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keithsman
Lisa is a class act and she will keep the reason or reasons why she left, or was asked to leave to herself.
Err...
"During her years with the group, she fitted in Grand Baton tours when she could, including a date in Victoria weeks before she left the Stones, but eventually the pluses stopped outweighing the minuses.
After a quarter-century, she figured it was time to venture out on her own.
“It got to the point where I was running myself ragged, and I felt like I wasn’t giving my best because I was so exhausted.
“It was a scary time for me, so I finally had to make a decision. I cried when I made that phone call.”
"“I think 20 Feet From Stardom opened the doors for my more complete self, after years of doing different things in different arenas,” Fischer said.
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keithsman
we are just talking here about an important contribution to the Stones in the last few decades
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Doxa
Actually I do not believe that there is actually one particular reason why people leave the supposed dream job. I don't think it is singulary the drug problem or not getting royalties or being artistcally frustrated or wife whispering something into your ear or leaving the ship before it stinks or making a huge solo career why Mick Taylor once decided to leave, but more like all - or some - of them being a group of reasons that had a conribution leading into a final decision. All/some/any of those together might have some sort of causal effect to make up one's mind ready to one day to come up with that idea 'fvck it, I go' (though any of them can be the last nail in the coffin, so to speak). The same with Bill Wyman (I, for example, do not believe that being afraid of flying was the sole reason for his departure, though it surely had some role).
And the same is with Lisa Fisher. I do believe that the schedule thing has a role here - and probably the final 'nail' was that of the tour of her band clashing with the Stones one that forced her to make the decision. But I also believe that there was something in her 'dream job' that had caused her to re-think the worth of it. And most likely there can be some other reasons as well we don't have even a clue about.
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Stoneage
Important contribution? She was a backup singer. There are thousands of those. Her real contribution was her sex appeal. Sex always sells. Especially to a male dominated audience.
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MisterDDDD
The glaring omission in the in depth analysis'/theories on her departure is the wave of success she was riding when she left. Tough to debate that it wasn't the perfect timing for her to take her shot at headlining even if you doubt her own words.The theories would be more plausible if the timeline had been different.
Twenty feet From Stardom was as an Academy Award and Grammy winning film and a box office success.The success of the film was the obvious catalyst.
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The glaring omission in the in depth analysis'/theories on her departure is the wave of success she was riding when she left. Tough to debate that it wasn't the perfect timing for her to take her shot at headlining even if you doubt her own words.The theories would be more plausible if the timeline had been different.
Twenty feet From Stardom was as an Academy Award and Grammy winning film and a box office success.The success of the film was the obvious catalyst.
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MisterDDDD
The glaring omission in the in depth analysis'/theories on her departure is the wave of success she was riding when she left. Tough to debate that it wasn't the perfect timing for her to take her shot at headlining even if you doubt her own words.The theories would be more plausible if the timeline had been different.
Twenty feet From Stardom was as an Academy Award and Grammy winning film and a box office success.The success of the film was the obvious catalyst.
Spot on! The recognition she got was the catalyst for making that decision.
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keithsman
Make your mind up MisterDDDD, just now you made it clear that the very reason she left the Stones was explained in her interview on page 1 of this thread.
After pointing that out to me, you now say its because of the success of her film.
Do you have to keep playing Devils Advocate on this forum.
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The glaring omission in the in depth analysis'/theories on her departure is the wave of success she was riding when she left. Tough to debate that it wasn't the perfect timing for her to take her shot at headlining even if you doubt her own words.The theories would be more plausible if the timeline had been different.
Twenty feet From Stardom was as an Academy Award and Grammy winning film and a box office success.The success of the film was the obvious catalyst.
Spot on! The recognition she got was the catalyst for making that decision.
You know that for a fact do you ?
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MisterDDDD
The glaring omission in the in depth analysis'/theories on her departure is the wave of success she was riding when she left. Tough to debate that it wasn't the perfect timing for her to take her shot at headlining even if you doubt her own words.The theories would be more plausible if the timeline had been different.
Twenty feet From Stardom was as an Academy Award and Grammy winning film and a box office success.The success of the film was the obvious catalyst.
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keithsman
Lisa . Part of the problem, Fischer said, was that the Rolling Stones required her to be in each city on their tours a day prior to the show. That type of commitment — three days for one show, which is totally understandable, Fischer said, given the size of the operation — didn’t leave much room for her solo career.sa "
Why put words into Lisa's mouth , she didn't say the reason she left the Stones was because of the success of the film.
I doubt many Stones concert goers went to see that film let alone heard of it, i certainly hadn't heard about it. It's independent of the Stones, personally i think the reason people go to see Lisa or Bernard live is because they have become famous through the Stones.
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keithsman
Make your mind up MisterDDDD, just now you made it clear that the very reason she left the Stones was explained in her interview on page 1 of this thread.
After pointing that out to me, you now say its because of the success of her film.
Do you have to keep playing Devils Advocate on this forum.
Tough time tracking what your putting down.
Posted a few quotes where she talked about her reasons, including timing etc., but that ended with “I think 20 Feet From Stardom opened the doors for my more complete self, after years of doing different things in different arenas,” Fischer said." [iorr.org]
Honestly thought you must not have read any of it.
Cheers.
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Doxa
I did mention that in my first post here, and before me, somebody else(s) too...
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keithsman
Lisa . Part of the problem, Fischer said, was that the Rolling Stones required her to be in each city on their tours a day prior to the show. That type of commitment — three days for one show, which is totally understandable, Fischer said, given the size of the operation — didn’t leave much room for her solo career.sa "
Why put words into Lisa's mouth , she didn't say the reason she left the Stones was because of the success of the film.
I doubt many Stones concert goers went to see that film let alone heard of it, i certainly hadn't heard about it. It's independent of the Stones, personally i think the reason people go to see Lisa or Bernard live is because they have become famous through the Stones.
Umm, Words in her mouth?
I quoted her.
You really should read the article.
And maybe even see the film, took my wife and daughter when it opened it was
fantastic!! Available on various streaming devices and dvd now.
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Make your mind up MisterDDDD, just now you made it clear that the very reason she left the Stones was explained in her interview on page 1 of this thread.
After pointing that out to me, you now say its because of the success of her film.
Do you have to keep playing Devils Advocate on this forum.
Tough time tracking what your putting down.
Posted a few quotes where she talked about her reasons, including timing etc., but that ended with “I think 20 Feet From Stardom opened the doors for my more complete self, after years of doing different things in different arenas,” Fischer said." [iorr.org]
Honestly thought you must not have read any of it.
Cheers.
I read it and then gave the reasons why i thought she left the Stones.
I think between Doxa and myself we have explained that there are many reasons that build up to a decision like that. I don't think its as cut and try and calculating as being down to the success a film. That is making Lisa out to be a bit more cynical than she probably is.
I'm past caring now , wish i hadn't posted at all.
Cheers.
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keithsman
...personally i think the reason people go to see Lisa or Bernard live is because they have become famous through the Stones.
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Doxa
I did mention that in my first post here, and before me, somebody else(s) too...
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Indeed. Several of us did.
Was trying to be general, no offense intended.
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Stoneage
Important contribution? She was a backup singer. There are thousands of those. Her real contribution was her sex appeal. Sex always sells. Especially to a male dominated audience.
No, she was not just any back up singer - she actually lifted that role to a level that that she became a star and an icon in that field of art. And she did it with the people who are most charismatic live performers the business knows - creating a natural, recognizable role for herself in the show - even without the ring-master minding her taking some of the spotlight. It was no any surprise that when they made a great film about those 'twenty feet from stardom' back up singers, she was the biggest name of them all. True that sex appeal was a big part of it, but that's not a crime when she is sharing the stage with people like Mick Jagger. The Stones themselves are not the ones with anti-sex appeal - or the 'image' or 'charisma' to make it more acceptable to male non-gay audiences - as one part of their charm either... But I think that dimension finally became the reason for her 'fall'...
I think your remark about there being "thousands of them", and she not making any substantial or individual difference, reminds me of certain people sometimes ignoring the idiosyncratic contribution of Mick Taylor to the Stones. He was a thing called "lead guitarist", but playing flashy guitar solos - the argument goes - isn't really 'essential' to the Stones 'sound'. Any compotent British guitar could have done that and the Stones masterpieces would have sounded exactly same (and there were many of them, and even more since then). But it - flashy guitar solos - sells nicely, especially to certain a male dominated audience. But for trained Stones fan ears, all of us 'weavers' fans, that is/was cheap...
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To celebrate the topic figure of this thread and my 11000th post - that's a lot of bullshit, right? - in this site (after it felt down in 2005), I try to post here a clip of what I think is the best singular, at least documented, performance by the 'modern' (post-1989 that is) Stones. And not the least due to a certain Miss Fischer. Usually I am not that fond of these modern 'replica' versions, but this one is simply 'out of space', getting 'transcental' (a term I choose to use usually only in the context of Taylor era live performances). It gives me chills every time I listen it - or actually listen and watch it. Yeah, it is both the visual and the sonical experience when the the aesthetical statement of the Stones really hits home. Especially true here.
Let's see if I can make it. I haven't posted clips for years here, so I am not sure how to do it. Any case, it is "Gimme Shelter" from Paradiso 1995. All of you, of course, know it...
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To celebrate the topic figure of this thread and my 11000th post - that's a lot of bullshit, right? - in this site (after it felt down in 2005), I try to post here a clip of what I think is the best singular, at least documented, performance by the 'modern' (post-1989 that is) Stones. And not the least due to a certain Miss Fischer. Usually I am not that fond of these modern 'replica' versions, but this one is simply 'out of space', getting 'transcental' (a term I choose to use usually only in the context of Taylor era live performances). It gives me chills every time I listen it - or actually listen and watch it. Yeah, it is both the visual and the sonical experience when the the aesthetical statement of the Stones really hits home. Especially true here.
Let's see if I can make it. I haven't posted clips for years here, so I am not sure how to do it. Any case, it is "Gimme Shelter" from Paradiso 1995. All of you, of course, know it...
[www.youtube.com]
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(though, I need to admit, one of the writers here I always read very carefully and respect, Rocky Dijon, seems to be on the other side....)
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(though, I need to admit, one of the writers here I always read very carefully and respect, Rocky Dijon, seems to be on the other side....)
- Doxa
Since you invoked my evil presence, I should clarify. I think it's possible and even likely the decision was made to replace Lisa with someone younger as Mick's foil for "Gimme Shelter." To me, that isn't misogynistic or cruel, it's a business move in an entertainment industry. If it's true, it's because Lisa's role isn't the same as Darryl or Bobby or Taylor. They can be support players without serving as eye candy as part of the act.
When Lisa and Cindy Mizelle started out in 1989 (yes, I know Lisa was there in Japan with Mick in 1988), they were selling sex as much as vocal chops. I was there third row center stage (best seats I'll ever have) a month into Steel Wheels and believe me, at 18 seeing the Stones live for the first time, those two were still a distraction (in a good way) and were pulling the energy from the audience as much as the band.
If you remember the "Mixed Emotions" music video taped during the tour rehearsals in Connecticut, you'll see Sarah Dash singing back-up (she shared vocals with Lisa during the recording sessions earlier that year). According to Bill German at the time, Sarah was expected to tour with the Stones. She didn't obviously. Why replace Sarah with Cindy? The answer is obvious if you look at both of them in 1989. It may be politically incorrect, but it's entertainment and they were putting on the best show possible.
Do I think Mick is a mustachioed pantomime villain from an old-time melodrama as a consequence? Of course not. If Lisa was let go (which is purely speculation so far as I know), it would have been understood by all as a business decision and not personal. She's a professional. She might not like it, but she would understand and even expect it.
Does that make her a liar based on her remarks to the press? Of course not. She's a professional who deals with PR. Public relations means you tell the interesting anecdote (though often false or exaggerated) or the convenient version of the story in short little sound bytes so people have something to read about or chat about. It's rare you air your dirty laundry as part of publicity since, as a wise man once said, talk is cheap.
Do I want to argue about how likely this is? No, it's speculation. It's interesting to read everyone's take. There have been good points made on both sides. I wouldn't insult Sasha and I think highly of Lisa. In fact, one night in 1989, I was very much in lust with her. And that is likely the reason why I speculate the way I do about her departure.
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Yes Doxa that is definitely the best modern era GS, its the whole band too, Ronnie although drinking is spell bounding on this with his weaving with Keith at its brilliant best. I can't count the times i have watched this version, i still can't get enough of it, it melts and molds into this oneness with the musicians and Mick's vocal and then the high point, Lisa hits that note she has never been able to find since. Truly amazing just as the Mick Taylor ones were in the 70's but in a different way. Here we see the whole band being incredible, not just one guitarist.
PS. After just listening to that particular version i thought something is wrong here, there are other versions of this exact recording with Keith much higher in the mix. This is more like it but poor picture quality.
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