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duke richardson
that first album is great.
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duke richardson
that first album is great.
Yeah, the first CSN album is Stills' baby.
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wonderboy
Excellent piece.
What did Keith mean when he said 'Stephen Stills doesn't know how to do drugs.'
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noughties
-Reminds when I couldn`t figure out where the song "A Horse With No Name" came from, after seeing the movie "Marrakesh Express" in the 90s. They didn`t get permission to include it in the soundtrack CD. It wasn`t Neil Young. Was it Stephen Stills? Was it Manassas? No! It was a band called America. I used to notice even songs I didn`t like back in the 70s. However, this one passed me by, but "wow!" how it struck me 25 years later...
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loog droog
I disagree with Stills being "the man" until the late 70's. In 1973 after the second Manassas album flopped, he fled back to the sure-fire CSNY for the 1974 reunion/stadium tour. That was probably the last time he was credible.
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duke richardson
thanks, fine piece on Stephen Stills.
not sure I want to read that book, but that article is great.
Stephen Stills and Judy Collins are performing in Atlanta tonight.
and... I wonder if Bill Wyman really wanted to 'join Manassas' ?
was he that frustrated or did he just like that band? that first album is great.
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noughties
-Reminds when I couldn`t figure out where the song "A Horse With No Name" came from, after seeing the movie "Marrakesh Express" in the 90s. They didn`t get permission to include it in the soundtrack CD. It wasn`t Neil Young. Was it Stephen Stills? Was it Manassas? No! It was a band called America. I used to notice even songs I didn`t like back in the 70s. However, this one passed me by, but "wow!" how it struck me 25 years later...
A lot of people thought that "Horse With No Name" was a Neil Young song when it first came out.
In the same vein, here's a now-forgotten song that was an AM hit with a CSN sound to it:
[www.youtube.com]
I disagree with Stills being "the man" until the late 70's. In 1973 after the second Manassas album flopped, he fled back to the sure-fire CSNY for the 1974 reunion/stadium tour. That was probably the last time he was credible.
His two albums on Columbia in '75 had a few moments ("As I Come Of Age" with CSN vocals and Ringo on drums is a standout) but overall he was in a holding pattern and didn't live up to the promise of his earlier work.
Stephen's songs on the Stills-Young Band album in '76 were wretched, pretentious, and for me, unlistenable. It's like a vertical drop in artistic quality, and just godawful compared to Young's tunes (which apart from "Long May You Run" weren't even first-rate Neil).
The CSN album/comeback tour in '77 was very weak tea compared with their first album 8 years earlier. They updated their sound--that cocktail lounge electric piano solo in Still's "Dark Star" kind of says it all: it was the start of their "Vegas years."
It's too bad because at their peak CSNY were untouchable. You see the performance footage of them in 1970 in Journey Through The Past, and they are like four kings.
Stills WAS The Man back then. What the heck happened to the guy?? Drugs? Ego? Or a toxic combo of the two?
When The Eagles came along in '72 they were another wanna-be CSNY, but nowhere near their stature. They weren't fit to shine their shoes.
Look how it ended up.
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stonehearted
I always liked the song Change Partners: [www.youtube.com]
Is that Jerry Garcia on guitar?
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stonehearted
I always liked the song Change Partners: [www.youtube.com]
Is that Jerry Garcia on guitar?
jerry Garcia plays pedal steel guitar on that and on the CSNY tune "teach your children"
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duke richardson
that first album is great.
Yeah, the first CSN album is Stills' baby.
yes it is.
I was referring to the first Manassas album, which Bill played on..only one track i think..
if you like CSN you'll love this, if you havent heard it...
[www.youtube.com]
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noughties
-Reminds when I couldn`t figure out where the song "A Horse With No Name" came from, after seeing the movie "Marrakesh Express" in the 90s. They didn`t get permission to include it in the soundtrack CD. It wasn`t Neil Young. Was it Stephen Stills? Was it Manassas? No! It was a band called America. I used to notice even songs I didn`t like back in the 70s. However, this one passed me by, but "wow!" how it struck me 25 years later...
A lot of people thought that "Horse With No Name" was a Neil Young song when it first came out.
In the same vein, here's a now-forgotten song that was an AM hit with a CSN sound to it:
[www.youtube.com]
I disagree with Stills being "the man" until the late 70's. In 1973 after the second Manassas album flopped, he fled back to the sure-fire CSNY for the 1974 reunion/stadium tour. That was probably the last time he was credible.
His two albums on Columbia in '75 had a few moments ("As I Come Of Age" with CSN vocals and Ringo on drums is a standout) but overall he was in a holding pattern and didn't live up to the promise of his earlier work.
Stephen's songs on the Stills-Young Band album in '76 were wretched, pretentious, and for me, unlistenable. It's like a vertical drop in artistic quality, and just godawful compared to Young's tunes (which apart from "Long May You Run" weren't even first-rate Neil).
The CSN album/comeback tour in '77 was very weak tea compared with their first album 8 years earlier. They updated their sound--that cocktail lounge electric piano solo in Still's "Dark Star" kind of says it all: it was the start of their "Vegas years."
It's too bad because at their peak CSNY were untouchable. You see the performance footage of them in 1970 in Journey Through The Past, and they are like four kings.
Stills WAS The Man back then. What the heck happened to the guy?? Drugs? Ego? Or a toxic combo of the two?
When The Eagles came along in '72 they were another wanna-be CSNY, but nowhere near their stature. They weren't fit to shine their shoes.
Look how it ended up.
see I happen to think the 1975 album is the 2nd best solo album he did and that illegal stills is also strong. the issue with illegal stills was that it ended up getting rushed due to the stills-young band release. the 2nd manassas album had some bad production and a few bad choices but its strong stuff. go check out the release PIECES and the songs "like a fox", "witching hour", and "high and dry". these were songs that for whatever reason did not make the cut for the 2nd album.
as far as the 1977 CSN album and the stills-young band releases. they seem to divide fans. they are either loved or hated. some people say that most of the weaker neil young tunes make the album seem weaker than it really is.
here are some great stills songs though that were released AFTER 1977
-thoroughfare gap
-lowdown
-wounded world
-Spanish suite
-southern cross
-daylight again
-war games
-got it made
-haven't we lost enough
-it won't go away
-only waiting for you
-no tears left
-virtual world
-don't want lies
-roadhouse
check out the 2 great recent albums by the band THE RIDES that stills is part of.
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noughties
-Reminds when I couldn`t figure out where the song "A Horse With No Name" came from, after seeing the movie "Marrakesh Express" in the 90s. They didn`t get permission to include it in the soundtrack CD. It wasn`t Neil Young. Was it Stephen Stills? Was it Manassas? No! It was a band called America. I used to notice even songs I didn`t like back in the 70s. However, this one passed me by, but "wow!" how it struck me 25 years later...
A lot of people thought that "Horse With No Name" was a Neil Young song when it first came out.
In the same vein, here's a now-forgotten song that was an AM hit with a CSN sound to it:
[www.youtube.com]
I disagree with Stills being "the man" until the late 70's. In 1973 after the second Manassas album flopped, he fled back to the sure-fire CSNY for the 1974 reunion/stadium tour. That was probably the last time he was credible.
His two albums on Columbia in '75 had a few moments ("As I Come Of Age" with CSN vocals and Ringo on drums is a standout) but overall he was in a holding pattern and didn't live up to the promise of his earlier work.
Stephen's songs on the Stills-Young Band album in '76 were wretched, pretentious, and for me, unlistenable. It's like a vertical drop in artistic quality, and just godawful compared to Young's tunes (which apart from "Long May You Run" weren't even first-rate Neil).
The CSN album/comeback tour in '77 was very weak tea compared with their first album 8 years earlier. They updated their sound--that cocktail lounge electric piano solo in Still's "Dark Star" kind of says it all: it was the start of their "Vegas years."
It's too bad because at their peak CSNY were untouchable. You see the performance footage of them in 1970 in Journey Through The Past, and they are like four kings.
Stills WAS The Man back then. What the heck happened to the guy?? Drugs? Ego? Or a toxic combo of the two?
When The Eagles came along in '72 they were another wanna-be CSNY, but nowhere near their stature. They weren't fit to shine their shoes.
Look how it ended up.
see I happen to think the 1975 album is the 2nd best solo album he did and that illegal stills is also strong. the issue with illegal stills was that it ended up getting rushed due to the stills-young band release. the 2nd manassas album had some bad production and a few bad choices but its strong stuff. go check out the release PIECES and the songs "like a fox", "witching hour", and "high and dry". these were songs that for whatever reason did not make the cut for the 2nd album.
as far as the 1977 CSN album and the stills-young band releases. they seem to divide fans. they are either loved or hated. some people say that most of the weaker neil young tunes make the album seem weaker than it really is.
here are some great stills songs though that were released AFTER 1977
-thoroughfare gap
-lowdown
-wounded world
-Spanish suite
-southern cross
-daylight again
-war games
-got it made
-haven't we lost enough
-it won't go away
-only waiting for you
-no tears left
-virtual world
-don't want lies
-roadhouse
check out the 2 great recent albums by the band THE RIDES that stills is part of.
And don't forget Treetop Flyer.
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duke richardson
that first album is great.
Yeah, the first CSN album is Stills' baby.
yes it is.
I was referring to the first Manassas album, which Bill played on..only one track i think..
if you like CSN you'll love this, if you havent heard it...
[www.youtube.com]
The Manassas album has quite a few parallels with Exile on Main Street. A double that was released more or less in the same week, it has four distinctly different sounding sides and a strong country influence.
It's also a totally absorbing listen and one that reveals its treasures slowly, with each subsequent listen. I consider it to be a masterpiece.
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Wry Cooter
Completely agree -- Manassas, along with Exile and Layla, the troika of sprawling double LP masterpieces from the early 70s. And like the other two, one I still listen to with regularity.
Stills is a fascinating character to me. He is sometime set aside in terms of importance relative to Neil Young for one, but he came across as the leader and driving force of his early bands. When I saw the '74 CSNY tour he was clearly the spokesman. The precipitous drop in the quality of his music after that time would seem to be a clear statement on the effect of drug use, but is anything that simple? That he is a "survivor" is great -- he seems to be a bright, humorous, even decent guy in interviews.
As a side note, anyone seen "Autism, the Musical" which includes Stills and his son Henry?
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duke richardson
that first album is great.
Yeah, the first CSN album is Stills' baby.
yes it is.
I was referring to the first Manassas album, which Bill played on..only one track i think..
if you like CSN you'll love this, if you havent heard it...
[www.youtube.com]
The Manassas album has quite a few parallels with Exile on Main Street. A double that was released more or less in the same week, it has four distinctly different sounding sides and a strong country influence.
It's also a totally absorbing listen and one that reveals its treasures slowly, with each subsequent listen. I consider it to be a masterpiece.
Completely agree -- Manassas, along with Exile and Layla, the troika of sprawling double LP masterpieces from the early 70s. And like the other two, one I still listen to with regularity.
Stills is a fascinating character to me. He is sometime set aside in terms of importance relative to Neil Young for one, but he came across as the leader and driving force of his early bands. When I saw the '74 CSNY tour he was clearly the spokesman. The precipitous drop in the quality of his music after that time would seem to be a clear statement on the effect of drug use, but is anything that simple? That he is a "survivor" is great -- he seems to be a bright, humorous, even decent guy in interviews.
As a side note, anyone seen "Autism, the Musical" which includes Stills and his son Henry?
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duke richardson
that first album is great.
Yeah, the first CSN album is Stills' baby.
yes it is.
I was referring to the first Manassas album, which Bill played on..only one track i think..
if you like CSN you'll love this, if you havent heard it...
[www.youtube.com]
The Manassas album has quite a few parallels with Exile on Main Street. A double that was released more or less in the same week, it has four distinctly different sounding sides and a strong country influence.
It's also a totally absorbing listen and one that reveals its treasures slowly, with each subsequent listen. I consider it to be a masterpiece.
Completely agree -- Manassas, along with Exile and Layla, the troika of sprawling double LP masterpieces from the early 70s. And like the other two, one I still listen to with regularity.
Stills is a fascinating character to me. He is sometime set aside in terms of importance relative to Neil Young for one, but he came across as the leader and driving force of his early bands. When I saw the '74 CSNY tour he was clearly the spokesman. The precipitous drop in the quality of his music after that time would seem to be a clear statement on the effect of drug use, but is anything that simple? That he is a "survivor" is great -- he seems to be a bright, humorous, even decent guy in interviews.
As a side note, anyone seen "Autism, the Musical" which includes Stills and his son Henry?
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stonehearted
I always liked the song Change Partners: [www.youtube.com]
Is that Jerry Garcia on guitar?
jerry Garcia plays pedal steel guitar on that and on the CSNY tune "teach your children"
As well as Graham Nash's "I Used to Be a King", and it adds SO much emotion to the tune.
I Used To Be A King