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And by the way, I dont think the slower tempo has to be a problem. Bill would have shined now.

That's a good point, as it always is down to how they play a song within its tempo.

Listen to JJF from Altamont, for instance. The slowest ever, but still great.

Spot on. And listen to the wonderful debut of Brown Sugar at that very same Altamont. The intro is one of the best intros ever performed in the history of rock n roll. The way Keith stabs the strings. Pure menace. JJF, same. Rambler too. I happen to love the 72 and 73 versions but yes, that slow chewing evil sound. And with Bill wobbling like a boat on a windy night. Pure gold.

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And by the way, I dont think the slower tempo has to be a problem. Bill would have shined now.

That's a good point, as it always is down to how they play a song within its tempo.

Listen to JJF from Altamont, for instance. The slowest ever, but still great.

Spot on. And listen to the wonderful debut of Brown Sugar at that very same Altamont. The intro is one of the best intros ever performed in the history of rock n roll. The way Keith stabs the strings. Pure menace. JJF, same. Rambler too. I happen to love the 72 and 73 versions but yes, that slow chewing evil sound. And with Bill wobbling like a boat on a windy night. Pure gold.

Is that the only time Keith played the full intro of Brown Sugar? Or perhaps he did it on the 1971 «Fish'n'Chips-tour» as well?





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UMT is slower for example yes, quite obvious...

2006
[www.youtube.com]

2017 :
[www.youtube.com]

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Here's a real comparison between the brilliant original studio version and the Hamburg-version. It's not slower, but it's you who have listened to Still Life/Hampton/Leeds a little too much, I reckon





[www.youtube.com]

Or a 2006 version DP...

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Or a 2006 version DP...

That version is so «doctored» that it doesn't count



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Is that the only time Keith played the full intro of Brown Sugar? Or perhaps he did it on the 1971 «Fish'n'Chips-tour» as well?

I think only from '72 he cut it to 3 times.

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Is that the only time Keith played the full intro of Brown Sugar? Or perhaps he did it on the 1971 «Fish'n'Chips-tour» as well?

I think only from '72 he cut it to 3 times.

Yeah, I thought so. Thanks.

Quite obvious, quite simple :
[www.beatunes.com]

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UMT is slower for example yes, quite obvious...

2006
[www.youtube.com] BPM 133,9

2017 :
[www.youtube.com] BPM 117

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Not really. Here are two classics.

Honky Tonk Woman:
114 bpm (Hamburg 2017)
112 bpm (Paris 1976)
113 bpm (Studio)

Start me up
121 bpm (Hamburg 2017)
121 bpm (Studio)

Edit: My tool is [www.all8.com]



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Side note: I knew that something like that must exist somewhere on the web but hadn't managed to find it yet! Thanks for sharing. I'll be using that in the future.



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JJF

Jumpin Jack Flash 2014- Glastonbury (BPM 135,9)
[www.youtube.com]

JJF Munich 2017 (BPM 125,7)
[www.youtube.com]

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Slower.
Not a problem, AC/DC dit it too since 2008...
Just compare Let there be rock live...

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JJF

Jumpin Jack Flash 2014- Glastonbury (BPM 135,9)
[www.youtube.com]

JJF Munich 2017 (BPM 125,7)
[www.youtube.com]

JJF SFO 1969 (BPM 118)

There. Speed doesn't matter so much I think. If it kicks your ass it kicks your ass.

Source: [www.youtube.com]



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JJF

Jumpin Jack Flash 2014- Glastonbury (BPM 135,9)
[www.youtube.com]

JJF Munich 2017 (BPM 125,7)
[www.youtube.com]

JJF SFO 1969 (BPM 118)

There. Speed doesn't matter so much I think. If it kicks your ass it kicks your ass.

Source: [www.youtube.com]

Yep, nothing wrong with slow in my book. "Under My Thumb/I'm Free" was positively dreamy in 69 and is one of my favorite live Stones performances. As you point out, JJF was slower, too. As was, I think, "Midnight Rambler." Maybe everything was slower at least a bit on that tour? Still, those versions are still to this day almost without exception what I think of as peak live Stones. I didn't dig it so much when they got so fast they sometimes lost the 'feel' of their classics.



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Compared to the way they've previously played some songs live, there's no question they've slowed down the pace of the songs.

For decades many of us have cited (complained?) about the tempo of IORR. They've played it much faster than the original recording. This latest tour they're playing it slower, much closer to the original tempo. Whether that's an attempt to be faithful to the original or a concession to age is likely the real underlying debate here.

JJF, judging from videos that have surfaced so far, is also slower than previous live versions. However, it too is now closer to the original recorded pace. There are other songs too that we've been conditioned to hear a certain way live that now sound a bit slower. Gimme Shelter comes to mind now as well.

Most of us here have only the videos that have been put online to evaluate the band this time around. At least, sitting here in Long Beach, CA., that's all I have to go by. I saw a video of Keith doing the intro to Paint it Black. It was scary/sad to watch because I was afraid all he'd be able to do is approximate the sound of the note and not be able to actually get the intro down. He more or less played it and the smile on his face was something like relief. For the first time I thought 'let's face it, there are tribute bands or just cover bands in bars who can play many of these songs better than him nowadays'.

Sacrilege, I know, blasphemy and all that, but it seems to be true. Now, can these imitators play with the same feel and swing? Of course not, not even compared to today's version of Keith. But the overall decline in ability is more noticeable now and more than gradual than it ever has been.

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JJF

Jumpin Jack Flash 2014- Glastonbury (BPM 135,9)
[www.youtube.com]

JJF Munich 2017 (BPM 125,7)
[www.youtube.com]

JJF SFO 1969 (BPM 118)

There. Speed doesn't matter so much I think. If it kicks your ass it kicks your ass.

Source: [www.youtube.com]

Yep, nothing wrong with slow in my book. "Under My Thumb/I'm Free" was positively dreamy in 69 and is one of my favorite live Stones performances. As you point out, JJF was slower, too. As was, I think, "Midnight Rambler." Maybe everything was slower at least a bit on that tour? Still, those versions are still to this day almost without exception what I think of as peak live Stones. I didn't dig it so much when they got so fast they sometimes lost the 'feel' of their classics.

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making music is like lovemaking : varying the tempo is raising the exitement

and it don't mean a thing if it ain't got the swing

so rock me baby, rock me nice and slow


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making music is like lovemaking : varying the tempo is raising the exitement

and it don't mean a thing if it ain't got the swing

so rock me baby, rock me nice and slow


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Well!

'Ladies and Gentlemen the RS' 1972 CD
I don't think it's ever leaving my car.
It's been stuck on 'Bitch'
Plays fast. ;-)

I Am still intrigued about the slower tempos this tour. Enough songs are obviously slower that it had to be a conscious decision by someone in the group. Why ?

Because of age