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Victor Hugo
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: November 21, 2016 19:27

"Why don't ya go back to Victor Hugo?" Keef sings to Br.. Mick. Was that a Disco in NYC or what does he mean? Les Miserables an' all. Anybody knows??

GREAT tune by the way!!

smileys with beer

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: November 21, 2016 19:42

It's a hotel in Paris.
[victorhugohotel.com]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: November 21, 2016 19:52

Wow! Thanks mate!

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: nankerzrk ()
Date: November 21, 2016 20:02

Sorry, which song is this? One of the Place Pigalle boots?

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: riccardo99 ()
Date: November 21, 2016 20:05

Foxes in the boxes

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: November 21, 2016 20:16

[www.youtube.com]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: Monsoon Ragoon ()
Date: November 21, 2016 20:42

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Deltics
It's a hotel in Paris.
[victorhugohotel.com]

The Stones hotel in 1985?

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: November 21, 2016 23:45

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Deltics
[www.youtube.com]

I like it...but i prefer Eliza!!!

[www.youtube.com]



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Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: RipThisBone ()
Date: November 22, 2016 00:30

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KRiffhard
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Deltics
[www.youtube.com]

I like it...but i prefer Eliza!!!

[www.youtube.com]

thumbs up smileys with beer

Eliza At The Victor Hugo.....

Could have been a War Horse by now if ...

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: November 22, 2016 14:33

Add lyrics and some horns/piano...and put this song on new album:
[www.youtube.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-11-22 14:37 by KRiffhard.

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: November 22, 2016 21:33

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KRiffhard
Add lyrics and some horns/piano...and put this song on new album:

Please no, it's not a song it's just Keef venting off his frustration at being betrayed by someone from his "entourage". There's tons of better unreleased stuff from 1985.

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: RipThisBone ()
Date: November 22, 2016 22:42

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Deltics
[www.youtube.com]

There was a long thread about this when Foxes In The Boxes outtakes surfaced. Can't find it.

It's great we eventually get to hear an impromtu in studio jam like this years and years later.

Boogie music started by STU and Keith..........

Improvised lyrics by Keith on the spot commenting on what's happening during these sessions in Paris.

And CHARLIE joining in halfway because he likes what he hears...

Little guitarsolo by Keith and STU piano to end it.

Perfect.

DIRTY WORK DELUXE could be great!!!

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: latebloomer ()
Date: November 22, 2016 22:45

Sanctuary!! (Sorry...couldn't resist) smiling smiley

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: RipThisBone ()
Date: November 22, 2016 23:33

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latebloomer
Sanctuary!! (Sorry...couldn't resist) smiling smiley

Indeed!

No doubt you are BELIEVER too Latebloomer...

Listening to the lyrics again this came to my mind:
Keith is not only putting down Mick (he called him Brenda at the time) but also tells Charlie on the spot to leave the sessions and "Do Your Little Druggie" at the Victor Hugo or elswere.

It is a known fact (Mr. Watts himself made this public) that Charlie was on drugs/drinking during the DIRTY WORK Sessions.

Dirty Work was finished with a lot of other drummers (Anton Fig, Steve Jordan, Ronnie Wood).........



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Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: November 23, 2016 00:29

This appears to have been reworked as "I Could Have Stood You Up" for TALK IS CHEAP.

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: RipThisBone ()
Date: November 23, 2016 00:42

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Rocky Dijon
This appears to have been reworked as "I Could Have Stood You Up" for TALK IS CHEAP.

thumbs up

Yes you are right.

This was discused in the ealier thread about Foxes in the Boxes.

The title is clear: I Could Have Stood You Up (but I did not).

Fact: Charlie knows THE ROLLING STONES without him are thumbs down

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: potus43 ()
Date: November 24, 2016 00:16

sure

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: November 24, 2016 08:52

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Rocky Dijon
This appears to have been reworked as "I Could Have Stood You Up" for TALK IS CHEAP.

thumbs up

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: November 24, 2016 08:55

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dcba
Quote
KRiffhard
Add lyrics and some horns/piano...and put this song on new album:

Please no, it's not a song it's just Keef venting off his frustration at being betrayed by someone from his "entourage". There's tons of better unreleased stuff from 1985.

Hi dcba, i was referring to 'In your hand' from Undercover's sessions!
[www.youtube.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-11-24 10:55 by KRiffhard.

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: November 24, 2016 09:40

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Monsoon Ragoon
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Deltics
It's a hotel in Paris.
[victorhugohotel.com]

The Stones hotel in 1985?

No, that's what's a bit confusing, their hotel was the "Warwick" just off the Champs-Elysées.

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: ouroux58 ()
Date: November 24, 2016 10:27

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gotdablouse
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Monsoon Ragoon
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Deltics
It's a hotel in Paris.
[victorhugohotel.com]

The Stones hotel in 1985?

No, that's what's a bit confusing, their hotel was the "Warwick" just off the Champs-Elysées.

Only Charlie, Bill and Ian was at the Warwick Hotel. The others had their own flat or house.
About Charlie's addiction, it's true but he was there until the last day on mid-June.

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: NeddieFlanders ()
Date: November 24, 2016 11:25

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KRiffhard
Quote
dcba
Quote
KRiffhard
Add lyrics and some horns/piano...and put this song on new album:

Please no, it's not a song it's just Keef venting off his frustration at being betrayed by someone from his "entourage". There's tons of better unreleased stuff from 1985.

Hi dcba, i was referring to 'In your hand' from Undercover's sessions!
[www.youtube.com]

This song is neither called In Your Hand nor Stop That by the way, but Cooking Up.

N

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: November 24, 2016 12:10

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NeddieFlanders
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KRiffhard
Quote
dcba
Quote
KRiffhard
Add lyrics and some horns/piano...and put this song on new album:

Please no, it's not a song it's just Keef venting off his frustration at being betrayed by someone from his "entourage". There's tons of better unreleased stuff from 1985.

Hi dcba, i was referring to 'In your hand' from Undercover's sessions!
[www.youtube.com]

This song is neither called In Your Hand nor Stop That by the way, but Cooking Up.

N


Are you sure Neddie?


821111A 11th November - 19th December: Boulogne Billancourt (near Paris),
France, Pathé-Marconi Studios.
(...)
- Cooking Up II (MJ/KR)
- In Your Hand (MJ/KR)

(...)

From: [www.nzentgraf.de]



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Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: November 24, 2016 12:56

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ouroux58
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gotdablouse
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Monsoon Ragoon
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Deltics
It's a hotel in Paris.
[victorhugohotel.com]

The Stones hotel in 1985?

No, that's what's a bit confusing, their hotel was the "Warwick" just off the Champs-Elysées.

Only Charlie, Bill and Ian was at the Warwick Hotel. The others had their own flat or house.
About Charlie's addiction, it's true but he was there until the last day on mid-June.

OK, so the mystery remains about the "Victor Hugo" then...and who could have been staying and have p*ssed off Keith so badly, or he chose that name because of the rhyme/sound/rythm and did mean the Warwick.

Were you one of those fortunate enough to have dinner at the Val d'Isère across from the Warwick from time to time ? I know someone who went there pretty often and told me a few years later that "Charlie avait toujours un coup dans le nez", which I took for meaning (as it does in French) that he always seemed drunk...not sure if it was known at the time by those who hung around there that it was a lot worse than that.

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: ouroux58 ()
Date: November 24, 2016 13:29

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gotdablouse
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ouroux58
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gotdablouse
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Monsoon Ragoon
Quote
Deltics
It's a hotel in Paris.
[victorhugohotel.com]

The Stones hotel in 1985?

No, that's what's a bit confusing, their hotel was the "Warwick" just off the Champs-Elysées.

Only Charlie, Bill and Ian was at the Warwick Hotel. The others had their own flat or house.
About Charlie's addiction, it's true but he was there until the last day on mid-June.

OK, so the mystery remains about the "Victor Hugo" then...and who could have been staying and have p*ssed off Keith so badly, or he chose that name because of the rhyme/sound/rythm and did mean the Warwick.

Were you one of those fortunate enough to have dinner at the Val d'Isère across from the Warwick from time to time ? I know someone who went there pretty often and told me a few years later that "Charlie avait toujours un coup dans le nez", which I took for meaning (as it does in French) that he always seemed drunk...not sure if it was known at the time by those who hung around there that it was a lot worse than that.

I know that Jagger went sometimes to the "avenue Victor Hugo", he certainly knew people over there and perhaps slept too. Hotel Victor HUGO is very closed to the avenue too.
He went to the Lancaster hotel too, the building just after the Warwick. About the "Val d'Isère", we took the cheaper meal, an omelette! smileys with beer

Re: Victor Hugo
Date: November 24, 2016 14:36

I always thought Keith wrote about Mick going to the Victor Hugo, instead of staying with him, writing songs.

The lyrics are beyond hilarious grinning smiley

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: November 24, 2016 14:49

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ouroux58
About the "Val d'Isère", we took the cheaper meal, an omelette! smileys with beer

Salaud de pauvre! >grinning smiley< Did you wear a tie?

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: NeddieFlanders ()
Date: November 25, 2016 11:22

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KRiffhard
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NeddieFlanders
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KRiffhard
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dcba
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KRiffhard
Add lyrics and some horns/piano...and put this song on new album:

Please no, it's not a song it's just Keef venting off his frustration at being betrayed by someone from his "entourage". There's tons of better unreleased stuff from 1985.

Hi dcba, i was referring to 'In your hand' from Undercover's sessions!
[www.youtube.com]

This song is neither called In Your Hand nor Stop That by the way, but Cooking Up.

N


Are you sure Neddie?


821111A 11th November - 19th December: Boulogne Billancourt (near Paris),
France, Pathé-Marconi Studios.
(...)
- Cooking Up II (MJ/KR)
- In Your Hand (MJ/KR)

(...)

From: [www.nzentgraf.de]

Yes I am.

In Your Hand is track 5 on The Fabulous Cuts by the way.

N

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: November 25, 2016 12:07

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NeddieFlanders
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KRiffhard
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NeddieFlanders
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KRiffhard
Quote
dcba
Quote
KRiffhard
Add lyrics and some horns/piano...and put this song on new album:

Please no, it's not a song it's just Keef venting off his frustration at being betrayed by someone from his "entourage". There's tons of better unreleased stuff from 1985.

Hi dcba, i was referring to 'In your hand' from Undercover's sessions!
[www.youtube.com]

This song is neither called In Your Hand nor Stop That by the way, but Cooking Up.

N


Are you sure Neddie?


821111A 11th November - 19th December: Boulogne Billancourt (near Paris),
France, Pathé-Marconi Studios.
(...)
- Cooking Up II (MJ/KR)
- In Your Hand (MJ/KR)

(...)

From: [www.nzentgraf.de]

Yes I am.

In Your Hand is track 5 on The Fabulous Cuts by the way.

N

Thanks! You're right.

Re: Victor Hugo
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 26, 2016 00:37

Sounds like Steve Jordan on drums.

Wow, Keith was a bit pissed!

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