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Rocky Dijon
Very nice of Jamming Edward to share. I remember hearing a snippet of this a couple years back when it first surfaced. One of Keith's better guide vocals. It sounds like Mick added his backing vocal later. Interesting Keith hadn't hit on the title yet.

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IrelandCalling4
Any particular boot title this one would be on?

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IrelandCalling4
Any particular boot title this one would be on?

It was posted in the Hot Stuff-forum a couple of months ago. It was on an Undercover sessions-bootleg.

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IrelandCalling4
Thanks very much for the info on the All About You DAC boot, I must obtain that one. Love the song and the album.

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snorton
I always perceived the original song as Keith complaining about Mick....anybody else draw that conclusion?

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Doxa
Thank you, IrelandCalling4! One of the treasures of IORR is to discover things like this!

"All About You" has always been my favourite 'Richards ballad' with "You Got The Silver", and probably the most memorable and distinguished song in EMOTIONAL RESCUE. This 'Alternative Version', with seemingly a final backing track and a bit worked guide vocals, shows clearly that they already have a winner in their hands. Keith's warm and roughly sweet voice fits so perfectly in it ("We Had It All" being a similar case from the same era). It is so natural, without the cliches of over-interpretation his later crooner numbers (which can be great by their own means). Nice to hear a bit Jagger there, but I think it was a wise arrangement idea that he wasn't used more in the final mix (though I guess Mick is there on the muddy chorus choir there as well, but without his distinguished sound coming through). Since Jagger is already here at this stage of "The Train Song" turning into "All About You", I wonder might him had something to do with in writing the final lyrics.

Thanks again!

- Doxa

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Doxa
Thank you, IrelandCalling4! One of the treasures of IORR is to discover things like this!

"All About You" has always been my favourite 'Richards ballad' with "You Got The Silver", and probably the most memorable and distinguished song in EMOTIONAL RESCUE. This 'Alternative Version', with seemingly a final backing track and a bit worked guide vocals, shows clearly that they already have a winner in their hands. Keith's warm and roughly sweet voice fits so perfectly in it ("We Had It All" being a similar case from the same era). It is so natural, without the cliches of over-interpretation his later crooner numbers (which can be great by their own means). Nice to hear a bit Jagger there, but I think it was a wise arrangement idea that he wasn't used more in the final mix (though I guess Mick is there on the muddy chorus choir there as well, but without his distinguished sound coming through). Since Jagger is already here at this stage of "The Train Song" turning into "All About You", I wonder might him had something to do with in writing the final lyrics.

Thanks again!

- Doxa

Lol you love to put Jagger into everything .
Just enjoy the pure bliss of Keith's genius without manipulating things towards Mick all the time. Its been noted, it gets embarrassing and ruins your credibility

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To claim Mick had any part in writing the lyrics to this track is just conjecture, so why even hint it, i don't get it, we want the truth as best we see it from the evidence we have available to us.

I can't see Keith wanting to share such personal lyrics.

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Also Mick will stake claim on anything he can but he has never claimed to have taken any part in the writing of All About You, so why are you permitting licence to Mick for just that. I think Mick and Keith have a better idea of what they have participated in creatively than you Doxa.

Don't get me wrong, i think you are valued on here and i certainly enjoy so much of what you write, but your imagination as a writer gets the better of you on occasion

You are very clever but i get the feeling that you are trying to rewrite history sometimes.
Sorry for being so blunt but please at least leave this one gem of a song to Keith, i don't think Mick has written anything remotely like it, it has no hallmark of Jagger about it.

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Doxa

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To claim Mick had any part in writing the lyrics to this track is just conjecture, so why even hint it, i don't get it, we want the truth as best we see it from the evidence we have available to us.

I can't see Keith wanting to share such personal lyrics.

hahhaha...the pot calling the kettle black....spare me/us.

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Also Mick will stake claim on anything he can but he has never claimed to have taken any part in the writing of All About You, so why are you permitting licence to Mick for just that. I think Mick and Keith have a better idea of what they have participated in creatively than you Doxa.

Don't get me wrong, i think you are valued on here and i certainly enjoy so much of what you write, but your imagination as a writer gets the better of you on occasion

You are very clever but i get the feeling that you are trying to rewrite history sometimes.
Sorry for being so blunt but please at least leave this one gem of a song to Keith, i don't think Mick has written anything remotely like it, it has no hallmark of Jagger about it.

Hmm.. this part appeared while I was doing my response. So let me please do it now.

What Mick or Keith have said about writing certain songs or part of them is generally never that strict. Yep, there've been "Mick's songs' and 'Keith's songs' they talk about, but which do not mean that the other hadn't put something on them. For example, when Jagger has said to have made lyrics, he also himself have said that he has discussed them with Keith, him making suggestions, changing some phrases, picking up or leaving out some lines or even verses. At least back at the good old times, Jagger-Richards partnership meant that they used each other as a creative sparring and control parther, as someone from whom to expect a guide or a suggestion or a help - they seemingly respected each other's opinion. Sometimes those suggestions and guides go so deep to the very constitution or outcome of the song that it comes vague to even say who did and what.

As far as "All About You" go, surely it is a 'Keith song' as it can be - he wrote the music, the melody, laid the feel, and wrote surely if not totally all, but a significiant amount of the lyrics - there never been any doubt about that (and I never thought anyone could think I was claiming anything else above! But who I am know the sensitivity of Keith Richards harcore fan club...). What I did suggest was barely that of Mick had something to do 'helping' Keith there to get the song into a final form, since he seemingly happened to be there. Because that's something they - The Glimmer Twins - do (or at least did still back then). Here a hypothetical scenario:

- Keith, what the hell you try to say with these lyrics you mumble?
- it's all about you, mate.
- alright, there you have it - the title... "All About You"
- haha, yeah!

What goes for me 'rewriting history', yeah, I admit that's exactly what I do, since I find the history written so far based on too much on myths, prejudices, sometimes on pure bullshit and wish-talk, and, probaly most importantly, on personal taste. The reality is always much more rich and complicated than the simple stories trying to capture it. And there is always more than one truth. With the Stones, the simplifying way to treat and see Jagger - probably the most difficult person to grasp and classify in rock music ever because there is so much contradictions - has been one those things I have started being much critical about - never been my desire to be any Jagger supporter more than that of Keith's (and the whole idea of taking sides between them feels to me absurd), but of course, when I try to explicate the things from the angle of Jagger, that is seen as some Jagger fanboy stuff, and, even worse and oddily, I do belittle or even hate Keith Richards. I simply find Jagger as a fascinating, odd figure escaping even my concepts - but as a Stones fan I don't find anything wrong with that. Though the Richards side - pretty much the bulk of hardcore Rolling Stones fans I think - disagrees with it. For them even the idea of trying to see things from the side of Jagger, trying to understand the guy with some positive terms, is 'rewriting history' because it challenges the 'received view' of seeing Keith Richards as a true and only 'hero' and 'genius' of The Rolling Stones. On myth we trust. The history of 'received view' ways go back, but I leave that out now (I might write a book about it some day...)

For example, when you state that 'Mick will stake claim on anything he can', with respect, that's doesn't say anything more than something of yourself and of your own prejudices. If you would pay a bit more attention what the guy has said of his accomplishments, you would see that he is exactly the opposite. It is almost corny for a 'serious') Rolling Stones fan how much he sometimes downplays or belittles some of his own and of his band's past doings - seeing nothing extraordinary or important there (a typical Englishman...). But I am afraid, through your Keith Richards worship glasses, since 'Keef' is your 'man' and you love and defend him dearly, you will 'see' something, which makes Jane Rose proud of herself. For example, when Jagger decades later finally revealed that he actually came up with "Brown Sugar", and even wrote the riff of it, you find that him 'stake claim everything he can' - and putting down Keith? Because of saying something Keith has also admitted being the case, him contributing only to "sound" and "arrangement" (and neither of the Twins seeing anything extraordinary in such 'credition' claims - just stating some matters of factual things, if someone is interested in asking). And if memory serves, Jagger said in that same "Jagger Remembers" interview that "Ruby Tuesday" is his favourite Stones ballad, despite him - making it clear there - having nothing to do with writing of it. Why did he need to 'reveal' that trivial fact - taking that his name is even included in credition? Wouldn't that make him look bad? Because - my guess - he doesn't see that as such a big deal who wrote and what in the long run. He doesn't need to. Neither Keith.

Huh, what a rant. And I thought I was here just stating some rather obvious and good-hearted remarks about "All About You" and how much I like it.

- Doxa

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Don't you really have no other problems? This forum turns into a freak-show, unfortunately.