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jlowe
The whole business of songwriting credits and copyrights is intriguing with the likes of Clifford and Steve Jordan around.
I suspect there are dome 'private ie monetary deals' agreed even if they don't get an actual composers credit.
I care insofar as I'm of the belief that a working rock'n'roll band should write their own material.Quote
Koen
Who cares who wrote those songs? They @#$%& rock.
As I said, I actually love a lot of Aerosmith's '87-present material. I know it's not COOL to like that era, how the "real" Aerosmith died after Rocks, blah blah blah, but good music is good music.Quote
Toxic34
The material from 1987 onward is still very much Aerosmith. It has the energy, the swagger, the verve and all the attitude of Aerosmith's '70s work. Look, Done With Mirrors is, quite simply, an incomplete record. Nothing sounds really finished, and the album never gets out of first gear. The entire band agrees with this and state flatly that "we weren't in a good groove at this point." Joe in particular says this. Aerosmith needed this shot in the arm, otherwise the band would have died then and there, regardless of their sobriety. The albums from then on, with the exception of Just Push Play, are great ones, full to the brim of impeccable material, beyond even the famous radio hits. And even Just Push Play has very Aerosmith material on it, but it simply doesn't work as an album.
If the Stones had needed that boost as well, they would've gone for it eventually, though they would've been brought into it kicking and screaming. But it is great that they never got to that point.
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harlem shuffle
Hi On what album/songs was Mick Jagger not involved.?Dirty Work?
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Send It To me
Reading Joe Perry's book now which is very good and I recommend. They began with Tyler/Perry on most song but in the 80's brought in outside songwriters to assist and were able to sell many millions of records on big hits late in their career from '87 to '01. Do you think Mick and Keith could/should have helped the Stones continue to have to hits by bringing in songwriting collaborators during the 80's and 90's? Did their ego as songwriters hold back the band? Or do you prefer the purity of Jagger/Richards? Heck, even Jagger/Richards/Woods was taken away - Ronnie probably could've helped. For what it's worth, I really like Steel Wheels, Voodoo, Bridges, and Bang, but in terms of reaching the non-hardcore fans in the wider world....
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Toxic34
The material from 1987 onward is still very much Aerosmith. It has the energy, the swagger, the verve and all the attitude of Aerosmith's '70s work. Look, Done With Mirrors is, quite simply, an incomplete record. Nothing sounds really finished, and the album never gets out of first gear. The entire band agrees with this and state flatly that "we weren't in a good groove at this point." Joe in particular says this. Aerosmith needed this shot in the arm, otherwise the band would have died then and there, regardless of their sobriety. The albums from then on, with the exception of Just Push Play, are great ones, full to the brim of impeccable material, beyond even the famous radio hits. And even Just Push Play has very Aerosmith material on it, but it simply doesn't work as an album.
If the Stones had needed that boost as well, they would've gone for it eventually, though they would've been brought into it kicking and screaming. But it is great that they never got to that point.
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Redhotcarpet
Well the Stones started with an outside writer namely Lennon/McCartney and they played mainly covers. Theyve used people in the studio from the start and their producer Miller did a lot. The Beatles really wrote everything by themselves with minor input from outside the band. They suggested new ideas to their producer. The Stones never were that kind of band.
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Redhotcarpet
Well the Stones started with an outside writer namelyLennon/McCartneyBerry and they played mainly covers. Theyve used people in the studio from the start and their producer Miller did a lot. The Beatles really wrote everything by themselves with minor input from outside the band. They suggested new ideas to their producer. The Stones never were that kind of band.
The trio of ballad videos that Aerosmith did with Alicia Silverstone (and Liv Tyler) for Get a Grip was HUGE. They were on endless MTV rotation and propelled their career for a few years afterward.Quote
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Toxic34
The material from 1987 onward is still very much Aerosmith. It has the energy, the swagger, the verve and all the attitude of Aerosmith's '70s work. Look, Done With Mirrors is, quite simply, an incomplete record. Nothing sounds really finished, and the album never gets out of first gear. The entire band agrees with this and state flatly that "we weren't in a good groove at this point." Joe in particular says this. Aerosmith needed this shot in the arm, otherwise the band would have died then and there, regardless of their sobriety. The albums from then on, with the exception of Just Push Play, are great ones, full to the brim of impeccable material, beyond even the famous radio hits. And even Just Push Play has very Aerosmith material on it, but it simply doesn't work as an album.
If the Stones had needed that boost as well, they would've gone for it eventually, though they would've been brought into it kicking and screaming. But it is great that they never got to that point.
But it were the ballads that brought home the bacon for them - much thanks to Desmond Child, Dianne Warren and others...
It's kinda funny that they needed that shot, because imo ballads like You See Me Crying, Dream On and others are superior to Angel, Amazing and the others.
The latter-day ballads are still good pop-tunes, though.
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keefriff99The trio of ballad videos that Aerosmith did with Alicia Silverstone (and Liv Tyler) for Get a Grip was HUGE. They were on endless MTV rotation and propelled their career for a few years afterward.Quote
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Toxic34
The material from 1987 onward is still very much Aerosmith. It has the energy, the swagger, the verve and all the attitude of Aerosmith's '70s work. Look, Done With Mirrors is, quite simply, an incomplete record. Nothing sounds really finished, and the album never gets out of first gear. The entire band agrees with this and state flatly that "we weren't in a good groove at this point." Joe in particular says this. Aerosmith needed this shot in the arm, otherwise the band would have died then and there, regardless of their sobriety. The albums from then on, with the exception of Just Push Play, are great ones, full to the brim of impeccable material, beyond even the famous radio hits. And even Just Push Play has very Aerosmith material on it, but it simply doesn't work as an album.
If the Stones had needed that boost as well, they would've gone for it eventually, though they would've been brought into it kicking and screaming. But it is great that they never got to that point.
But it were the ballads that brought home the bacon for them - much thanks to Desmond Child, Dianne Warren and others...
It's kinda funny that they needed that shot, because imo ballads like You See Me Crying, Dream On and others are superior to Angel, Amazing and the others.
The latter-day ballads are still good pop-tunes, though.
- Rag Doll writing credits:Quote
Koen
So are Dude... and Rag Doll also written by others?