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Aerosmith are clones?
This is funny, really.
I don't think that the term Clones is the right one.
Outside of NYC who cares though? I liked the Dolls but what did they have like 2 albums? They weren't really groundbreaking. Stones, Stooges, Bowie, Alice Cooper all came before. Just MHO, don't be offended. I have this discussion about NYC all the time in relation to the f@#&ing Yankees. The rest of the country could care less. Peace.
As far as what?
well outside of NYC who cares or matters anyway?
Which is quite obvious if you listen to music.
As far as rock 'n' roll albums go. I'm with Dan. And as much as I was initially skeptical about the reunion that began in '04 (how could there be no Thunders or Nolan?) I ended up seeing 'em four times and it was insanely great every time.
Steven Tyler says that. Visually they were obviously more than inspired by the Stones. They also did Walking The Dog on their first album.
Visually, I always felt that Aerosmith were very influenced by the Stones appearance in 72-75 era; they always reminded me of the way the Stones looked on the 75 tour.
In their first album you can listen to more influence of the Aerosmith.
I think that Movin'Out has got something of Captain Beefheart.
Sorry for the OT.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-04-17 18:15 by pepganzo.
I agree wholeheartedly with both these observations.
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Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
rodes
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Date: April 16, 2016 18:16
David Johansen and Johnny Thunders clones?
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
TooTough
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Date: April 16, 2016 19:05
Who´s cloning best?
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
HonkeyTonkFlash
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Date: April 16, 2016 19:17
Obviously, the Stones came first. The Dolls as well as Tyler & Perry seemed to be copying the Stones' mid seventies image.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
dmay
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Date: April 16, 2016 19:28
Is this a trick question?
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
Rip This
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Date: April 16, 2016 20:41
the Dolls were a phenomenal local band that personified NYC downtown culture and eccentricity....they were the Bowery and Soho and West Village and Tribeca all rolled up into one with make up and glitter ...awesome.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
RockinJive
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Date: April 16, 2016 20:44
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the Dolls were a phenomenal local band that personified NYC downtown culture and eccentricity....they were the Bowery and Soho and West Village and Tribeca all rolled up into one with make up and glitter ...awesome.[/quote
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Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
pepganzo
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Date: April 16, 2016 20:55
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TooTough
Who´s cloning best?
Aerosmith are clones?
This is funny, really.
I don't think that the term Clones is the right one.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
crholmstrom
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Date: April 16, 2016 21:28
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the Dolls were a phenomenal local band that personified NYC downtown culture and eccentricity....they were the Bowery and Soho and West Village and Tribeca all rolled up into one with make up and glitter ...awesome.
Outside of NYC who cares though? I liked the Dolls but what did they have like 2 albums? They weren't really groundbreaking. Stones, Stooges, Bowie, Alice Cooper all came before. Just MHO, don't be offended. I have this discussion about NYC all the time in relation to the f@#&ing Yankees. The rest of the country could care less. Peace.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
Title5Take1
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Date: April 16, 2016 22:49
"Ugh, the New York Dolls! What a load of rubbish!" — Mick (interviewed by Nick Kent).
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
PhillyFAN
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Date: April 16, 2016 22:56
The Dolls were just before punk, glam rock,and heavy metal took off. They are a really hot band that I got to see in Philly in 72 at the Merriam theatre. They let fans stand in the wings of the stage as they really rocked out. The Dolls had punk swagger and attitude except they did it in really tight women's clothes. When they came on the scene they were a breath of fresh air playing real rock and roll, which many bands at that time were doing standard rock songs with long guitar solos. The original band members with the exception of David Johannsen and Sylvan all died, mostly overdosing. They reformed again in 2004 and released three more studio albums that were really good in addition to worldwide touring.Were the same bog time as the Stones? No way. Morrisey put them in a festival show and that's when they reformed. Not sure of they are doing anything now but they were q major influence in the NYC underground that achieved some recognition. There was also a big rivalry between them and the Sex Pistols.Many folks don't know or remember them but many of us do.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
stargroover
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Date: April 16, 2016 23:08
Ok lets compare caviar to dog meat.What a pointless post.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
Dan
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Date: April 16, 2016 23:36
The New York Dolls debut is one of the most perfect albums ever laid down.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
RockinJive
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Date: April 17, 2016 00:03
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Dan
The New York Dolls debut is one of the most perfect albums ever laid down.
As far as what?
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
latebloomer
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Date: April 17, 2016 00:11
They had broken up by the time I discovered them, but I came to love their first album, used to play it on my overnight college radio shift. It helped keep me awake and earned me a nickname. 
As for influence, if you believe Wikipedia:
"According to the Encyclopedia of Popular Music (1995), the New York Dolls predated the punk and glam metal movements, and were "one of the most influential rock bands of the last 20 years".[3] They influenced rock groups such as the Sex Pistols, Kiss, the Ramones, Guns N' Roses, the Damned, and The Smiths..."
As for influence, if you believe Wikipedia:
"According to the Encyclopedia of Popular Music (1995), the New York Dolls predated the punk and glam metal movements, and were "one of the most influential rock bands of the last 20 years".[3] They influenced rock groups such as the Sex Pistols, Kiss, the Ramones, Guns N' Roses, the Damned, and The Smiths..."
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: April 17, 2016 00:37
Thunders trying to be Keef is one of the saddest comedies one could ever watch ....
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
Rip This
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Date: April 17, 2016 00:47
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the Dolls were a phenomenal local band that personified NYC downtown culture and eccentricity....they were the Bowery and Soho and West Village and Tribeca all rolled up into one with make up and glitter ...awesome.
Outside of NYC who cares though? I liked the Dolls but what did they have like 2 albums? They weren't really groundbreaking. Stones, Stooges, Bowie, Alice Cooper all came before. Just MHO, don't be offended. I have this discussion about NYC all the time in relation to the f@#&ing Yankees. The rest of the country could care less. Peace.
well outside of NYC who cares or matters anyway?
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: April 17, 2016 01:35
Love the Dolls. They were pure to the point of self sabotage. I think that is why they didn't get big - they were their own worst enemy.
And there was no rivalry between Sex Pistols and Dolls; they didn't even cross each other's path. Dolls were already done in '75, when Pistols had yet to be born.
Aerosmith and Dolls rocked side by side in late 70's. But I have always heard they were good friends, and respected each other. The Mick/Keith thing...I think the Stones were just the first. Thing is it is part of rock'n roll hard-wiring; it's like an archetype - one must have these parts in place to become a true rockin bad boy band of rebels and never-do-wells.
And there was no rivalry between Sex Pistols and Dolls; they didn't even cross each other's path. Dolls were already done in '75, when Pistols had yet to be born.
Aerosmith and Dolls rocked side by side in late 70's. But I have always heard they were good friends, and respected each other. The Mick/Keith thing...I think the Stones were just the first. Thing is it is part of rock'n roll hard-wiring; it's like an archetype - one must have these parts in place to become a true rockin bad boy band of rebels and never-do-wells.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
boogaloojef
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Date: April 17, 2016 06:01
Aerosmith says they were more influenced by the Yardbirds than the Rolling Stones.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
Dan
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Date: April 17, 2016 06:12
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boogaloojef
Aerosmith says they were more influenced by the Yardbirds than the Rolling Stones.
Which is quite obvious if you listen to music.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
andrewm
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Date: April 17, 2016 10:31
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RockinJiveQuote
Dan
The New York Dolls debut is one of the most perfect albums ever laid down.
As far as what?
As far as rock 'n' roll albums go. I'm with Dan. And as much as I was initially skeptical about the reunion that began in '04 (how could there be no Thunders or Nolan?) I ended up seeing 'em four times and it was insanely great every time.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
pepganzo
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Date: April 17, 2016 12:06
Quote
DanQuote
boogaloojef
Aerosmith says they were more influenced by the Yardbirds than the Rolling Stones.
Which is quite obvious if you listen to music.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: April 17, 2016 14:30
Quote
boogaloojef
Aerosmith says they were more influenced by the Yardbirds than the Rolling Stones.
Steven Tyler says that. Visually they were obviously more than inspired by the Stones. They also did Walking The Dog on their first album.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
HonkeyTonkFlash
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Date: April 17, 2016 17:33
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
boogaloojef
Aerosmith says they were more influenced by the Yardbirds than the Rolling Stones.
Steven Tyler says that. Visually they were obviously more than inspired by the Stones. They also did Walking The Dog on their first album.
Visually, I always felt that Aerosmith were very influenced by the Stones appearance in 72-75 era; they always reminded me of the way the Stones looked on the 75 tour.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
pepganzo
()
Date: April 17, 2016 18:14
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
boogaloojef
Aerosmith says they were more influenced by the Yardbirds than the Rolling Stones.
Steven Tyler says that. Visually they were obviously more than inspired by the Stones. They also did Walking The Dog on their first album.
In their first album you can listen to more influence of the Aerosmith.
I think that Movin'Out has got something of Captain Beefheart.
Sorry for the OT.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-04-17 18:15 by pepganzo.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
exhpart
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Date: April 17, 2016 21:57
Love Johnny Thunders esp So Alone solo album ...still gets played now and again. New York Doll too
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: April 17, 2016 22:04
Bizarrely - or, perhaps not -, The New York Dolls were Morrissey's absolute favourite. In fact, he even ran a U.K.-based fan-club and would write numerous letters to the New Musical Express paper, proclaiming his own fandom and their greatness.
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
dcba
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Date: April 17, 2016 22:49
Jerry Nolan was a wonderful drummer with a unique sense of groove. He really flourished with the "Heartbreakers". Any live document from 78-79 is worth your attention...
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: April 18, 2016 03:46
There is something about those left handed drummers...Quote
dcba
Jerry Nolan was a wonderful drummer with a unique sense of groove. He really flourished with the "Heartbreakers". Any live document from 78-79 is worth your attention...
Re: Stones versus New York Dolls.
Posted by:
andrewm
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Date: April 18, 2016 04:48
Quote
Palace Revolution 2000There is something about those left handed drummers...Quote
dcba
Jerry Nolan was a wonderful drummer with a unique sense of groove. He really flourished with the "Heartbreakers". Any live document from 78-79 is worth your attention...
I agree wholeheartedly with both these observations.
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