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DGA35
I love the Sucking In The 70's live version which I believe comes from Oshawa 79?
Detroit 1978.
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Rocky Dijon
Oh the outrage. Next they'll be telling us Mick Jagger wrote a song about a gay hustler who fancies a policeman or a song about a plantation owner preferring sex with his slaves or, even worse, songs about enjoying bondage. Will wonders never cease? Thank goodness they're nice and safe and offend no one in 2022 or we wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
The warning on the Beatles' Get Back film that it contained "smoking" says it all about today's audience.
That said, I always wished that "When The Whip Comes Down" had a bigger sound. It just seems a little thin to me. I like the lean, mean sound of the rest of the album, but "Whip" cries out for a huge wave of sound, like "Gimme Shelter."
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DandelionPowderman
ER and TY weren't outtakes.
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VoodooLounge13
I was gay in New York
Just a fag in L.A.
.........not exactly PC lyrics for today's concert-goer.
I echo your sentiments, Professor, in regards to the boys' entire catalog!!!! If a book offends, don't read it. If a song offends, don't listen to it. If a painting offends, don't look at it. But for God's sake, don't censor art because it offends!!! That's often the point in the first place.
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VoodooLounge13
I was gay in New York
Just a fag in L.A.
.........not exactly PC lyrics for today's concert-goer.
I echo your sentiments, Professor, in regards to the boys' entire catalog!!!! If a book offends, don't read it. If a song offends, don't listen to it. If a painting offends, don't look at it. But for God's sake, don't censor art because it offends!!! That's often the point in the first place.
right but that line is a accurate expression of how gay and trans people outside of ny felt at the time about ny being a place they could be themselves and not fear being spit on, verbally assaulted or even killed
then they got there and found out that "wherever i go they treat me the same"
to not sing that line (as mick hasn't for a long time) robs the song of a important point that he's trying to make
its clear to me that mick wrote this song from a place of understanding and empathy for his gay friends in ny and not to mock or humiliate them as many of his contemporaries at the time likely would have when writing a song like this
we should applaud him for showing some decency towards his fellow man and not let criticizing him for using a no-no word overshadow the larger importance of what the song represents
as far as the importance of a artist right to freedom of expression i agree and believe it's a very important thing and should be robustly defended (within reason)
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VoodooLounge13
If a book offends, don't read it. If a song offends, don't listen to it. If a painting offends, don't look at it.
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I wasn't implying that Mick was being derogatory. Simply saying that it's one of several songs I don't think we'll hear anymore as the boys self-police and whitewash their live catalog for these times. It's unfortunate really.
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VoodooLounge13
If a book offends, don't read it. If a song offends, don't listen to it. If a painting offends, don't look at it.
I'd say the opposite :watch it, read it, listen to it.
That's how you grow up.
Avoiding offensive works of art is childish : it's behaving like the 4yo kid who doesn't dare open the cupboard because "there are monsters inside!"
Back to topic : nobody mentioned yet the 77/78 10-minute outtake that's glorious!?
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VoodooLounge13
I wasn't implying that Mick was being derogatory. Simply saying that it's one of several songs I don't think we'll hear anymore as the boys self-police and whitewash their live catalog for these times. It's unfortunate really.
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dcba
Back to topic : nobody mentioned yet the 77/78 10-minute outtake that's glorious!?
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Mathijs
Focusing on Richard's rhythm guitar is hypnotic, amazing how much he can do with just an A and D chord.
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