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rebelhipi
Eh, i think Darryl should be promoted to a official member like Ronnie was in the 90s
He deserves it, his playing has improved the band if you ask me.

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rebelhipi
Eh, i think Darryl should be promoted to a official member like Ronnie was in the 90s
He deserves it, his playing has improved the band if you ask me.

Agree.
The "but Chuck's been there longer" argument doesn't sway me either.
Chuck is at the top of his rung- sideman/side musical director. Darryl is a band member for twenty three years who has more than carried his weight.
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Not mentioned in this is how Bill could envelop the sound on stage and smooth things out as the boys flailed away on guitars. Maybe the rest of the Stones never understood that Bill was doing that for them.

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Not mentioned in this is how Bill could envelop the sound on stage and smooth things out as the boys flailed away on guitars. Maybe the rest of the Stones never understood that Bill was doing that for them.

It's not an either/or proposition.
That's like saying Ronnie should have not received full membership because you liked Brian better.

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Björnulf should write a book.

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I miss Bill, too.

But Charlie chose Darryl. Period.

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Is it really a good thing that Darryl doesn't imitate Bill's bass lines? They are an integral part of those songs, as iconic as Keith's riffs. Since Darryl doesn't add anything of note to the Stones sound, and is really just a hired gun, shouldn't he be trying to replicate the sound as closely as possible? That's how it is in most Heritage Bands like the Stones. It's vexing to listen to because I keep thinking, 'The note goes here! Just anchor a freakin' note!' It's almost a repudiation of what Bill created for those songs.

It has become increasingly clear that this is an unwinnable battle. The Stones were always a chemistry band. The whole was always must greater than the individual parts. That's why I think even Mick, or Keith, have not been that successful as solo artists. It's also why successful Stones covers are rare, as it was the very sound created by five individuals that people crave. That chain continued through Brian, Mick Taylor & on through Ronnie Wood. It was finally broken with the little thought that went into Bill's replacement musically. Maybe they never 'got' Bill either.

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Hence, his bass playing on the Stones classics was NOT as iconic as Keith's riffs or Mick's voice – how brutal it may sound.

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Ironically, the two really bass-heavy songs they recorded and released (Fingerprint File and Emotional Rescue) featured bass from Taylor and Ronnie.

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i would submit 'Miss You' as a fine example of Bill laying down prominent bass lines that are just fun to listen to..


possibly 'Worried About You' is another with prominent Wyman lines.. love it..

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this thread has very astute observations about Bill's playing and sound...

to be a thread about Darryl possibly becoming an author

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rebelhipi
Eh, i think Darryl should be promoted to a official member like Ronnie was in the 90s
He deserves it, his playing has improved the band if you ask me.

Agree.
The "but Chuck's been there longer" argument doesn't sway me either.
Chuck is at the top of his rung- sideman/side musical director. Darryl is a band member for twenty three years who has more than carried his weight.
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24FPS
Is it really a good thing that Darryl doesn't imitate Bill's bass lines? They are an integral part of those songs, as iconic as Keith's riffs. Since Darryl doesn't add anything of note to the Stones sound, and is really just a hired gun, shouldn't he be trying to replicate the sound as closely as possible? That's how it is in most Heritage Bands like the Stones. It's vexing to listen to because I keep thinking, 'The note goes here! Just anchor a freakin' note!' It's almost a repudiation of what Bill created for those songs.

It has become increasingly clear that this is an unwinnable battle. The Stones were always a chemistry band. The whole was always must greater than the individual parts. That's why I think even Mick, or Keith, have not been that successful as solo artists. It's also why successful Stones covers are rare, as it was the very sound created by five individuals that people crave. That chain continued through Brian, Mick Taylor & on through Ronnie Wood. It was finally broken with the little thought that went into Bill's replacement musically. Maybe they never 'got' Bill either.

I know you don't like Darryl, and I definitely share your love for Bill, but this is a bit of a stretch

No one outside a bass nerd-bubble would agree with that. On the contrary, people who aren't really Stones fans never notice Bill (we do, of course).

Bill Wyman was a fantastic, and in many ways unorthodox, bass player, but he never stood out on records (with some exceptions, of course). It was in concert his main contributions to the sound was shining.

Hence, his bass playing on the Stones classics was NOT as iconic as Keith's riffs or Mick's voice – how brutal it may sound.

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...of course they do. They hired him. And what else could they say? My point is not that Darryl is a bad bassplayer. On the contrary, he's too good for them. He is overqualified. He should be playing funk, soul, jazz or fusion. Genres which I think is more his cup of tea. I honestly think that he hasn't one rock and roll record in his record collection. If he has one. And I don't think he evolves as a musician playing with them.

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...of course they do. They hired him. And what else could they say? My point is not that Darryl is a bad bassplayer. On the contrary, he's too good for them. He is overqualified. He should be playing funk, soul, jazz or fusion. Genres which I think is more his cup of tea. I honestly think that he hasn't one rock and roll record in his record collection. If he has one. And I don't think he evolves as a musician playing with them.

Interesting. So....Bill....who Keith recently said was a true artist and a sensitive musician....is less talented than Darryl? Darryl couldn't use his huge genius to enhance the Stones sound? I remember this same kind of talk around Mick Taylor in the 70s, that he was too good a musician to be in the Stones. That he was wasting his talent. And yet, what great memorable solo work, or with another group, has Mick Taylor produced?

Please, somebody, point me to Darryl's great work, so I can hear for myself. I want to hear how wonderful a jazz player he is, and how he couldn't possibly deign to play rock and roll properly.

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...of course they do. They hired him. And what else could they say? My point is not that Darryl is a bad bassplayer. On the contrary, he's too good for them. He is overqualified. He should be playing funk, soul, jazz or fusion. Genres which I think is more his cup of tea. I honestly think that he hasn't one rock and roll record in his record collection. If he has one. And I don't think he evolves as a musician playing with them.

Interesting. So....Bill....who Keith recently said was a true artist and a sensitive musician....is less talented than Darryl? Darryl couldn't use his huge genius to enhance the Stones sound? I remember this same kind of talk around Mick Taylor in the 70s, that he was too good a musician to be in the Stones. That he was wasting his talent. And yet, what great memorable solo work, or with another group, has Mick Taylor produced?

Please, somebody, point me to Darryl's great work, so I can hear for myself. I want to hear how wonderful a jazz player he is, and how he couldn't possibly deign to play rock and roll properly.

Start with 'You're under Arrest' by Miles Davis

Then maybe 'Bring on the Night Live' by Sting

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Is it really a good thing that Darryl doesn't imitate Bill's bass lines? They are an integral part of those songs, as iconic as Keith's riffs. Since Darryl doesn't add anything of note to the Stones sound, and is really just a hired gun, shouldn't he be trying to replicate the sound as closely as possible? That's how it is in most Heritage Bands like the Stones. It's vexing to listen to because I keep thinking, 'The note goes here! Just anchor a freakin' note!' It's almost a repudiation of what Bill created for those songs.

It has become increasingly clear that this is an unwinnable battle. The Stones were always a chemistry band. The whole was always must greater than the individual parts. That's why I think even Mick, or Keith, have not been that successful as solo artists. It's also why successful Stones covers are rare, as it was the very sound created by five individuals that people crave. That chain continued through Brian, Mick Taylor & on through Ronnie Wood. It was finally broken with the little thought that went into Bill's replacement musically. Maybe they never 'got' Bill either.

I know you don't like Darryl, and I definitely share your love for Bill, but this is a bit of a stretch

No one outside a bass nerd-bubble would agree with that. On the contrary, people who aren't really Stones fans never notice Bill (we do, of course).

Bill Wyman was a fantastic, and in many ways unorthodox, bass player, but he never stood out on records (with some exceptions, of course). It was in concert his main contributions to the sound was shining.

Hence, his bass playing on the Stones classics was NOT as iconic as Keith's riffs or Mick's voice – how brutal it may sound.

This may surprise you, but I disagree. Bill's counterpoint bass against Keith's fuzz box riff is just as important on the studio version of Satisfaction. Under My Thumb has a surprisingly slinky bass line, and is the most important guitar on the cut. Sticky Fingers has Bill on every track, where his part is a particular standout on Bitch. Rocks Off really gets Exile moving behind Bill's pushing bass. What is Start Me Up without Bill? It's half a song is what it is. Or She's So Cold, with that rubbery bass? And Bill's bass is the most important instrument on the last great Stones single, Harlem Shuffle. I think Bill's personality played against him in the visual aspect of the group. If he'd flailed his arms around and danced around the stage with Mick, the general audience would have viewed him differently.