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HMS
They would have ended up sounding like THE ROLLING STONES. At the end it´s all Keith n Mick. Another drummer, bass player, guitarplayer would have only slightly affected the sound of the band. The songs would have been the same anyway, since they are all written by Jagger/Richards.
I dont know why some people constantly underrate Jagger/Richards as a creative working unit and overrate the contributions of soldiers like MT, Bill or Charlie. Ian Stewart is completely right. It´s Keith´s riffs and Mick´s trademark voice that are the essence of the Stones-sound, certainly not the way Charlie bangs his drums. And Bill Wyman isn´t even featured on a lot of Stones-tracks. To compare the Stones with losers like The Pretty Things is very offensive. A team like Jagger/Richards with their songwriting qualities and their personal charisma never had met the fate of the countless R n B-bands of the 60s. Most of them are all long gone and forgotten, because they simply weren´t talented enough to create a style of their own like Jagger/Richards did. Would you dare to say the Beatles would have ended up like countless anonymous Beat-bands without Ringo banging the drums?
Change one thing and all that follows changes.
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Yeah, no kidding.. not least, to imagine NO Brian Jones up on stage with Mick and Keith at the very start. That begins to change the dynamics immediately...not just musically, but behind the scenes (who does Keith room with in that coldest of winters?), and image-wise on stage - does the frenzy still start? Is it as intense?
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Yeah, no kidding.. not least, to imagine NO Brian Jones up on stage with Mick and Keith at the very start. That begins to change the dynamics immediately...not just musically, but behind the scenes (who does Keith room with in that coldest of winters?), and image-wise on stage - does the frenzy still start? Is it as intense?
If there had never been a Brian Jones, then there would have been another guy with strange hairdo on stage, maybe he would have played the guitar even better, who knows. It doesn´t matter really.
Brian or no Brian, people would have gone nuts anyway as long as there would have been a Mick Jagger onstage. It was Keith and Mick as a powerful team who turned a R n B-coverband into the greatest Rock n Roll Band in the world. The sidemen (I prefer the term *soldier*) have little if anything to do with the development of the band. If Brian would have stayed healthy and alive, he would have left the Stones anyway. In this band is only room for two generals and Brian would have never been satisfied being only a soldier. Bill and Charlie on the other hand would have never had a career as musicians without Mick and Keith as bandmates. Even today Charlie can hardly believe what miracle happened to him back then. Without Mick and Keith he would now be a jazzplayer in small clubs, struggling very hard to make a living. He is very aware of the fact that he would be nothing without Keith n Mick. That´s why he stands so loyal to the band.
Anyway, we would have all the wonderful music even if the soldiers weren´t Jack and Joe but Jim and Jeff. In the end it´s all Keith, Keith, Keith and Mick, Mick, Mick.
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Turner68
In reality, the Stones did not continue without Wyman. Sure, they kept the name, but it was never really the Rolling Stones after Wyman left.
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In reality, the Stones did not continue without Wyman. Sure, they kept the name, but it was never really the Rolling Stones after Wyman left.
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Turner68
In reality, the Stones did not continue without Wyman. Sure, they kept the name, but it was never really the Rolling Stones after Wyman left.
I'm pleased you returned: you make a worthy adversary.
Could one therefore not just as easily say that the Stones were never 'really the Rolling Stones' following the departure of...
Ian Stewart?
Brian Jones?
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Turner68
...You certainly can argue that when Ian passed during the Dirty Work sessions the Stones were over...
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Turner68
...You certainly can argue that when Ian passed during the Dirty Work sessions the Stones were over...
Interesting. I was actually alluding to his leaving the original line up; the first time the original version of the band had been disturbed.
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...You certainly can argue that when Ian passed during the Dirty Work sessions the Stones were over...
Interesting. I was actually alluding to his leaving the original line up; the first time the original version of the band had been disturbed.
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Turner68
In reality, the Stones did not continue without Wyman. Sure, they kept the name, but it was never really the Rolling Stones after Wyman left.
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Olly
Interesting. I was actually alluding to his leaving the original line up; the first time the original version of the band had been disturbed.
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Interesting. I was actually alluding to his leaving the original line up; the first time the original version of the band had been disturbed.
Ian was still around to influence things when he wanted to until he died. An important distinction from someone leaving a band. ALO told me that the removal of Ian was visual, not a musical thing. He sometimes played piano behind the wings and continued to play on recordings he felt like it.
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HMS
If there had never been a Brian Jones, then there would have been another guy with strange hairdo on stage, maybe he would have played the guitar even better, who knows. It doesn´t matter really.
Brian or no Brian, people would have gone nuts anyway as long as there would have been a Mick Jagger onstage. It was Keith and Mick as a powerful team who turned a R n B-coverband into the greatest Rock n Roll Band in the world. The sidemen (I prefer the term *soldier*) have little if anything to do with the development of the band. If Brian would have stayed healthy and alive, he would have left the Stones anyway. In this band is only room for two generals and Brian would have never been satisfied being only a soldier. Bill and Charlie on the other hand would have never had a career as musicians without Mick and Keith as bandmates. Even today Charlie can hardly believe what miracle happened to him back then. Without Mick and Keith he would now be a jazzplayer in small clubs, struggling very hard to make a living. He is very aware of the fact that he would be nothing without Keith n Mick. That´s why he stands so loyal to the band.
Anyway, we would have all the wonderful music even if the soldiers weren´t Jack and Joe but Jim and Jeff. In the end it´s all Keith, Keith, Keith and Mick, Mick, Mick.