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Turner68
are you going to change your name to "brokercollegestudent"?

lol

Sure why not, I am taking economics classes lol.

But I have a job and found a deal on stubhub. Plus I am splitting the ticket price with my date. you just have to be crafty sometimes.

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Naturalust
Just look at the video and count out the beats. Charlie starts with the normal 2 and 4 backbeats
and by the second verse he's on the 1's and 3's.

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angee
Onlystones is a "he," no?

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video: [www.youtube.com]

The Complete Concert from

Columbus OH., 30.5.2015

in EXCELLENT AUDIENCE QUALITY!!!

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That video of Bitch sounds nothing like what I heard where I was standing, is it possible that what you're hearing is really distortion, reverb, and the sound bouncing around a giant concrete stadium as opposed to Charlie actually screwing up?

Yes no doubt the sound quality of that video leaves much to be desired but even taking that into account, something else is going on. And the video is really what gives it away, watch Charlie.

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@Naturalust could it be caused by some kind of monitor delay? Such things might happen if the FOH is in an "off-zone", which seemed the case several times due to the vast venue.

No the monitor mix comes from the line signals on stage and is totally separate from the FOH mix. Delays which would cause a whole beat difference would never be used on monitor signals.

Just look at the video and count out the beats. Charlie starts with the normal 2 and 4 backbeats and by the second verse he's on the 1's and 3's. I'm not picking on Charlie here, love the guy, just pointing out a rather obvious disconnect in the music here. It's pretty amazing Keith stayed on track, it's seems Ronnie was more distracted by it. It's possible that's what he went over to director Chuck, to try to understand what was happening.

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angee
Onlystones is a "he," no?

Are you sure? Cloudcat is onto something if you ask me :E

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Though I'd bring this discussion over to where it belongs.

This version of Bitch seems to go off the rails a bit at the start of the second verse. It seems to me one of the reasons it that Charlie gets off by a whole beat and is hitting the normal backbeat 2 and 4 snare drum on the 1 and 3. He doesn't recover till near the very end.

Comments from the musicians here are welcome on this. It's rare we see Charlie losing it for so long and this is what seems to happen when he does. Shows just how important he is to the success of the tunes.





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i'm sure each venue is different but has anybody here been hassled for bringing in (& snapping pics) with a point & shoot style camera? I will be taking my sony H7 to the Milwaukee show.

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Naturalust
Though I'd bring this discussion over to where it belongs.

This version of Bitch seems to go off the rails a bit at the start of the second verse. It seems to me one of the reasons it that Charlie gets off by a whole beat and is hitting the normal backbeat 2 and 4 snare drum on the 1 and 3. He doesn't recover till near the very end.

Comments from the musicians here are welcome on this. It's rare we see Charlie losing it for so long and this is what seems to happen when he does. Shows just how important he is to the success of the tunes.





peace

No, no, no. Nothing wrong with Charlie. That video is being taken with a zoom from about 100 yards away in a football stadium. The delay that it takes for the sound to reach the person filming creates the impression that Charlie is "off beat" but he definitely isn't. I can hear it in the audio (although it's a little tough because the sound on that video is poor), and I am sure that someone will post another clip with better sound so that others can hear it as well.

Charlie's fine.

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Naturalust
Though I'd bring this discussion over to where it belongs.

This version of Bitch seems to go off the rails a bit at the start of the second verse. It seems to me one of the reasons it that Charlie gets off by a whole beat and is hitting the normal backbeat 2 and 4 snare drum on the 1 and 3. He doesn't recover till near the very end.

Comments from the musicians here are welcome on this. It's rare we see Charlie losing it for so long and this is what seems to happen when he does. Shows just how important he is to the success of the tunes.





peace

No, no, no. Nothing wrong with Charlie. That video is being taken with a zoom from about 100 yards away in a football stadium. The delay that it takes for the sound to reach the person filming creates the impression that Charlie is "off beat" but he definitely isn't. I can hear it in the audio (although it's a little tough because the sound on that video is poor), and I am sure that someone will post another clip with better sound so that others can hear it as well.

Charlie's fine.

Then why are his snare beats at totally different places in the beginning and end of the song? Also Micks vocals are synced up with the video and Charlies fills seem to reach the camera at the right time so this argument doesn't really stand up, imo.

Although I do agree Charlie is fine, he just seemed to get a bit mixed up for this tune.

peace

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Though I'd bring this discussion over to where it belongs.

This version of Bitch seems to go off the rails a bit at the start of the second verse. It seems to me one of the reasons it that Charlie gets off by a whole beat and is hitting the normal backbeat 2 and 4 snare drum on the 1 and 3. He doesn't recover till near the very end.

Comments from the musicians here are welcome on this. It's rare we see Charlie losing it for so long and this is what seems to happen when he does. Shows just how important he is to the success of the tunes.





peace

No, no, no. Nothing wrong with Charlie. That video is being taken with a zoom from about 100 yards away in a football stadium. The delay that it takes for the sound to reach the person filming creates the impression that Charlie is "off beat" but he definitely isn't. I can hear it in the audio (although it's a little tough because the sound on that video is poor), and I am sure that someone will post another clip with better sound so that others can hear it as well.

Charlie's fine.

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Naturalust
Though I'd bring this discussion over to where it belongs.

This version of Bitch seems to go off the rails a bit at the start of the second verse. It seems to me one of the reasons it that Charlie gets off by a whole beat and is hitting the normal backbeat 2 and 4 snare drum on the 1 and 3. He doesn't recover till near the very end.

Comments from the musicians here are welcome on this. It's rare we see Charlie losing it for so long and this is what seems to happen when he does. Shows just how important he is to the success of the tunes.





peace

No, no, no. Nothing wrong with Charlie. That video is being taken with a zoom from about 100 yards away in a football stadium. The delay that it takes for the sound to reach the person filming creates the impression that Charlie is "off beat" but he definitely isn't. I can hear it in the audio (although it's a little tough because the sound on that video is poor), and I am sure that someone will post another clip with better sound so that others can hear it as well.

Charlie's fine.

Then why are his snare beats at totally different places in the beginning and end of the song? Also Micks vocals are synced up with the video and Charlies fills seem to reach the camera at the right time so this argument doesn't really stand up, imo.

Although I do agree Charlie is fine, he just seemed to get a bit mixed up for this tune.

peace

agreed naturalist.

dr. bryant, all sound travels at the same speed for our purposes. it's ludicrous to suggest that because the person recording is far away charlie's beats are in a different place in the song than up close.

if we were talking about a discrepancy between what we see and what we hear, that would be fair, because sound travels slower than light. but we're not.

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Naturalust
Though I'd bring this discussion over to where it belongs.

This version of Bitch seems to go off the rails a bit at the start of the second verse. It seems to me one of the reasons it that Charlie gets off by a whole beat and is hitting the normal backbeat 2 and 4 snare drum on the 1 and 3. He doesn't recover till near the very end.

Comments from the musicians here are welcome on this. It's rare we see Charlie losing it for so long and this is what seems to happen when he does. Shows just how important he is to the success of the tunes.





peace

No, no, no. Nothing wrong with Charlie. That video is being taken with a zoom from about 100 yards away in a football stadium. The delay that it takes for the sound to reach the person filming creates the impression that Charlie is "off beat" but he definitely isn't. I can hear it in the audio (although it's a little tough because the sound on that video is poor), and I am sure that someone will post another clip with better sound so that others can hear it as well.

Charlie's fine.

Then why are his snare beats at totally different places in the beginning and end of the song? Also Micks vocals are synced up with the video and Charlies fills seem to reach the camera at the right time so this argument doesn't really stand up, imo.

Although I do agree Charlie is fine, he just seemed to get a bit mixed up for this tune.

peace

agreed naturalist.

dr. bryant, all sound travels at the same speed for our purposes. it's ludicrous to suggest that because the person recording is far away charlie's beats are in a different place in the song than up close.

if we were talking about a discrepancy between what we see and what we hear, that would be fair, because sound travels slower than light. but we're not.

The entire image is delayed by a split second (as a result of the distance from the stage to the person filming). It's just hard to see with other instruments and vocals. Early in the song the video doesn't show Charlie clearly - he's never "in sync" with the audio. If this person has posted other videos, they will all be the same. Charlie will appear to be playing "off beat". It's hard to see with other instrument; handclaps are easy to see.

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Though I'd bring this discussion over to where it belongs.

This version of Bitch seems to go off the rails a bit at the start of the second verse. It seems to me one of the reasons it that Charlie gets off by a whole beat and is hitting the normal backbeat 2 and 4 snare drum on the 1 and 3. He doesn't recover till near the very end.

Comments from the musicians here are welcome on this. It's rare we see Charlie losing it for so long and this is what seems to happen when he does. Shows just how important he is to the success of the tunes.





peace

No, no, no. Nothing wrong with Charlie. That video is being taken with a zoom from about 100 yards away in a football stadium. The delay that it takes for the sound to reach the person filming creates the impression that Charlie is "off beat" but he definitely isn't. I can hear it in the audio (although it's a little tough because the sound on that video is poor), and I am sure that someone will post another clip with better sound so that others can hear it as well.

Charlie's fine.

Then why are his snare beats at totally different places in the beginning and end of the song? Also Micks vocals are synced up with the video and Charlies fills seem to reach the camera at the right time so this argument doesn't really stand up, imo.

Although I do agree Charlie is fine, he just seemed to get a bit mixed up for this tune.

peace

agreed naturalist.

dr. bryant, all sound travels at the same speed for our purposes. it's ludicrous to suggest that because the person recording is far away charlie's beats are in a different place in the song than up close.

if we were talking about a discrepancy between what we see and what we hear, that would be fair, because sound travels slower than light. but we're not.

The entire image is delayed by a split second (as a result of the distance from the stage to the person filming). It's just hard to see with other instruments and vocals. Early in the song the video doesn't show Charlie clearly - he's never "in sync" with the audio. If this person has posted other videos, they will all be the same. Charlie will appear to be playing "off beat". It's hard to see with other instrument; handclaps are easy to see.

it has nothing to do with seeing, and that's why the distance of the camera doesn't matter. this is a discussion about what is heard on the track.

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guy following Mick around with his selfie stick, ridiculous!

[www.youtube.com]

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Though I'd bring this discussion over to where it belongs.

This version of Bitch seems to go off the rails a bit at the start of the second verse. It seems to me one of the reasons it that Charlie gets off by a whole beat and is hitting the normal backbeat 2 and 4 snare drum on the 1 and 3. He doesn't recover till near the very end.

Comments from the musicians here are welcome on this. It's rare we see Charlie losing it for so long and this is what seems to happen when he does. Shows just how important he is to the success of the tunes.





peace

No, no, no. Nothing wrong with Charlie. That video is being taken with a zoom from about 100 yards away in a football stadium. The delay that it takes for the sound to reach the person filming creates the impression that Charlie is "off beat" but he definitely isn't. I can hear it in the audio (although it's a little tough because the sound on that video is poor), and I am sure that someone will post another clip with better sound so that others can hear it as well.

Charlie's fine.

Then why are his snare beats at totally different places in the beginning and end of the song? Also Micks vocals are synced up with the video and Charlies fills seem to reach the camera at the right time so this argument doesn't really stand up, imo.

Although I do agree Charlie is fine, he just seemed to get a bit mixed up for this tune.

peace

agreed naturalist.

dr. bryant, all sound travels at the same speed for our purposes. it's ludicrous to suggest that because the person recording is far away charlie's beats are in a different place in the song than up close.

if we were talking about a discrepancy between what we see and what we hear, that would be fair, because sound travels slower than light. but we're not.

The entire image is delayed by a split second (as a result of the distance from the stage to the person filming). It's just hard to see with other instruments and vocals. Early in the song the video doesn't show Charlie clearly - he's never "in sync" with the audio. If this person has posted other videos, they will all be the same. Charlie will appear to be playing "off beat". It's hard to see with other instrument; handclaps are easy to see.

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Sorry for being off topic - I was just replying to the guy who referred to Charlie playing snare on the upbeats as a mistake, which is obviously not the case. Anyway, since I took the time to find other videos by the same person who took the "Bitch" video, I'll post it below (and as you can see, snare drum and handclaps are off beat). Sorry for the OT discussion.

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video: [www.youtube.com]

Perhaps this ought to clear things up a little

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video: [www.youtube.com]

Perhaps this ought to clear things up a little

yes, what i hear is charlie holding it all together despite the best efforts of keith's solos. there are a couple bars where he seems like he doesn't hit on the back beat but i don't hear him moving to the 1 and 3 at any point.

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there was a guy on stonesdougs website a couple weeks ago saying he "doubted the stones sold more than 10,000 tickets to this show"
"the stones have priced themselves out of the market" and "fans have grown tired of the same ol stones show" were some of the other comments i remember seeing-


60,000 people-a sold out show,great reviews,the fans loved it,the band is having fun and playing great,in other words your typical stones tour.

i still dont get what part of the phrase "the worlds greatest rock and roll band" some people dont understand.

it's like thinking no one will show up at the world cup or the super bowl.