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The Vivienne Westwood tee with DESTROY above the swastika. That's okay.
All true . . . also check out Jorma K at Woodstock, surely no more of a Nazi symp than Keith.
I'd really be interested to read this quote about H!tler if anyone can find it (and if he did, in fact, say it!).
Always a possibility, but if this were the 1978/1979-era Keith, I feel like it'd be more of a PR-stunt/"bad boy" image, like you said. Keep in mind that, while the swastika used to be an image of good luck and fortune, after Germany in the 1930s-early 1940s, that whole viewpoint pretty much became (literal and metaphorical) history. I am reminded, though, of how the 1990s Japanese game/TV series, Pokemon, used to always have a bit of trouble with incorporating images or markings reminiscent of Nazis and Nazi-ism, like an 'SS' here or a right arm fully extended there...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-08 08:28 by BeforeTheyMakeMeRun.
Young boys and Jimmy Miller, obviously
Certainly was..
...when they weren't running around the playground arms outstretched, pretending to be a Spitfire or a BF109
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-08 12:00 by Spud.
yeah i know, but since world war II it is the sign of the nazis, period. on the guitar there are also other german war signs, so the context is clear. pretty silly proving to be a bad guy with such stuff.
i was at exhbibitionism and saw the guitar with my own eyes if thats prrof enough! ;-) didnt take any pictures.
Post of the week!
Maybe in 'our' part of the world -
but in (f.i.) Asian Hindu countries it is still widely in use today, with only the intention of its original meaning from starters.
And since it was theirs to begin with (to my knowledge), I don't see no reason why they should be deprived from it - just because some stark raving mad lunatic of a dictator briefly made it his symbol of Hate.
Btw: was the nazi swastika not a reversed ('mirrored') Hindi swastika?
Simply to provoke. I grew up in Holland, and we wore German army stuff all the time at school, it was just our way of being punk in the late 80's. Just to provoke teachers and parents.
Mathijs
That's a far out piece of craftmanship right there! Love it
Thanks for posting
Teehee, 'guitar porn'...
I know, it's only guitar porn, but I like it!!
Figures you would
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swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
guitarbastard
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Date: August 7, 2016 22:11
has probably been a topv before, but ive been to the stones exhibition in london today and on the 5string newman guitar that is shown there are small swasticas signs among other signs. does anyone know why?
we were a bit irritated...
we were a bit irritated...
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
mitch
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Date: August 7, 2016 22:20
You shouldn't see "Live From Texas 1978" then, you would be a lot irritated...
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
guitarbastard
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Date: August 7, 2016 22:29
why?Quote
mitch
You shouldn't see "Live From Texas 1978" then, you would be a lot irritated...
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
django
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Date: August 7, 2016 22:31
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guitarbastardwhy?Quote
mitch
You shouldn't see "Live From Texas 1978" then, you would be a lot irritated...
The Vivienne Westwood tee with DESTROY above the swastika. That's okay.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
BroomWagon
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Date: August 8, 2016 05:26
Did not Richards once say something about @#$%& which was not exactly negative, I'm sure someone has heard that, I could not find a reference on the internet. I disagreed but kind of blew it off.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Wry Cooter
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Date: August 8, 2016 05:27
For what it's worth, the swastika predates the Nazis by at least 15,000 years. It had prominence in myriad cultures all over the world -- Hindu, Buddhist and Native American among many others. But I don't know if Keith was thinking about any of that, or just wanted to be a "bad boy."
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Rokyfan
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Date: August 8, 2016 06:32
Quote
Wry Cooter
For what it's worth, the swastika predates the Nazis by at least 15,000 years. It had prominence in myriad cultures all over the world -- Hindu, Buddhist and Native American among many others. But I don't know if Keith was thinking about any of that, or just wanted to be a "bad boy."
All true . . . also check out Jorma K at Woodstock, surely no more of a Nazi symp than Keith.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
BeforeTheyMakeMeRun
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Date: August 8, 2016 08:28
Quote
BroomWagon
Did not Richards once say something about @#$%& which was not exactly negative, I'm sure someone has heard that, I could not find a reference on the internet. I disagreed but kind of blew it off.
I'd really be interested to read this quote about H!tler if anyone can find it (and if he did, in fact, say it!).
Quote
Wry Cooter
For what it's worth, the swastika predates the Nazis by at least 15,000 years. It had prominence in myriad cultures all over the world -- Hindu, Buddhist and Native American among many others. But I don't know if Keith was thinking about any of that, or just wanted to be a "bad boy."
Always a possibility, but if this were the 1978/1979-era Keith, I feel like it'd be more of a PR-stunt/"bad boy" image, like you said. Keep in mind that, while the swastika used to be an image of good luck and fortune, after Germany in the 1930s-early 1940s, that whole viewpoint pretty much became (literal and metaphorical) history. I am reminded, though, of how the 1990s Japanese game/TV series, Pokemon, used to always have a bit of trouble with incorporating images or markings reminiscent of Nazis and Nazi-ism, like an 'SS' here or a right arm fully extended there...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-08 08:28 by BeforeTheyMakeMeRun.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
z
()
Date: August 8, 2016 09:53
I always suspected Braun Sugar was written for Eva.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Stoneage
()
Date: August 8, 2016 10:29
To carve swastikas in wood - wasn't that what young boys, tired of school, did to pass time during long school days?
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
riffcliche69
()
Date: August 8, 2016 11:43
Would someone please post a picture of the guitar in question, which clearly shows the swastika?
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: August 8, 2016 11:44
Quote
Stoneage
To carve swastikas in wood - wasn't that what young boys, tired of school, did to pass time during long school days?
Young boys and Jimmy Miller, obviously
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: August 8, 2016 11:44
Quote
Stoneage
To carve swastikas in wood - wasn't that what young boys, tired of school, did to pass time during long school days?
Certainly was..
...when they weren't running around the playground arms outstretched, pretending to be a Spitfire or a BF109
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-08 12:00 by Spud.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 8, 2016 11:53
Keith had a leather Nazi officer greatcoat that he wore in 1969. Apparently it got left behind at Altamont.
He wore part of a Nazi uniform on a TV show in 1967, and again at Mick's wedding in '71.
Didn't he own an SS officer's car for a while? And Nellcote had served as some kind of Nazi headquarters.
Here's an article that may put some of the fascination into context - I haven't read it all,
so if it turns fatuous and stupid I apologise. [hipquotient.com]
He wore part of a Nazi uniform on a TV show in 1967, and again at Mick's wedding in '71.
Didn't he own an SS officer's car for a while? And Nellcote had served as some kind of Nazi headquarters.
Here's an article that may put some of the fascination into context - I haven't read it all,
so if it turns fatuous and stupid I apologise. [hipquotient.com]
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
guitarbastard
()
Date: August 8, 2016 12:42
Quote
Wry Cooter
For what it's worth, the swastika predates the Nazis by at least 15,000 years. It had prominence in myriad cultures all over the world -- Hindu, Buddhist and Native American among many others. But I don't know if Keith was thinking about any of that, or just wanted to be a "bad boy."
yeah i know, but since world war II it is the sign of the nazis, period. on the guitar there are also other german war signs, so the context is clear. pretty silly proving to be a bad guy with such stuff.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 8, 2016 12:46
The Rolling Stones get everyone's goat sooner or later. It's a gift they have.
But guitarbastard, please do have a look at the article I linked to in my earlier post.
But guitarbastard, please do have a look at the article I linked to in my earlier post.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
guitarbastard
()
Date: August 8, 2016 12:46
Quote
riffcliche69
Would someone please post a picture of the guitar in question, which clearly shows the swastika?
i was at exhbibitionism and saw the guitar with my own eyes if thats prrof enough! ;-) didnt take any pictures.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Koen
()
Date: August 8, 2016 12:56
Quote
z
I always suspected Braun Sugar was written for Eva.
Post of the week!
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
RoughJusticeOnYa
()
Date: August 8, 2016 13:23
Quote
guitarbastard
yeah i know, but since world war II it is the sign of the nazis, period.
Maybe in 'our' part of the world -
but in (f.i.) Asian Hindu countries it is still widely in use today, with only the intention of its original meaning from starters.
And since it was theirs to begin with (to my knowledge), I don't see no reason why they should be deprived from it - just because some stark raving mad lunatic of a dictator briefly made it his symbol of Hate.
Btw: was the nazi swastika not a reversed ('mirrored') Hindi swastika?
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: August 8, 2016 13:50
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with sssoul
The Rolling Stones get everyone's goat sooner or later. It's a gift they have...
quote]
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-08 13:52 by Spud.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: August 8, 2016 14:01
Quote
guitarbastard
has probably been a topv before, but ive been to the stones exhibition in london today and on the 5string newman guitar that is shown there are small swasticas signs among other signs. does anyone know why?
we were a bit irritated...
Simply to provoke. I grew up in Holland, and we wore German army stuff all the time at school, it was just our way of being punk in the late 80's. Just to provoke teachers and parents.
Mathijs
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
BILLPERKS
()
Date: August 8, 2016 14:06
@#$%& loved dogs & was a helluva public speaker.
Jus sayin.
Jus sayin.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 8, 2016 14:40
Awww thanks Spud!
@>----,------ There's a rose for you, whether you ain't got none or not :E
Meanwhile, the good Mathijs took these photos of the culprit at Exhibitionism.
The instrument is a Newman-Jones job that Keith used in 1973.
2016 by MH
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-08 15:02 by with sssoul.
@>----,------ There's a rose for you, whether you ain't got none or not :E
Meanwhile, the good Mathijs took these photos of the culprit at Exhibitionism.
The instrument is a Newman-Jones job that Keith used in 1973.
2016 by MH
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-08 15:02 by with sssoul.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 8, 2016 14:48
Here's a fuller shot. I think the mosquito in amber is my favourite. Bad boys bad boys ... :E
- 2016 by Mathijs
- 2016 by Mathijs
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
waterrats
()
Date: August 8, 2016 15:56
"Swastica" is a Sanskrit compositum, made of "su-" and "asti". "-ka" is the nominative affix, If I recall correctly... ;-)
It simply means "(it) be good" or "may it be good". The sign is understood in Buddhism as a symbol for stability. That's why it's shown at right angle, with one 'foot' firmly on the ground.
The Nazis just mirrored it and turned it around for 45° - maybe that's why their 1000 years only lasted a few years. Which is exactly a few years too long, IMHO...
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-08 16:05 by waterrats.
It simply means "(it) be good" or "may it be good". The sign is understood in Buddhism as a symbol for stability. That's why it's shown at right angle, with one 'foot' firmly on the ground.
The Nazis just mirrored it and turned it around for 45° - maybe that's why their 1000 years only lasted a few years. Which is exactly a few years too long, IMHO...
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-08 16:05 by waterrats.
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: August 8, 2016 16:16
Quote
with sssoul
Here's a fuller shot. I think the mosquito in amber is my favourite. Bad boys bad boys ... :E
- 2016 by Mathijs
That's a far out piece of craftmanship right there! Love it
Thanks for posting
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 8, 2016 16:17
I will be posting more of Mathijs's guitar porn shots as I find the time :E
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
waterrats
()
Date: August 8, 2016 16:43
Quote
with sssoul
I will be posting more of Mathijs's guitar porn shots as I find the time :E
Teehee, 'guitar porn'...
I know, it's only guitar porn, but I like it!!
Re: swastica on keith guitar
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
()
Date: August 8, 2016 17:08
Quote
MathijsQuote
guitarbastard
has probably been a topv before, but ive been to the stones exhibition in london today and on the 5string newman guitar that is shown there are small swasticas signs among other signs. does anyone know why?
we were a bit irritated...
Simply to provoke. I grew up in Holland, and we wore German army stuff all the time at school, it was just our way of being punk in the late 80's. Just to provoke teachers and parents.
Mathijs
Figures you would
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