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I was thinking that as well, but wasn't the massive world tour the bigger deal than the album itself?Quote
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keefriff99I think a classic also has to have some degree of cultural impact. It has to capture a zeitgeist of the moment, which Tattoo You just managed to do (mostly with Start Me Up and the Waiting on a Friend video)...plus the tour was a MAJOR worldwide event.Quote
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OK, let's set out the criteria for a classic.
For me that means just about every song being great. No passengers, no filler, no noodling, no jams.
So with that in mind, it's got to be Tattoo You. Nothing since then scores a 10/10. Undercover was a high water mark, Steel Wheels nudges a decent 7/10 but it's basically diminishing returns since then.
Nothing since has managed to do that. Plenty of great songs and good albums since, but mostly just used as an excuse to tour.
Tattoo You is the only logical answer.
Funnily enough when looking back, Steel Wheels also fits that 'zeitgeist' criteria...massive excitement, top 10 single, huge tour, the 3d Glasses from 7/11 for TV broadcast thang. It was all pretty huge. Too bad the album itself was overproduced with a few duds. 7/10.
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keefriff99I think a classic also has to have some degree of cultural impact. It has to capture a zeitgeist of the moment, which Tattoo You just managed to do (mostly with Start Me Up and the Waiting on a Friend video)...plus the tour was a MAJOR worldwide event.Quote
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OK, let's set out the criteria for a classic.
For me that means just about every song being great. No passengers, no filler, no noodling, no jams.
So with that in mind, it's got to be Tattoo You. Nothing since then scores a 10/10. Undercover was a high water mark, Steel Wheels nudges a decent 7/10 but it's basically diminishing returns since then.
Nothing since has managed to do that. Plenty of great songs and good albums since, but mostly just used as an excuse to tour.
Tattoo You is the only logical answer.
Funnily enough when looking back, Steel Wheels also fits that 'zeitgeist' criteria...massive excitement, top 10 single, huge tour, the 3d Glasses from 7/11 for TV broadcast thang. It was all pretty huge. Too bad the album itself was overproduced with a few duds. 7/10.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. I'm too young to remember how the public reacted to Steel Wheels, but after looking at all the archive footage and news releases of the day, the big story appeared to be, "STONES TOURING THE WORLD" and not, "STONES RELEASE GREAT NEW ALBUM".Quote
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keefriff99I think a classic also has to have some degree of cultural impact. It has to capture a zeitgeist of the moment, which Tattoo You just managed to do (mostly with Start Me Up and the Waiting on a Friend video)...plus the tour was a MAJOR worldwide event.Quote
Silver Dagger
OK, let's set out the criteria for a classic.
For me that means just about every song being great. No passengers, no filler, no noodling, no jams.
So with that in mind, it's got to be Tattoo You. Nothing since then scores a 10/10. Undercover was a high water mark, Steel Wheels nudges a decent 7/10 but it's basically diminishing returns since then.
Nothing since has managed to do that. Plenty of great songs and good albums since, but mostly just used as an excuse to tour.
Tattoo You is the only logical answer.
Funnily enough when looking back, Steel Wheels also fits that 'zeitgeist' criteria...massive excitement, top 10 single, huge tour, the 3d Glasses from 7/11 for TV broadcast thang. It was all pretty huge. Too bad the album itself was overproduced with a few duds. 7/10.
I'm not sure if you were trying to say it or not, but I don't think Steel Wheels generated nearly the excitement of Tattoo You. The Stones being back together and touring, however, did. They were on the cover of time magazine!
Tattoo You was huge because of Tattoo You - the album was a monster hit; Steel Wheels not so much, even at the time. Mixed Emotions faded fast, Start Me Up was in regular radio rotation for years.
I love B2B, they are a lot of really good tunes on there but it is not the same as UNDERCOVER and previous studio albums.Also i have to mention Voodoo lounge as a good later day Stones album but unlike the really creative and very fertile songwriting from Undercover and before .Quote
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Undercover is the last great one where the Glimmers cared enough to fight about it !
Have you forgotten about the making of B2B?
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TheGreekI love B2B, they are a lot of really good tunes on there but it is not the same as UNDERCOVER and previous studio albums.Also i have to mention Voodoo lounge as a good later day Stones album but unlike the really creative and very fertile songwriting from Undercover and before .Quote
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Undercover is the last great one where the Glimmers cared enough to fight about it !
Have you forgotten about the making of B2B?
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The big 4 come first in terms of greatness, the order can be flexible. Then comes Some Girls. That is the last great one!
There are many other very good ones but for me it is those 5 and then the rest.
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The big 4 come first in terms of greatness, the order can be flexible. Then comes Some Girls. That is the last great one!
There are many other very good ones but for me it is those 5 and then the rest.
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Exile.
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His Majesty
Exile.
As much as I love SG, TY I agree with that. Some post Exile albums might be classic for Stones fans but not for the wider audience. Crosseyed Heart - a classic album? Seriously?
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Exile.
As much as I love SG, TY I agree with that. Some post Exile albums might be classic for Stones fans but not for the wider audience. Crosseyed Heart - a classic album? Seriously?
It's not even a classic Keith Richards album!
OK, that would be impossible for me to even know as I haven't listened to it. Getting it from Amazon later this week.
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His Majesty
Exile.
As much as I love SG, TY I agree with that. Some post Exile albums might be classic for Stones fans but not for the wider audience. Crosseyed Heart - a classic album? Seriously?
It's not even a classic Keith Richards album!
OK, that would be impossible for me to even know as I haven't listened to it. Getting it from Amazon later this week.
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I don't think a "classic" album needs to be an album where every song is a masterpiece. Some songs simply function as connective tissue that, when taken as a whole, constitutes a classic.
Take Let It Bleed or Exile as examples: Country Honk? Turd on the Run?
I don't think either song qualifies as classic, BUT they enhance the albums overall. The only way a song detracts is if its an utter embarrassment that blights the rest of the album.
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His Majesty
Exile.
As much as I love SG, TY I agree with that. Some post Exile albums might be classic for Stones fans but not for the wider audience. Crosseyed Heart - a classic album? Seriously?
It's not even a classic Keith Richards album!
OK, that would be impossible for me to even know as I haven't listened to it. Getting it from Amazon later this week.
we're awaiting your superheavy vs crosseyed heart album death match sometime in the middle of this week in that case.. best not to wait until you listen to the album ;-)
I don't mean THAT song specifically...I was just using it as an example.Quote
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I don't think a "classic" album needs to be an album where every song is a masterpiece. Some songs simply function as connective tissue that, when taken as a whole, constitutes a classic.
Take Let It Bleed or Exile as examples: Country Honk? Turd on the Run?
I don't think either song qualifies as classic, BUT they enhance the albums overall. The only way a song detracts is if its an utter embarrassment that blights the rest of the album.
Hey now, "Turd on the Run" is a masterpiece!