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All Right ! - Please keep me out of this dog fight !

I was aware of the earlier thread, - but when read, I didn't find Hurristone´s
infos very informative, - and certainly didn't like his "style". . .

I'm still not sure if PS actually is in "True (but very narrow) Stereo" - or some kind of ERPS - ?

Reelstone was just mis-informed.

Just true stereo, but narrow except for that harmonica overdub and the end noises/sounds where you hear the spread more obviously.

Well, - I was willing to follow you on the "True-but Narrow Stereo" -
if it wasn't for one thing . . . that the Harmonica-incident is (almost ?)
abcent on CD-releases of BB -! -?
This could actually speak for, that PS was an ERPS-production - !
On the other hand you have a point regarding sounds/noises at the end -
especially the "background noise" - that changes position, -when shifting
Mono / Stereo / Mono / Stereo. . . . .
Great Info !



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I hear the right speaker harmonica on my speed corrected Japanese HDCD version and itunes download. I used to own an old London CD, but can't recall hearing it on that.

I assume they went for narrow stereo due to the type of music and the sparse arrangement.

I don't get any sense or feel that it's a ERPS thing on the official stereo releases, but that it's mostly a very centred/narrow stereo mix with a couple of wide stereo moments.



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OK, guys, in most cases I do trust my ears but in the case of narrow stereo, ERPS and similar I turn to computer. I.e. to my eyes .

Here is a deal, PS in true mono in digital domain exists only on the CD from the box In Mono. In all other cases - there are a lot of junk. Instruments and vocals do not cancel.
I rip (accurip mode) files from original discs. These are the results.

Here are initial 2 channels for CD from In Mono box

And these are channel 1 - channel 2 (upper part) and channel 1 + channel 2 (lower part).

As you see, channels cancel completely.

Here is initial channels from West German CD 800 084-2 from 1984.

And these are channel 1 - channel 2 (upper part) and channel 1 + channel 2 (lower part).

As you see the channels do not cancel. You got junk all over the song. If you'll play that junk you'll hear everything: weird vocal, remains of all the instruments, noise etc. Apparently, they were using really bad tape or the tape was not properly aligned, or whatever they did in 1968

Thus, I believe any release before In Mono box, apparently, contain strange 'semi-mono' mix .

PS. SACD 2002 also does not cancel like this

Ironbelly ! That's Great !

"Semi Mono Mix" - Not strange it´s hard to hear, - even if you consider yourself
to have a well-trained ear !

It is however a fact, - that there ARE subtle differences between Mono and Stereo vinyl releases ! - I had just never been aware of them earlier, -
I believed them all to be Mono. . . .

WEIRD ! - and what a strange production, - and what a Fantastic song ! ! !

The harmonica coming in on the right speaker makes it rather obvious it is a stereo mix. Then there's all the other subtleties of the narrow, but spread instrumentation that you don't get with mono mixes.

So yes, a stereo mix on the stereo releases.

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The harmonica coming in on the right speaker makes it rather obvious it is a stereo mix. Then there's all the other subtleties of the narrow, but spread instrumentation that you don't get with mono mixes.

So yes, a stereo mix on the stereo releases.

Just played loud W. German CD 1984 and SACD 2002. Sure, there is clear harmonica in the right channel at 2.09-2.13. BTW it is very interesting to hear the remains of the channels subtraction. It contains almost all, but distorted, instruments, i.e. there is separation, very weak but it is there.

His Majesty is right.

I have the original Decca stereo LP from 1968 made in Great Britain.
I have the U S Abkco London records CD made in the U S.
I have the Abcko SACD made in the U S.

They all have the stereo mix His Majesty describes.

The Rolling Stones released this version/this mix because they wanted the track Prodigal Son to sound like it does!

I think that this is terrific Stonesology on a high level !

Thanks a lot for clarifying the Stereo-Prodigal Son - up to an
almost scientific level . . . !

No more discussing whether it is Mono or Stereo, - it´s Very Narrow Stereo !

Personaly I find the "harmonica-thing" more prominent on the vinyls -
than on CDs . . . but really no issue . . .

What is left now, is to find out what kind-of-fish this strange production
on Yoguslavian BB is - ? Personally I expect some kind of ERPS-production - ?

I´ll be back with phase-analysis - and if OK I´ll send Ironbelly a sound clip
to run in his "machinery" - That would be quite interesting . . . !