BV says nothing sensational about a possible Munich show, only that they've been there always, but not last time around. He knows no concrete rumour as it seems.
I think if they don't play Switzerland then there may be two shows in Germany, one of them probably in the South. But why should they headline a Munich festival? They would sell out the Olympic Stadium on their own and earn much more money. The Merkur presents no rumour but an circular argument.



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BV says nothing sensational about a possible Munich show, only that they've been there always, but not last time around. He knows no concrete rumour as it seems.
I think if they don't play Switzerland then there may be two shows in Germany, one of them probably in the South. But why should they headline a Munich festival? They would sell out the Olympic Stadium on their own and earn much more money. The Merkur presents no rumour but an circular argument.

Many reliable sources stated over the last few months that the Stones try to avoid too high cost for stage and crew. If they play 10 shows next year and most of them are festivals they do only need a stage crew but no huge steel crew like on past tours. They did the same this year during the short US tour.

Rumors of festival appearances are Vienna (Donauinsel), Munich (Rockavaria) and Oslo as of now. Furthermore all other concerts could be billed as special "festivals" like they did in Hyde Park 2013.

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BV says nothing sensational about a possible Munich show, only that they've been there always, but not last time around. He knows no concrete rumour as it seems.
I think if they don't play Switzerland then there may be two shows in Germany, one of them probably in the South. But why should they headline a Munich festival? They would sell out the Olympic Stadium on their own and earn much more money. The Merkur presents no rumour but an circular argument.

Many reliable sources stated over the last few months that the Stones try to avoid too high cost for stage and crew. If they play 10 shows next year and most of them are festivals they do only need a stage crew but no huge steel crew like on past tours. They did the same this year during the short US tour.

Rumors of festival appearances are Vienna (Donauinsel), Munich (Rockavaria) and Oslo as of now. Furthermore all other concerts could be billed as special "festivals" like they did in Hyde Park 2013.

Nijmegen is also an example of keeping costs down. G&R are playing at Goffertpark on July 12th. So it is a safe bet that they keep the basic stage set-up and just add the Stones screen and decoration like b-stage.

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BV says nothing sensational about a possible Munich show, only that they've been there always, but not last time around. He knows no concrete rumour as it seems.
I think if they don't play Switzerland then there may be two shows in Germany, one of them probably in the South. But why should they headline a Munich festival? They would sell out the Olympic Stadium on their own and earn much more money. The Merkur presents no rumour but an circular argument.

Many reliable sources stated over the last few months that the Stones try to avoid too high cost for stage and crew. If they play 10 shows next year and most of them are festivals they do only need a stage crew but no huge steel crew like on past tours. They did the same this year during the short US tour.

Rumors of festival appearances are Vienna (Donauinsel), Munich (Rockavaria) and Oslo as of now. Furthermore all other concerts could be billed as special "festivals" like they did in Hyde Park 2013.

Good argument. But the "rumoured"/possible Munich festival date end of May does not fit to a 10 concerts tour until mid July. The Stones would have absurd high costs for hotels etc.

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Many reliable sources stated over the last few months that the Stones try to avoid too high cost for stage and crew. If they play 10 shows next year and most of them are festivals they do only need a stage crew but no huge steel crew like on past tours. They did the same this year during the short US tour.

Thinking that The Stones would organize their tour around the main idea that they would tour "on budget" is absolutely laughable IMO. I mean we all know how much they earn on each and every concert. The last US minitour was scheduled around the Desert Trip, where they didn't have their stage indeed, but it was obviously a very special occasion, which The Stones didn't come up with. Anyway, thinking that The Stones would do a "festival tour" in order to save money on stage is something like saying that they would be staying in backpackers' hostels IMO.

Anyway, there is a discussion here whether there will be one or two German dates - strange as it seems, I would bet on only one. The 2014 European tour had 2 German shows - 1 stadium show in Dusseldorf and one "small" Waldbuhne show. So if the 2017 tour would have something like 10 dates, I find it very likely Germany will get only one.

But I have no info, it is all just my speculation and what actually surprises me is, that bv lists the Ernest Happel stadium in Vienna as a rumoured venue, since they played there in 2014. I really like it, it would be very convinient for me, but I find it difficult to believe. But I would love it.

Edit: I have realized that the Ernest Happel stadium has been changed to Donauinselfest since I looked at the rumoured dates a couple of hour ago :-) To me personally a festival date appeals way less than a regular gig. Anyway, I am really happy and excited that from how this thread is active, it actually looks like we might get some official news earlier than it has been usual in the last couple of yeras.



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The 14th of july (Nijmegen?) is a friday, not a saturday.

They love doing festivals because:

- The stage is there, no need to build it
- The crowd is "new" and younger fans
- They get to see new places

Glastonbury, Roskilde, Desert Trip, Rock in Rio, ... The list is long, and for this tour, I think it is easier to win the bid if the stage is there, vs the Stones have to build it. That is why Paris and Vienna are competing so we will see what happens with those two, on the same week-end now. One has to go or change.

Bjornulf

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They love doing festivals because:

- The stage is there, no need to build it
- The crowd is "new" and younger fans
- They get to see new places

Glastonbury, Roskilde, Desert Trip, Rock in Rio, ... The list is long, and for this tour, I think it is easier to win the bid if the stage is there, vs the Stones have to build it. That is why Paris and Vienna are competing so we will see what happens with those two, on the same week-end now. One has to go or change.

New places like Munich, Nijmegen, Vienna? Agree with the rest, but I can't see them droppimg Paris for Vienna. I really hope they will not become a festival act at the end, with Angie and LARS every day, they deserve a better end.



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Does anyone have any information about what date the rumoured Barcelona show might fall on?
I am supposed to be in Paris on Friday the 7th July so hoping if the Stones play that weekend it will be Saturday or Sunday.

Thanks

Nate

Sorry Bjornulf, i repeat myself but :

SAT 14 july 2017 is impossible
SAT 15 or FRI 14 would be more possible

Of the potential or rumored cities for this tour, which of those cities have the best fan base. Or put another way, what would be the best places to target seeing the Stones next summer?

Barcelona should be halfway similar to South America.

Yes I've seen the Stones in South America and I've seen a lot of concerts around Europe.Spain is always a great crowd but anywhere you choose you will have a great time.

Nate



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Italy too is a great crowd hot hot hot!!!

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Italy too is a great crowd hot hot hot!!!

Yes I have seen the Stones and Springsteen both at Circus Maximus an amazing venue and both crowds were great.

Nate

Added on the rumour list:
June 3/4 2017 Rock in Vienna at Donauinsel Vienna, Austria

The Vienna date and location has been changed twice during the last day in the "European Tour 2017" section, so we see that things keep on changing and promoters do whatever they can to bring The Stones to Vienna. I am dying to hear something definitive and I hope I won't be in this state for another 4 months :-)

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Added on the rumour list:
June 3/4 2017 Rock in Vienna at Donauinsel Vienna, Austria

Isn't Rock in Vienna more of a metal fest?

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Added on the rumour list:
June 3/4 2017 Rock in Vienna at Donauinsel Vienna, Austria

Isn't Rock in Vienna more of a metal fest?

The line-up in 2016: RIV 2016

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Added on the rumour list:
June 3/4 2017 Rock in Vienna at Donauinsel Vienna, Austria

Isn't Rock in Vienna more of a metal fest?

The line-up in 2016: RIV 2016

That's something for drunk AC/DC fans. Can't believe there are negotiations with the Stones... Things like that happened at the Lausitzring/Eurospeedway near Dresden in the past, that would be a venue for me, though.



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That's something for drunk AC/DC fans.

Äh, nein, zumindest nicht für mich.



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Rock in Vienna 2016 layout: RIV layout

Any rumours on London or Knebworth we have been waiting since 2013

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That's something for drunk AC/DC fans.

Äh, nein, zumindest nicht für mich.

Gut, ich will damit nicht gesagt haben, dass alle Fans von AC/DC usw. saufen oder blöd sind. Aber mein Fall ist so etwas nicht - und ein solches Umfeld passt nicht zu einem Stones Konzert. Ich hoffe, die Jungs wollen sich nicht auf der letzten Tour vor Halbfans lächerlich machen, die 98 % Superhits hören wollen.



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That's something for drunk AC/DC fans.

Äh, nein, zumindest nicht für mich.

Gut, ich will damit nicht gesagt haben, dass alle Fans von AC/DC usw. saufen oder
blöd sind. Aber mein Fall ist so etwas nicht - und ein solches Umfeld passt
nicht zu einem Stones Konzert. Ich hoffe, die Jungs wollen sich nicht auf der
letzten Tour vor Halbfans lächerlich machen, die 98 % Superhits hören wollen.

Jetzt bin ich bei dir!

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Things like that happened at the Lausitzring/Eurospeedway near Dresden in the past, that would be a venue for me, though.

I don't think that the Stones will ever play in the "Armenhaus Deutschlands" (Germany's poorhouse) ....

I also don't think that they'll play in Dresden or Erfurt -- Prague is just too close.

With no show in Denmkark it's Hamburgs turn.

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Things like that happened at the Lausitzring/Eurospeedway near Dresden in the past, that would be a venue for me, though.

I don't think that the Stones will ever play in the "Armenhaus Deutschlands" (Germany's poorhouse) ....

I also don't think that they'll play in Dresden or Erfurt -- Prague is just too close.

They were three times in Leipzig and the shows sold much better than many West German shows 1999-2007. The West German tour 2007 was a financial desaster for the promotors. If they had chosen Erfurt, the stadium would have been sold out.

There are very few places in Germany were they still can sell 70.000 tickets at high prices. One of them is Munich, one is Dresden (and there are 3-4 more). The area has a relative rich population (richer than in the Ruhr area, where they played three or four times since 1990) and the Stones have never been closer than more than 100 km to Dresden, which means there are many, many people who would actually buying tickets. There us a big demand. Look at Austin or Regina 2006 to see how good Stones tickets sell in "new" towns. They even earned money in very poor countries like Peru and Bolivia. same for Lausitzring 40 km north (which is also not very far from Berlin). If Prague (and Berlin) does not happen, a show in Saxony is possible (but not very likely, I know). And Prague will probably not happen, because Brno 2007 was also selling very poorly.



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I also don't think that they'll play in Dresden or Erfurt -- Prague is just too close.

I don't believe they will play Prague anymore. They have pleyed there several times before, but Vaclav Havel was a big part of the reason they played there. It is true that Dresden is close to Prague, but it is still Germany, while Prague is not and it means very different ticket pricing.

Anyway, as I wrote above, I believe thet Germeny might get only one concert and in that case I don't believe places like Dresden or Erfurt might get even considered.

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Added on the rumour list:
June 3/4 2017 Rock in Vienna at Donauinsel Vienna, Austria

Isn't Rock in Vienna more of a metal fest?

The line-up in 2016: RIV 2016

Wow, after seeing the 2016 lineup I really hope they don't play there. If they do, I might skip it, even if it was my last chance to see them. But nothing is set, also the date is at the beginning of June and the span between 3/6-14/7 doesn't go well along with the rumours of a 4-5 week tour.