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LeonidP
... I've always loved it!
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Doom and Gloom might have been a good song had it not been overproduced imo - maybe a stripped down acoustic bluesy version.
As it stands though, it's generic crap.
The stripped down album version was much poorer, imo.
The drive was sucked out of it, somehow..
I was talking about a fictional stripped down acoustic bluesy version though which might have been better. I really wouldn't consider the official version stripped down...sounds phony and overproduced .
I remember when it was released someone referred to it as slick '80s's ZZ Top with drum machines, etc. (Legs, Sharp Dressed Man, etc., etc.) As for live versions, maybe a step above, but still sort of a generic Stones rocker.
The "official" version would be the single, which is not stripped down. Not at all
The GRRR-version is, though. All the extra drums and beats are peeled off.
It sounded like you had forgotten about the album version when you were talking about a fictional stripped down version.
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LeonidP
... I've always loved it!
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Love this song!
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keefriff99Yeah, it never really popped live...plus the drum beat had some studio trickery going on that Charlie didn't replicate and it hurt the groove.Quote
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keefriff99You mean if they had played it in concert consistently over the years?Quote
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GasLightStreet
A classic already? The song or the "video"? It's a long way off from being a classic.
Classic?!! A poor song...like Gotta Get a Grip/England Lost.
It's way better than those, imo, but not a classic.
Had they treated D&G like YGMR, it might have been closer to a classic, though.
I think Doom and Gloom is a great latter-day rocker, but they didn't push it hard enough to make it a classic.
Yep.
I don't think Mick likes to sing it, though. Never once did he sing the chorus properly.
I still think it's a damn fine studio track.
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Hairball
Doom and Gloom might have been a good song had it not been overproduced imo - maybe a stripped down acoustic bluesy version.
As it stands though, it's generic crap.
The stripped down album version was much poorer, imo.
The drive was sucked out of it, somehow..
I was talking about a fictional stripped down acoustic bluesy version though which might have been better. I really wouldn't consider the official version stripped down...sounds phony and overproduced .
I remember when it was released someone referred to it as slick '80s's ZZ Top with drum machines, etc. (Legs, Sharp Dressed Man, etc., etc.) As for live versions, maybe a step above, but still sort of a generic Stones rocker.
The "official" version would be the single, which is not stripped down. Not at all
The GRRR-version is, though. All the extra drums and beats are peeled off.
It sounded like you had forgotten about the album version when you were talking about a fictional stripped down version.
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Winning Ugly VXII
"Doom and Gloom" sounds better live than in the studio. Some live versions,anyway. It sounds more smooth and less grating live.
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Hairball
Doom and Gloom might have been a good song had it not been overproduced imo - maybe a stripped down acoustic bluesy version.
As it stands though, it's generic crap.
The stripped down album version was much poorer, imo.
The drive was sucked out of it, somehow..
I was talking about a fictional stripped down acoustic bluesy version though which might have been better. I really wouldn't consider the official version stripped down...sounds phony and overproduced .
I remember when it was released someone referred to it as slick '80s's ZZ Top with drum machines, etc. (Legs, Sharp Dressed Man, etc., etc.) As for live versions, maybe a step above, but still sort of a generic Stones rocker.
The "official" version would be the single, which is not stripped down. Not at all
The GRRR-version is, though. All the extra drums and beats are peeled off.
It sounded like you had forgotten about the album version when you were talking about a fictional stripped down version.
No I hadn't forgotten, but just to clarify so we're on the same page (maybe my initial post wasn't clear?), I was talking about a fictional fantasy version that doesn't exist.
A stripped down acoustic bluesy version - emphasis on the acoustic and bluesy - maybe just Mick and Keith on acoustic guitars (or maybe just Keith)...maybe totally unplugged.
And maybe a gentle tambourine or a bongo from Charlie, or a few soft touches with brush sticks, or even just a few handclaps. Maybe even Keith on whispery vocals instead of shouting Mick.
As far as I know, no stripped down acoustic bluesy version exists with any of those scenarios, but if there was it might have been a good song. Or maybe it would have still been crap no matter how minimal it was.
PS - I had something like this in mind when writing original post:
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"Doom and Gloom" sounds better live than in the studio. Some live versions,anyway. It sounds more smooth and less grating live.
I would agree - all live versions I saw were better than any studio version.
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Wild Slivovitz
Speaking of the live renditions, the one at Glastonbury was awesome. It sounded like they really meant it, and Jagger gave it all.
That's interesting. I think the Stones are one of the few bands that are capable of transcending studio recordings with live renditions, or at least injecting so much new life into them live that they almost take on another life.Quote
Hairball
There's really not many Stones songs where I prefer the live version over the studio version - in fact I can hardly think of any. That said, Midnight Rambler is usually always great in a live setting, and might have to go with YaYas version if I had to choose (but I really like the studio version as well). But there's a few of these subpar latter day studio tunes I really don't like much at all that can only be helped when played live, and raises them to a higher level. Doom and Gloom and One More Shot come to mind...also Out of Control and You Got Me Rocking. Am I happy when these tunes hog up some of the setlist at a show I'm at? Hell no. But there's something about the roughness and rawness of a raggedy live performance that strips away the sterility that some of these tunes seem to suffer from on the studio versions. Some I could do without all together - Mixed Emotions at Desert Trip...wtf was that all about. Streets of Love and Infamy during ABB - boo hoo. Don't Stop during Licks - whatever.
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keefriff99That's interesting. I think the Stones are one of the few bands that are capable of transcending studio recordings with live renditions, or at least injecting so much new life into them live that they almost take on another life.Quote
Hairball
There's really not many Stones songs where I prefer the live version over the studio version - in fact I can hardly think of any. That said, Midnight Rambler is usually always great in a live setting, and might have to go with YaYas version if I had to choose (but I really like the studio version as well). But there's a few of these subpar latter day studio tunes I really don't like much at all that can only be helped when played live, and raises them to a higher level. Doom and Gloom and One More Shot come to mind...also Out of Control and You Got Me Rocking. Am I happy when these tunes hog up some of the setlist at a show I'm at? Hell no. But there's something about the roughness and rawness of a raggedy live performance that strips away the sterility that some of these tunes seem to suffer from on the studio versions. Some I could do without all together - Mixed Emotions at Desert Trip...wtf was that all about. Streets of Love and Infamy during ABB - boo hoo. Don't Stop during Licks - whatever.
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Out of curiosity keefrif99 - other than Midnight Rambler which is live, are there any live versions of songs on Hot Rocks you prefer or think are better than the original studio versions?
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Hairball
Out of curiosity keefrif99 - other than Midnight Rambler which is live, are there any live versions of songs on Hot Rocks you prefer or think are better than the original studio versions?
YEAH! JJF from GIMME SHELTER and HTW from LYL! Under My Thumb from STILL LIFE is pretty damn good.
Oh wait. I'm not Keefriff99...
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Hairball
There's really not many Stones songs where I prefer the live version over the studio version - in fact I can hardly think of any. That said, Midnight Rambler is usually always great in a live setting, and might have to go with YaYas version if I had to choose (but I really like the studio version as well). But there's a few of these subpar latter day studio tunes I really don't like much at all that can only be helped when played live, and raises them to a higher level. Doom and Gloom and One More Shot come to mind...also Out of Control and You Got Me Rocking. Am I happy when these tunes hog up some of the setlist at a show I'm at? Hell no. But there's something about the roughness and rawness of a raggedy live performance that strips away the sterility that some of these tunes seem to suffer from on the studio versions. Some I could do without all together - Mixed Emotions at Desert Trip...wtf was that all about. Streets of Love and Infamy during ABB - boo hoo. Don't Stop during Licks - whatever.
Well, Midnight Rambler for sure is a song that I think morphed live into an almost completely different animal.Quote
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Out of curiosity keefrif99 - other than Midnight Rambler which is live, are there any live versions of songs on Hot Rocks you prefer or think are better than the original studio versions?
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Hairball
There's really not many Stones songs where I prefer the live version over the studio version - in fact I can hardly think of any. That said, Midnight Rambler is usually always great in a live setting, and might have to go with YaYas version if I had to choose (but I really like the studio version as well). But there's a few of these subpar latter day studio tunes I really don't like much at all that can only be helped when played live, and raises them to a higher level. Doom and Gloom and One More Shot come to mind...also Out of Control and You Got Me Rocking. Am I happy when these tunes hog up some of the setlist at a show I'm at? Hell no. But there's something about the roughness and rawness of a raggedy live performance that strips away the sterility that some of these tunes seem to suffer from on the studio versions. Some I could do without all together - Mixed Emotions at Desert Trip...wtf was that all about. Streets of Love and Infamy during ABB - boo hoo. Don't Stop during Licks - whatever.
What about these songs:
Carol
Route 66
Live With Me
Time Is On My Side
Let's Spend The Night Together
Under My Thumb
Down The Road Apiece
Imagination
When The Whip Comes Down
Shattered
Let Me Go
Slipping Away
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keefriff99
Now that you made me think more about it there aren't many songs where I flat-out prefer live versions aside from Rambler, but I think my original point is that the Stones in the '70s at least equaled their studio versions, or reinterpreted their songs live into something different.
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laertisflash
"Classic", "No Classic"... A bit tiresome talk to me. IMO Doom& Gloom is an EXCELLENT Stones rocker and that's enough to me.
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<I prefer the studio versions on all of them>
Good for you!
<I prefer the original versions over the Stones covers>
But the question was whether you preferred the Stones studio covers or the live versions, since you said there weren't any live versions you preferred over the studio takes.
Quite a lot of the songs performed on stage by the Stones in their prime were covers. It would be a bit weird to dismiss those songs by saying all the originals were better. That's almost like saying that the brilliant 1962-1969-Stones were unnecessary..
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Looks like this thread has spiraled out of control.