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deardoctortake1
thanks exilestones for this info.
I'll have to check all of my versions of my London German CDs.
It's pretty confusing it appears.
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nick
exilestones - I have a West German first pressing 01* matrix with old logo and it has fades in and out.
deardoctortake1 - Did you purchase that in a store or online? Just curious about something.
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ironbelly
deardoctortake1
1. The 1st pressing of GLIYWI is not from 1984 but from July 1988.
2. If your CD looks different from this one
you got a re-issue. Although, the mastering is identical for all the re-issues in the case of this London CD.
3. This CD utilized different versions of intro, Under My Thumb and Fortune Teller comparing to ABKCO. There are fades between the tracks.
4. Japanese P33L, P25L and early POCD series share the same mastering. Digitally they are identical within null samples. However, the mastering is different comparing to their WG counterparts. Most of them are a bit tweaked. Not critically but just a bit.
Those funny %% are EAC peak levels, roughly, the volume. If they are different - the mastering is different (in a simple words, it is more complex).
5. The quote that exilestones presented above (Date: March 17, 2018 04:43) provides rather general and not very accurate description for London CDs catalogue. Although, it works as the 0th approach. Please also keep in mind that at the time Luke and Dave wrote their text (2002) they did not have in hands all set of London CDs. There are a couple of factual errors.
6. home.arcor.de has a new home [www.stay-tuned-to-sw.de] But the owner and the guy who wrote about different pressings, apparently, lost interest and his classification is far from complete. The work of Luke and Dave on the mastering was not updated since 2002 either. Although, Luke (lukpac) now has an extensive data base for all London-Decca era CDs from different countries (London CDs, ABKCO, 2002 remaster, mono). I hope at some point he will update and share his findings.
5. If you want your brain to be twisted on German London CDs - download the following files.
[www.dropbox.com]
[www.dropbox.com]
Those are my latest attempts on systematization (rollingandre should be credited at the first place for providing info on matrix numbers from his collection and lukpac for extended conversation on mastering differences. Sure there were other guys who drop a word or two here and there). Sorry for the English, I am not a native speaker. And sorry for the messy places, there are too many variations of London CDs and almost every month you find something on ebay that was not listed yet. Work is in progress
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nick
exilestones - I have a West German first pressing 01* matrix with old logo and it has fades in and out.
deardoctortake1 - Did you purchase that in a store or online? Just curious about something.
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deardoctortake1
Thanks all for the info
I will check all of my German London CDs later
A few observations regarding Got Live
The London mono lp seems to be the best all around
The London stereo lp is too separated and has mild between song banter changes
The Abkco CD has the alternate Under My Thumb, and they put in an abrupt end to Fortune Teller, no fade
The London German CD has the faded and is missing some between song banter ie “stop”, although has the original LP tracks
All of this for a partially live LP
Jagger has in 1977 apologized for this claiming only 4 tracks were really live
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jlowe
exile stones - what is the situation now? Does ABKCO now hold ALL the worldwide rights, or does London still have an involvement?
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ironbelly
deardoctortake1
1. The 1st pressing of GLIYWI is not from 1984 but from July 1988.
2. If your CD looks different from this one
you got a re-issue. Although, the mastering is identical for all the re-issues in the case of this London CD.
3. This CD utilized different versions of intro, Under My Thumb and Fortune Teller comparing to ABKCO. There are fades between the tracks.
4. Japanese P33L, P25L and early POCD series share the same mastering. Digitally they are identical within null samples. However, the mastering is different comparing to their WG counterparts. Most of them are a bit tweaked. Not critically but just a bit.
Those funny %% are EAC peak levels, roughly, the volume. If they are different - the mastering is different (in a simple words, it is more complex).
5. The quote that exilestones presented above (Date: March 17, 2018 04:43) provides rather general and not very accurate description for London CDs catalogue. Although, it works as the 0th approach. Please also keep in mind that at the time Luke and Dave wrote their text (2002) they did not have in hands all set of London CDs. There are a couple of factual errors.
6. home.arcor.de has a new home [www.stay-tuned-to-sw.de] But the owner and the guy who wrote about different pressings, apparently, lost interest and his classification is far from complete. The work of Luke and Dave on the mastering was not updated since 2002 either. Although, Luke (lukpac) now has an extensive data base for all London-Decca era CDs from different countries (London CDs, ABKCO, 2002 remaster, mono). I hope at some point he will update and share his findings.
5. If you want your brain to be twisted on German London CDs - download the following files.
[www.dropbox.com]
[www.dropbox.com]
Those are my latest attempts on systematization (rollingandre should be credited at the first place for providing info on matrix numbers from his collection and lukpac for extended conversation on mastering differences. Sure there were other guys who drop a word or two here and there). Sorry for the English, I am not a native speaker. And sorry for the messy places, there are too many variations of London CDs and almost every month you find something on ebay that was not listed yet. Work is in progress
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deardoctortake1
My CD and matrix numbers are identical to your picture above
It has the fades
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2120Joe
Exilestones, I’m amazed that you know or can access all that information. It’s interesting. Thanks for posting. Is this a unique hobby-hunting all the different versions? Anyone else similarly afflicted?
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detroitken
I seem to remember reading on this site years ago,that the original abkco 1986 cd issue was actually the original Mono "Have you seen your mother Live" ...different song times,different intros etc...which was a different gig than the one used on GLIYWI....wish I could find that old thread..
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2120Joe
Exilestones, I’m amazed that you know or can access all that information. It’s interesting. Thanks for posting. Is this a unique hobby-hunting all the different versions? Anyone else similarly afflicted?
From my experience these are a kind of a tough call. I do not know why but some of the editions from 1988 are more rare than those from 1984-1985. Maybe because they were less popular titles and not so many were sold at the first place.Quote
nick
Eventually I'm getting Flowers and More Hot Rocks 1&2.
All with the old logo and all with the "01" matrix.
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ironbelly
From my experience these are a kind of a tough call. I do not know why but some of the editions from 1988 are more rare than those from 1984-1985. Maybe because they were less popular titles and not so many were sold at the first place.
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ironbelly
deardoctortake1
1. The 1st pressing of GLIYWI is not from 1984 but from July 1988.
2. If your CD looks different from this one
you got a re-issue. Although, the mastering is identical for all the re-issues in the case of this London CD.
3. This CD utilized different versions of intro, Under My Thumb and Fortune Teller comparing to ABKCO. There are fades between the tracks.
4. Japanese P33L, P25L and early POCD series share the same mastering. Digitally they are identical within null samples. However, the mastering is different comparing to their WG counterparts. Most of them are a bit tweaked. Not critically but just a bit.
Those funny %% are EAC peak levels, roughly, the volume. If they are different - the mastering is different (in a simple words, it is more complex).
5. The quote that exilestones presented above (Date: March 17, 2018 04:43) provides rather general and not very accurate description for London CDs catalogue. Although, it works as the 0th approach. Please also keep in mind that at the time Luke and Dave wrote their text (2002) they did not have in hands all set of London CDs. There are a couple of factual errors.
6. home.arcor.de has a new home [www.stay-tuned-to-sw.de] But the owner and the guy who wrote about different pressings, apparently, lost interest and his classification is far from complete. The work of Luke and Dave on the mastering was not updated since 2002 either. Although, Luke (lukpac) now has an extensive data base for all London-Decca era CDs from different countries (London CDs, ABKCO, 2002 remaster, mono). I hope at some point he will update and share his findings.
5. If you want your brain to be twisted on German London CDs - download the following files.
[www.dropbox.com]
[www.dropbox.com]
Those are my latest attempts on systematization (rollingandre should be credited at the first place for providing info on matrix numbers from his collection and lukpac for extended conversation on mastering differences. Sure there were other guys who drop a word or two here and there). Sorry for the English, I am not a native speaker. And sorry for the messy places, there are too many variations of London CDs and almost every month you find something on ebay that was not listed yet. Work is in progress
I downloaded the above suggested info (DropBox) and all I can say is WOW! Great job on the West German CDs, etc...! THANK YOU!