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exilestonesJim Carroll, Poet and Punk Rocker Wrote ‘The Basketball Diaries.’Keith jams with Jim Carroll Band on "People Who Died."
The Jim Carroll Band "People Who Died"
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Artist: The Jim Carroll Band
Album: Catholic Boy
Released: 1980
Lyrics
Teddy sniffing glue he was 12 years old
Fell from the roof on East Two-nine
Cathy was 11 when she pulled the plug
On 26 reds and a bottle of wine
Bobby got leukemia, 14 years old
He looked like 65 when he died
He was a friend of mine
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
They were all my friends, and they died
G-berg and Georgie let their gimmicks go rotten
So they died of hepatitis in upper Manhattan
Sly in Vietnam took a bullet in the head
Bobby OD'd on Drano on the night that he was wed
They were two more friends of mine
Two more friends that died / I miss 'em--they died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
They were all my friends, and they died
Mary took a dry dive from a hotel room
Bobby hung himself from a cell in the tombs
Judy jumped in front of a subway train
Eddie got slit in the jugular vein
And Eddie, I miss you more than all the others,
And I salute you brother/ This song is for you my brother
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
They were all my friends, and they died
Herbie pushed Tony from the Boys' Club roof
Tony thought that his rage was just some goof
But Herbie sure gave Tony some bitchen proof
"Hey, " Herbie said, "Tony, can you fly?"
But Tony couldn't fly, Tony died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
They were all my friends, and they died
Brian got busted on a narco rap
He beat the rap by rattin' on some bikers
He said, hey, I know it's dangerous,
But it sure beats Riker's
But the next day he got offed
By the very same bikers
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
Those are people who died, died
They were all my friends, and they died
Songwriters: Brian Ladd Linsley / Jim Dennis Carroll / Steve Linsley / Terrell Winn / Wayne Woods
People Who Died lyrics © Len Freedman Music Inc.
The Basketball Diaries Movie
VIDEO TRAILER: [www.youtube.com]
Basketball Diaries - the story of Jim Carroll, a New York Legend
Rolling Stones songs are in the movie soundtrack
VIDEO FULL MOVIE: [www.youtube.com]
Jim Carroll's Basketball Diaries Blamed for School Shooting: [www.youtube.com]
It's Too Late - The Jim Carroll Band
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photos by Lynn Goldsmith 1981
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stanlove
I can't believe it. I heard that song on the radio many years ago and really liked it and tried to find it but gave up. Thanks
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NEW YORK CITY
Update with Bill German
Lil Wenglass Green & Keith Richards – 1981
More of Keith and Lil Wenglass (1978-1981): [groupieblog.wordpress.com]
I wrote to Bill German and asked him if he was in the above photo. He wrote,
"As much as that guy in the background resembles me, and as much as that seems
like the exact type of situation I'd have been in back then (especially if it
was taken at the Ritz nightclub in NYC), I'm 90% certain it isn't actually me.
Same hair, same height, but I must've had a doppelganger.
It does appear to be the Ritz, which is a place Keith visited often. (Now I'm
trying to remember what the upstairs wallpaper looked like!) However, if it's
Lil he's with (meaning, the pre-Patti era), then I have my doubts, as the Ritz
didn't open till May 1980.
I'm pretty certain that the guy applauding nearby (wearing the wristwatch) is
the late Larry Sessler (son of Freddy). But right now, that's the most
definitive thing I can offer about this photo.
I wish I had more to tell you about it. I'll put my thinking cap on and,
maybe, after some Sherlock Holmes deductive reasoning, I can come up with
something more.
Till then, all the best.
Bill"
In a second email Bill German wrote, "it's definitely plausible that Keith
and Lil remained friends, even after he began seeing Patti. (In fact, I'm
pretty sure they did.) So, if someone says it was taken in 1981, I'll go back
to my original hunch and say it's the Ritz. I can't pinpoint the exact date
just from looking at the photo, but, if I search through some of my old
Beggars Banquet issues from the time, I can probably narrow it down.
Keep up the good work!
Bill"
Bill wrote, "The new photo you sent me (above) is an easy one. Based on the look of the table (no
joke!) and on what Keith is wearing, I'm 99.9% certain that it was taken on
6/26/80 at Trax, during the Jim Carrroll show (where Keith got up to jam on
the song "People Who Died").
To the left of the photo, you can see half of
Freddy Sessler's smiling face, and the guy with the beard & glasses is Stones
PR man Paul Wasserman. That might be Jane Rose seated next to Keith, but,
with the bottle blocking her face, it's hard to tell. Love Patti in this one!
(And fyi: Keith spent some time with Anita Pallenberg at this show.)
As for the first photo you sent me (top photo), yes, it's definitely plausible that Keith
and Lil remained friends, even after he began seeing Patti. (In fact, I'm
pretty sure they did.) So, if someone says it was taken in 1981, I'll go back
to my original hunch and say it's the Ritz. I can't pinpoint the exact date
just from looking at the photo, but, if I search through some of my old
Beggars Banquet issues from the time, I can probably narrow it down.
Keep up the good work!
Bill
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"Hilarious and sometimes heartbreaking." -- Rolling Stone magazine
"Memorable details from the [Stones'] inner sanctum." -- The New York Times
"[German's] proximity to the band makes this an essential Stones book, while his engaging writing style will appeal to non-fanatics as well." -- Newark Star-Ledger
"This book is absolutely great ... possibly the best book I've read about the Rolling Stones." -- Andrew Loog Oldham
"Impossible to put down ... filled with priceless, often laugh-out-loud anecdotes. Under Their Thumb is a cautionary tale, but a hugely entertaining one." -- Montreal Gazette
Bill German and The Rolling Stones guitarist, Ronnie Wood
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For Rolling Stones fans who aren't familiar with Bill German, he is a big time Rolling Stones fan
who started as a kid in high school writing about his favorite band the "Rolling Stones." Eventually he
made many friends from James Karnbach to Keith Richards and his fanzine "Beggars Banquet" became the
official fanzine of the Rolling Stones which if I
remember correctly was advertised in an official Rolling Stones album.
Bill German was inside the Stones camp during the Tattoo You Era
I remember that I couldn't get enough of Bill's Beggar's Banquet! It would come to my post office box and everything
would stop until I finished reading Beggars Banquet fanzine until the end. Then I'd go home and read it again! Bill
always had the inside scoop.
Here's a guy who was in Mick's place, hung out with Ron and Keith and was welcomed to many Stones and solo events.
He earned his way and worked hard. It wasn't all glory and parties.
The one thing that stuck-out in my mind and I know to be true from when I covered the Stones was, no matter how
connected someone was and what job they were doing, they had the work hard to
get the info and the invites. You'd think the Stones would notify their official fanzine?
Bill German wrote a book that was even more fascinating than his great fanzine, called "Under Their Thumb." I'm not
much of a book reader but like Bill's fanzine, I couldn't put it down! People would say, Are you ever going to put
that book down?" Then I'd read some thing laugh or say, "Unbelievable, oh my goodness!"
I called my Stones friends who seemed interested in the book but didn't seem as enthusiastic as I was about "Under Their Thumb."
Then they started to read it. The phone calls poured in, "How about the part where Mick said to Bill,,,,"
You got to get this book and imagine that you are in Bill's shoes or along for the adventure!
ExileStones
Here's Keith in New York City on the cover of
Bill German's "Under Their Thumb" with
Bill German in the background.
"The epic tale of an obsessive teenager who launched a Rolling Stones fanzine and spent the next two decades capturing the band’s whirlwind metamorphosis from behind the scenes….First-rate, firsthand account of the world’s greatest rock ’n’ roll band, and a disenchanted chronicle of its increasingly crass commercialization."
- Kirkus Reviews
As a teenager, Bill German knew exactly what he wanted to do with his life: chronicle the career and adventures of his favorite rock band, the Rolling Stones. And in 1978, on his sixteenth birthday, he set out to make his dream a reality. Feverishly typed in his Brooklyn bedroom, and surreptitiously printed in his high school’s mimeograph room German’s Stones-only newsletter, Beggars Banquet, was born. His teachers discouraged it, his parents dismissed it as a phase, and his disco-loving classmates preferred the Bee Gees, but, for German, this primitive, pre-Internet fanzine was a labor of love. And a fateful encounter with his idols on the streets of New York soon proved his efforts weren’t in vain.
Impressed with Beggars Banquet, the Stones gave the ’zine instant cred on the rock scene by singing its praises–and by inviting German to hang with the band. At first a fish out of water in the company of rock royalty, German found himself spilling orange juice on a priceless rug in Mick Jagger’s house and getting pegged as a narc by pals of Keith Richards and Ron Wood. But before long he became a familiar fixture in the inner sanctum, not just reporting Stones stories but living them. He was a player in the Mick-versus-Keith feud and was an eyewitness to Keith’s midlife crisis and Ron’s overindulgences. He even had a reluctant role in covering up Mick’s peccadilloes. “In the span of a few months,” German recalls, “I’d gone from wanting to know everything about my favorite rock stars to knowing too much.”
In this warts-and-all book, which includes many never-before-seen photographs, German takes us to the Stones’ homes, recording sessions, and concerts around the world. He charts the band’s rocky path from the unthinkable depths of a near breakup to the obscenely lucrative heights of their blockbuster tours. And ultimately, German reveals why his childhood dream come true became a passion he finally had to part with.
Under Their Thumb is an up-close and extremely personal dispatch from the amazing, exclusive world of the Rolling Stones, by someone who was lucky enough to live it–and sober enough to remember it all
More on Bill German's "Under Their Thumb": [www.amazon.com]
Bill German and Keith Richards look over German’s newsletter, Beggars Banquet, February 1984.
Credit Chuck Pulin; From “Under Their Thumb”
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gypsy18
That’s my photo of Lil Wergilis and Keith from 1981. Lil and Keith are still friends, and she is also friends with Marlon and Angela on social media. I found a bunch of old modeling photos of her a few years ago, and we corresponded for a bit. She’s a little tired-looking nowadays. Hasn’t aged badly, but hasn’t aged well either.
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Shawn20
I actually found myself in the Orlando photo in the top right corner. WOW! Great memories indeed!
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john r
AT LAST...words from Mr Sonny Rollins, Himself:
"'Mick Jagger and a British film maker who had made a documentary about me in the '50s, came to see me play... I didn't know how it happened, but a little later I got a call from the Rolling Stones asking me to be on their new album.
Charlie Watts is a big jazz fan, and I think it was him who was behind this....
I was supposed to get together with Mick in the studio [in New York], but...I had a hard time finding the studio. I hate being late to anything, and I'm usually not. This time I was late, but not purposely. Mick seemed to feel I was dissing him. But it was completely inadvertant...I thought [my work with the Stones] came out very well. I was completely into what they were doing... And it was a very successful record...'
Sonny obviously understood what the Stones required of him and his improvisations fit in perfectly. The blues are at the roots of the Stones music, and Sonny has always exhibited a deep understanding of blues...Some of his greatest and most important improvisations on record were blues performances, such as 'Blue Seven' and 'Blues For Philly Joe'..."
That's from the book "Open Sky: Sonny Rollins and his World Of Improvisation" by Eris Nisenson (forward by Rollins)
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NEIGHBOURS
Written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, "Neighbours" is notable as being one of two songs from Tattoo You which isn't an outtake from earlier recording sessions.
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Written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, "Neighbours" is notable as being one of two songs from Tattoo You which isn't an outtake from earlier recording sessions.
Which is not true, of course. It, and Heaven, were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE in 1979.
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NEIGHBOURS Written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, "Neighbours" is notable as being one of two songs from Tattoo You which isn't an outtake from earlier recording sessions.
Which is not true, of course. It, and Heaven, were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE in 1979.
Thanks for the info and thanks for not posting the whole post!
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NEIGHBOURS Written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, "Neighbours" is notable as being one of two songs from Tattoo You which isn't an outtake from earlier recording sessions.
Which is not true, of course. It, and Heaven, were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE in 1979.
Thanks for the info and thanks for not posting the whole post!
If there was a way to shrink some of these pictures that turn out huge when posting them I would've done that as well! Quoting the whole thing, yeah, too much. Just get to the point!
Let’s Spend the Night Together, directed by Hal Ashby and Pablo Ferro was the creative consultant.
Hal Ashby’s cameo appears during these lyrics: ‘Nobody will know, when you’re old. When you’re old, nobody will know.’
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tomk
Always wondered why they had the really thin guitar cables for the wireless.
by Jeff Stafford