind
> the huge FLAC files.
>
> So, it's no wonder some people prefer MP3s despite
> the loss of quality (which I and others can't
> really hear).

when you burn a cd flac files being converted to wav
mp3 files being converted to wav
so we have two wav files different from each other the flac-wav =non-lossy
mp3-wav=lossy ok now get cd you burned from mp3 file !! rip the files to flac-wav-mp3 and start again mp3-wav-cd rip again on wav- mp3 and trade on winmx soulseek!!!! so if you have the non-lossy material burn quick to a cd no reason get the flac rip on wav then mp3 then burn on cd just convert to wav -cd

stonefan Wrote:
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> no a wav is superior to a flac file

Tornandfrayed :
No it´s not. FLAC compresses the .wav audio without any quality loss (contrary to .mp3). That´s why it´s a LOSSLESS codec.


then, how do you explain that :
I have converted rip this joint (from the original CD) into a flac file using a compression level 0, it makes 16,3 Mo...when converted to wav file, it makes
24 Mo...
so, it is obvious that wav files are less compressed than flac files..
so, from now on, torrents should only be wav files !

stonefan Wrote:
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>
> then, how do you explain that :
> I have converted rip this joint (from the original
> CD) into a flac file using a compression level 0,
> it makes 16,3 Mo...when converted to wav file, it
> makes
> 24 Mo...
> so, it is obvious that wav files are less
> compressed than flac files..
> so, from now on, torrents should only be wav files
> !

Oh come on... I am not sure if you are serious, but in case you are: there are lossless compressions and lossy compressions. If you are using lossless compressions like flac (or whatever) you can't say that one is superior to other. If you compress the wav file to flac and then decompress flac back to wav you get exactly (bit by bit) same file than original wav. Then how can you say that wav is superior than flac? It makes no sense.






Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-09-30 20:34 by Auster.

stonefan Wrote:
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> stonefan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > no a wav is superior to a flac file
>
> Tornandfrayed :
> No it´s not. FLAC compresses the .wav audio
> without any quality loss (contrary to .mp3).
> That´s why it´s a LOSSLESS codec.
>
>
> then, how do you explain that :
> I have converted rip this joint (from the original
> CD) into a flac file using a compression level 0,
> it makes 16,3 Mo...when converted to wav file, it
> makes
> 24 Mo...
> so, it is obvious that wav files are less
> compressed than flac files..
> so, from now on, torrents should only be wav files
> !

Wrong again - FLAC files are automatically decompressed when they played. The audio data is contained in a 'wrapper', which is the reason for the smaller file size. FLACs are like zip files - when decompressed, you get an exact copy of the original file.

If you don't believe me, download Foobar2000 with the binary comparator module (foo_bitcompare) and use it to compare a WAV file and a FLAC version of the same file. The program will compare the decoded audio data of both files and should give a message saying that they are identical.

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> I honestly can't tell the difference between a CD
> burned with FLAC files and one burned with 192 kbs
> MP3 files. I guess I am not that much of an
> audiophile. I am a big music fan, but never was
> very good at distinguishing between the sound of a
> good stereo and a REALLY good stereo (ie, one that
> costs big bucks). It's the same way with MP3s vs.
> FLAC to me.
>
> I don't delete the FLAC files after I get them; I
> keep them along with the MP3 versions I create. I
> figure at some point someone may want a copy, and
> I want to give them FLAC because it's the best
> possible quality (maybe they'll be able to tell
> the difference even if I can't). I'm burning my
> CDs now with FLAC as well. But, I still keep the
> MP3s. They are playable in a lot more programs
> than FLAC. Sure, people ought to have the programs
> to play and burn FLAC, but many don't and don't
> want to fool with it. If you're at a party or
> something sometimes you just want to pop in some
> tunes without having to install any software on
> someone else's computer.
>
> Plus, MP3 files are much smaller, which makes them
> more convenient for storage and download. Some
> people don't have fast connections - it can be a
> challenge for them to download MP3s, never mind
> the huge FLAC files.
>
> So, it's no wonder some people prefer MP3s despite
> the loss of quality (which I and others can't
> really hear).

Again, it's not whether you can hear the difference, it's the very fact that sound information has been lost. In that respect, it's no different to cassette generations. If you had the choice, would you knowingly go for a high gen tape over a low gen copy? If a recording is passed through, say, ten or twenty people, and each person encodes it to MP3, then you'd have no trouble hearing the difference.

If you don't have the bandwidth to download lossless files, join one of the trees at Shidoobee or get in on the weeds/vines at Rollingstonesboots and hear the music as the taper intended it to be heard.

mickijaggeroo Wrote:
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> Hound Dog:
>
> 1.Open the folder with the Flacfiles in it, let it
> be open on your PC desktop, ok?
>
> 2. Start Flac Frontend. Put them side by side on
> your desktop.
>
> 3.Now, highligt all the files together in the
> FLACfolder, drag them into the empty window in
> Frontend.
>
> 4. press the decodebutton in Frontend, let the
> output directory be the same as the input
> directory, in other words, don´t change anything
> in that option.
>
> 5. Refresh your FLACfolder if necessary after
> Frontend is done, if necessary.
> You will now see the files you decoded, in the
> format you choose.
>
> 6 Repeat all of the above until you got it, ok?
>
> Vilhelm
> aka MICKIJAGGEROO!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> mickijag

> 3;ero@ston&
> #101;sviking

> 15;.com
>
>
>
> Looking for pics from Gothenburg 1970 and
> Copenhagen 1990, contact me.


Mickijaggeroo,

Isn't it just easier to start FLAC TORRENT, and press the "add" button in the right corner above ?
Then you can select the folder with the FLAC-Files, and then select the FLAC-Files themselves, instead of dragging them into the window.
By the way, I am new too on downloading torrents, FLAC-Files, converting and burning FLAC-Files, but it worked for me, downloading and using FLAC-Torrent in just one night.
Yesterday I burned it, and today I played the Columbus Concert in my car ( in Europe ), only 6 days after the played the gig for real !!!
Amazing.

I just started downloading Dead shows at archive.org. It took a while to figure it out (Mac user) but I think I've got it now. What I need to know is it OK to download mutliple shows at once? They take a while to DL so I'm not sure if it's smart to do mulitple's. Can't wait to hear the Columbus show.

HappyRambler,any wich way that does the job, is the right way.
For those who missed the guide, visit StonesVikings, and click GUIDE on the minpage.

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings