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Midnight Toker
If it has been personalized, it is worth far less.
I collect Stones signed memorabilia and there is a ton of fake stuff on EBAY.
The sig on this copy is legit. Non personalized with Keith's sig is $500-$1000
at least.
Authentication could run you at least $300-$400 if you are in doubt.
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TooTough
That book is a piece of shit.
I sold it after having read 100 pages.
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TooTough
That book is a piece of shit.
I sold it after having read 100 pages.
No. It's actually quite enjoyable.
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TooTough
That book is a piece of shit.
I sold it after having read 100 pages.
No. It's actually quite enjoyable.
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TooTough
That book is a piece of shit.
I sold it after having read 100 pages.
No. It's actually quite enjoyable.
Too much garbage about drugs and far too little about music and the creative process that led to many great songs.
If you read this book without knowing the name of his author you have the feeling you read the memories of a professional drug addict who sometimes happened to pick a guitar once in a while.
Very disappointing indeed.
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TooTough
That book is a piece of shit.
I sold it after having read 100 pages.
No. It's actually quite enjoyable.
Too much garbage about drugs and far too little about music and the creative process that led to many great songs.
If you read this book without knowing the name of his author you have the feeling you read the memories of a professional drug addict who sometimes happened to pick a guitar once in a while.
Very disappointing indeed.
A man who doesn´t remember anything that´s older than 2 hours...
(that´s why we love him) remembers his life? I never believed it.
Full of anecdotes others told him? Oh man.
And don´t forget the disgusting comments about Jagger´s "tt".
Disgusting. Keith nearly broke up the band. How can one like that book?
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doitywoik
If I remember that correctly, it had turned out a while back that a number of signed copies were not signed by Keith himself but by an autopen. That's where some of the controversy came from, no?
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TooTough
That book is a piece of shit.
I sold it after having read 100 pages.
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Leonioid
I wrote and erased a lot of blah blah... my opinion of signatures and values of Keiths hand signed.... versus another humans hand signing Keiths name.... versus auto-pen versus... yadda yadda... no one cares.
But one part might be worth leaving here and that is how one might possibly tell if something is auto pen signed or hand signed. One needs to think about how auto-pen works versus how a hand works when signing.
Grab your pen and sign you name.
Now look at the very beginning of your signing... see the first trace of ink? It is probably like a plane landing, meaning there is no ink right before you lightly touch the paper and then get into the signing and you are really pushing down... and then as you are ending you probably get lighter as the pen "Plane/ink takes off" comes off the paper.
The ink is gradual at the start and finish.
There is a lighter gradual starting and ending point on a hand signed something.
COMPARE THAT to how auto pen works.
Look on Youtube to see the machines in action and how they work.
A minion being paid about treefiddy per hour grabs the book (versus the too rich/can not be bothered to sign anything Millionaire). The minion sets the book in place, opens the book to the proper page and pushes a button. The auto swings into action, coming over to the start of the signature and BAM!!!! IT SLAMS THE PEN HEAD DOWN on the paper... and then it mechanically slowly methodically writes the name, and at the end of the signing it stops dead and lifts straight up. There is no gradual "plane taking off". It is all very mechanical. Every signature is identical.
"They" say you can sometimes very easily see the indentation "dot" in the paper where the pen head slammed down, and you probably DO NOT see the gradual beginning and ending of the ink as if a human hand signed it.
Of course it was 5-10 years ago when I learned all of this.
And as I writing this it occurred to me that the people who make auto pens have probably gotten better at faking signatures... or maybe they haven't.... but maybe they have figured out less slamming down and doing the gradual start stop to make it look hand signed. But for crap signed 10-15 years ago (and before) one might be able to look at the signature for the starting indent of an auto pen.
I have used this knowledge for fun over the years looking at various signatures in various places and it is interesting to see how it all goes and what looks like what.
Back when the original thread was going I recall people talking about seeing the pen head indent, which indicated their book was probably auto pen signed, and they were not pleased... or something
anyway fwiw---
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bottom line without going into a long diatribe- If you don't see it signed, it is fake/autopenned/etc etc... and who cares anyway.
With a few exception (like paintings) getting signatures are silly and basically worthless.
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Leonioid
I wrote and erased a lot of blah blah... my opinion of signatures and values of Keiths hand signed.... versus another humans hand signing Keiths name.... versus auto-pen versus... yadda yadda... no one cares.
But one part might be worth leaving here and that is how one might possibly tell if something is auto pen signed or hand signed. One needs to think about how auto-pen works versus how a hand works when signing.
Grab your pen and sign you name.
Now look at the very beginning of your signing... see the first trace of ink? It is probably like a plane landing, meaning there is no ink right before you lightly touch the paper and then get into the signing and you are really pushing down... and then as you are ending you probably get lighter as the pen "Plane/ink takes off" comes off the paper.
The ink is gradual at the start and finish.
There is a lighter gradual starting and ending point on a hand signed something.
COMPARE THAT to how auto pen works.
Look on Youtube to see the machines in action and how they work.
A minion being paid about treefiddy per hour grabs the book (versus the too rich/can not be bothered to sign anything Millionaire). The minion sets the book in place, opens the book to the proper page and pushes a button. The auto swings into action, coming over to the start of the signature and BAM!!!! IT SLAMS THE PEN HEAD DOWN on the paper... and then it mechanically slowly methodically writes the name, and at the end of the signing it stops dead and lifts straight up. There is no gradual "plane taking off". It is all very mechanical. Every signature is identical.
"They" say you can sometimes very easily see the indentation "dot" in the paper where the pen head slammed down, and you probably DO NOT see the gradual beginning and ending of the ink as if a human hand signed it.
Of course it was 5-10 years ago when I learned all of this.
And as I writing this it occurred to me that the people who make auto pens have probably gotten better at faking signatures... or maybe they haven't.... but maybe they have figured out less slamming down and doing the gradual start stop to make it look hand signed. But for crap signed 10-15 years ago (and before) one might be able to look at the signature for the starting indent of an auto pen.
I have used this knowledge for fun over the years looking at various signatures in various places and it is interesting to see how it all goes and what looks like what.
Back when the original thread was going I recall people talking about seeing the pen head indent, which indicated their book was probably auto pen signed, and they were not pleased... or something
anyway fwiw---
PS
bottom line without going into a long diatribe- If you don't see it signed, it is fake/autopenned/etc etc... and who cares anyway.
With a few exception (like paintings) getting signatures are silly and basically worthless.
Like any collectible an autograph is worth what people are willing to pay so they may be worthless to you but there is a huge market for famous people autographs so they are not worthless relatively speaking.
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