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Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: July 16, 2015 14:12

Have we reached a consensus as to which bonus tracks included in the Exile/SG/SF reissues have no "modern" overdubs (both instrumental or vocals)?

C

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: July 16, 2015 16:03

Title 5 and Good Time Women come to mind.

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: July 16, 2015 16:04

The Sticky Fingers tracks don't sound altered either.

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: July 16, 2015 16:08

Keith's Soul Survivor I believe is unaltered :E

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: kowalski ()
Date: July 16, 2015 17:06

A nice alternate takes album :

Brown Sugar - Alternate with Eric Clapton
Wild Horses - Acoustic Version
Can't You Hear Me Knocking - Alternate Version
Bitch - Extended Version
Dead Flowers - Alternate Version
Loving Cup - Alternate Take
Soul Survivor - Alternate Take
Good Time Women
Title 5
All Down The Line - Alternate Take

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: July 22, 2015 12:15

I would have included Claudine, We had it all, Tallahassee Lassie, but I am not too sure.

Re: loving cup - isn't that a mish mash of two takes?

C

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: July 22, 2015 16:19

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liddas
I would have included Claudine, We had it all, Tallahassee Lassie, but I am not too sure.

Re: loving cup - isn't that a mish mash of two takes?

C

It is, but there is no overdubs.
As for alternate takes and untouched songs, Kowalski has nailed it, although Petrol Gang is also unaltered.

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: July 22, 2015 18:28

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Blueranger
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liddas
I would have included Claudine, We had it all, Tallahassee Lassie, but I am not too sure.

Re: loving cup - isn't that a mish mash of two takes?

C

It is, but there is no overdubs.
As for alternate takes and untouched songs, Kowalski has nailed it, although Petrol Gang is also unaltered.

Modern or old mish mash?

C

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: kowalski ()
Date: July 22, 2015 21:26

A complete official outtakes and alternate takes would approximatively go like this :

Don't Lie To Me
I've Been Loving You Too Long
My Girl
Ride On, Baby
Sittin' On A Fence
If You Let Me
Family
Memo From Turner
I Don't Know Why
Jiving Sister Fanny
Downtown Suzie
I'm Going Down
Brown Sugar - Alternate with Eric Clapton
Wild Horses - Acoustic Version
Can't You Hear Me Knocking - Alternate Version
Bitch - Extended Version
Dead Flowers - Alternate Version
Loving Cup - Alternate Take
Soul Survivor - Alternate Take
Good Time Women
Title 5
All Down The Line - Alternate Take
Cook Cook Blues
So Young (1994 version)
Honest I Do (1995 re-recording)
Hurricane
Under The Radar
Don't Wanna Go Home
So Young - Piano Version

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: July 22, 2015 21:30

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liddas
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liddas
I would have included Claudine, We had it all, Tallahassee Lassie, but I am not too sure.

Re: loving cup - isn't that a mish mash of two takes?

C

It is, but there is no overdubs.
As for alternate takes and untouched songs, Kowalski has nailed it, although Petrol Gang is also unaltered.

Modern or old mish mash?

C

No one knows. While the unedited version of first part of the mash-up has appeared on bootlegs, doesn't mean that the composite version couldn't have been made back then.

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: July 22, 2015 21:36

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kowalski
A complete official outtakes and alternate takes would approximatively go like this :

Don't Lie To Me
I've Been Loving You Too Long
My Girl
Ride On, Baby
Sittin' On A Fence
If You Let Me
Family
Memo From Turner
I Don't Know Why
Jiving Sister Fanny
Downtown Suzie
I'm Going Down
Brown Sugar - Alternate with Eric Clapton
Wild Horses - Acoustic Version
Can't You Hear Me Knocking - Alternate Version
Bitch - Extended Version
Dead Flowers - Alternate Version
Loving Cup - Alternate Take
Soul Survivor - Alternate Take
Good Time Women
Title 5
All Down The Line - Alternate Take
Cook Cook Blues
So Young (1994 version)
Honest I Do (1995 re-recording)
Hurricane
Under The Radar
Don't Wanna Go Home
So Young - Piano Version

So Young features overdubs cirka 1993.
The first IBC demos has been released as well.
I don't get why you have included material from A Bigger Bang sessions, as the two rarities that were released, came out the same year as the album.
Otherwise, there is a point in including 'old' tracks, released later than they were recorded, but under these rules, Through The Lonely Nights (recorded 1972, released 1974) and If I Was A Dancer should appear as well.

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: Thrylan ()
Date: July 22, 2015 21:46

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liddas
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liddas
I would have included Claudine, We had it all, Tallahassee Lassie, but I am not too sure.

Re: loving cup - isn't that a mish mash of two takes?

C

It is, but there is no overdubs.
As for alternate takes and untouched songs, Kowalski has nailed it, although Petrol Gang is also unaltered.




Modern or old mish mash?

C

No one knows. While the unedited version of first part of the mash-up has appeared on bootlegs, doesn't mean that the composite version couldn't have been made back then.


Going only on what my ears tell me, the licks on LC, particularly at the end sound like modern, stiff fingered Keith to me, and detract a bit for me. Also, some of Keith's vocals I'm 99.9% sure are modern. I could be wrong though

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: July 22, 2015 22:13

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Blueranger
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liddas
I would have included Claudine, We had it all, Tallahassee Lassie, but I am not too sure.

Re: loving cup - isn't that a mish mash of two takes?

C

It is, but there is no overdubs.
As for alternate takes and untouched songs, Kowalski has nailed it, although Petrol Gang is also unaltered.




Modern or old mish mash?

C

No one knows. While the unedited version of first part of the mash-up has appeared on bootlegs, doesn't mean that the composite version couldn't have been made back then.


Going only on what my ears tell me, the licks on LC, particularly at the end sound like modern, stiff fingered Keith to me, and detract a bit for me. Also, some of Keith's vocals I'm 99.9% sure are modern. I could be wrong though

No new modern overdubs on Loving Cup, as that has been stated in interviews around 2010.

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: Thrylan ()
Date: July 22, 2015 22:17

Not to be argumentative, but in interviews, didn't Mick and Keith contradict each of some, particularly on the extent of MT's involvement? You know how these guys can be in interviews. Get me Dom Was!!! Lol

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: kowalski ()
Date: July 23, 2015 00:57

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Blueranger
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kowalski
A complete official outtakes and alternate takes would approximatively go like this :

Don't Lie To Me
I've Been Loving You Too Long
My Girl
Ride On, Baby
Sittin' On A Fence
If You Let Me
Family
Memo From Turner
I Don't Know Why
Jiving Sister Fanny
Downtown Suzie
I'm Going Down
Brown Sugar - Alternate with Eric Clapton
Wild Horses - Acoustic Version
Can't You Hear Me Knocking - Alternate Version
Bitch - Extended Version
Dead Flowers - Alternate Version
Loving Cup - Alternate Take
Soul Survivor - Alternate Take
Good Time Women
Title 5
All Down The Line - Alternate Take
Cook Cook Blues
So Young (1994 version)
Honest I Do (1995 re-recording)
Hurricane
Under The Radar
Don't Wanna Go Home
So Young - Piano Version

So Young features overdubs cirka 1993.
The first IBC demos has been released as well.
I don't get why you have included material from A Bigger Bang sessions, as the two rarities that were released, came out the same year as the album.
Otherwise, there is a point in including 'old' tracks, released later than they were recorded, but under these rules, Through The Lonely Nights (recorded 1972, released 1974) and If I Was A Dancer should appear as well.

I agree on all your points. smiling smiley

-IBC demos
Diddley Daddy
Road Runner
Bright Lights Big City
Baby What.s Wrong
I Want To Be Loved

-60's outtakes
Don't Lie To Me
I've Been Loving You Too Long
My Girl
Ride On, Baby
Sittin' On A Fence
If You Let Me
Family
Memo From Turner
I Don't Know Why
Jiving Sister Fanny
Downtown Suzie
I'm Going Down

-Sticky Fingers & Exile sessions
Brown Sugar - Alternate with Eric Clapton
Wild Horses - Acoustic Version
Can't You Hear Me Knocking - Alternate Version
Bitch - Extended Version
Dead Flowers - Alternate Version
Loving Cup - Alternate Take
Soul Survivor - Alternate Take
Good Time Women
Title 5
All Down The Line - Alternate Take

-Miscellaneous outtakes
Through The Lonely Nights
If I Was A Dancer
Cook Cook Blues
Honest I Do (1995 re-recording)
Hurricane
So Young - Piano Version

A more complete compilation could include all outtakes that were released as b-sides through the years...

Re: Unedited bonus tracks
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: July 23, 2015 03:12

'Plundered My Soul' only sounds 'new' the very last 30 seconds, to me, after the last verse is sung, Mick comes on with some humming along, and this humming (and vocals) sound like his older voice/ distinction.

I know Mick Taylor did some new work on it w/ Mick, maybe only last 30 seconds too, this not so clear to me,

but Mick did state when 'Plundered' was found, it was already near complete, and I believe he used the word perfect,

which I would agree with: perfect. Love this song!



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