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Nikkei
Doom and Gloom is as classic as they will get in this century. In a couple of years from now it will definitely stand out from their latter-day work.
It is definitely a miles better single than Don't stop, which came about in similar circumstances. One more Shot however feels very rehashed to me,
Mixed Emotions comes to mind. The lyrics are pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel. I imagine a scene where Keith just can't come up
with a song and Mick begs him to give it one more shot. which then kinda stuck in his head. Have to admit it sounded good live though.
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Silver Dagger
Love Doom & Gloom but One More Shot is typical post 83 Stones filler fare.
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DandelionPowderman
OMS definitely worked best live. For some reason, Mick never wanted to sing the D&G chorus properly. It was still good, though.
It was fantastic to hear both of these brand new Stones tracks in London in 2012.
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nankerphlege
These two are great tracks. The first time I heard d&g I thought it sounded like ac/DC meets the Stones. OMS is great. I love the groove the classic keef riff. I agree though D and G didn't work live. The guitars sounded to clean and MJ was "pushing" the vocals instead of singing it. The band seemed to get lost or unfocused on OMS.
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tonyc
I never heard "Doom & Gloom" live. I doubt if I hear it in Atlanta but if I did it would be welcome by me.
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Naturalust
The song has a decent riff and high energy but comes across as fast food burger compared to the filet mignon with bearnaise sause of the Stones best rockers.
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tonyc
I never heard "Doom & Gloom" live. I doubt if I hear it in Atlanta but if I did it would be welcome by me.
Why do you doubt it? Unless they release a new song during May, I'd doubt they wouldn't play Doom & Gloom - I think especially Mick is keen on bringing the newer songs out to feel like the band is moving forward rather than playing the same gig as they were in the '90s or during Licks. My money's on D&G being a staple in the setlist (hopefully with Can't You Hear Me Knocking as the rockers sandwiched between Sister Morphine and Moonlight Mile, but that's just my wishful thinking)
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I never heard "Doom & Gloom" live. I doubt if I hear it in Atlanta but if I did it would be welcome by me.
Why do you doubt it? Unless they release a new song during May, I'd doubt they wouldn't play Doom & Gloom - I think especially Mick is keen on bringing the newer songs out to feel like the band is moving forward rather than playing the same gig as they were in the '90s or during Licks. My money's on D&G being a staple in the setlist (hopefully with Can't You Hear Me Knocking as the rockers sandwiched between Sister Morphine and Moonlight Mile, but that's just my wishful thinking)
Well, it was not played very often during the Australia tour. But, I hope you are right.
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Naturalust
Probably get beat up for breaking ranks here but...I like D&G way better than OMS like most people here, but somehow still believe something is missing from both tunes. Not sure I can put my finger on it but it's like they are without depth of emotion or movement and variety within the song...something. It likely has something to do with how the tunes are arranged and produced, like you've got everything they have in the first 50 seconds and they just don't go anywhere else, tone and dynamics just kinda flat throughout.
For instance, D&G could have benefited from a killer breakdown with some rippin', killer toned, slide guitar instead of the cliche' licks and fills Ronnie provides. The song has a decent riff and high energy but comes across as fast food burger compared to the filet mignon with bearnaise sause of the Stones best rockers. It's gonna fill you up and even tastes good for the first couple bites...
I don't think either song holds up the the Stones best work although D&G is definitely a step in the right direction.
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I never heard "Doom & Gloom" live. I doubt if I hear it in Atlanta but if I did it would be welcome by me.
Why do you doubt it? Unless they release a new song during May, I'd doubt they wouldn't play Doom & Gloom - I think especially Mick is keen on bringing the newer songs out to feel like the band is moving forward rather than playing the same gig as they were in the '90s or during Licks. My money's on D&G being a staple in the setlist (hopefully with Can't You Hear Me Knocking as the rockers sandwiched between Sister Morphine and Moonlight Mile, but that's just my wishful thinking)
Well, it was not played very often during the Australia tour. But, I hope you are right.
To be completely honest with you, I'd forgotten it had been knocked off the list for so many Australian shows! In my head, I'd just assumed the setlists had the same standard songs as Europe in Australia. My point is significantly weakened, you're right. I'd still be surprised if they didn't play it in the US, though - I feel like the US is more of a Doom & Gloom market, especially the stadiums they'll be playing..!
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Naturalust
Probably get beat up for breaking ranks here but...I like D&G way better than OMS like most people here, but somehow still believe something is missing from both tunes. Not sure I can put my finger on it but it's like they are without depth of emotion or movement and variety within the song...something. It likely has something to do with how the tunes are arranged and produced, like you've got everything they have in the first 50 seconds and they just don't go anywhere else, tone and dynamics just kinda flat throughout.
For instance, D&G could have benefited from a killer breakdown with some rippin', killer toned, slide guitar instead of the cliche' licks and fills Ronnie provides. The song has a decent riff and high energy but comes across as fast food burger compared to the filet mignon with bearnaise sause of the Stones best rockers. It's gonna fill you up and even tastes good for the first couple bites...
I don't think either song holds up the the Stones best work although D&G is definitely a step in the right direction.
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I know what you're talking about. Doom & Gloom is a fun song but let's not get carried away. It's the Stones by numbers. It's like Highwire and Rough Justice in that it's a high octane rocker and it runs on down the track pretty well like a revved up hare. But we're not getting anything as emotionally uplifting as when those beautiful gospel angels come in at the end of Tumbling Dice singing 'you got to roll me' and take the song into rock'n'roll heaven.
There's Stones singles and then there's great singles by The Rolling Stones. I haven't heard that kind of transcendental lift, as in Tumbling Dice, in a Stones' single for a very long time.
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Probably get beat up for breaking ranks here but...I like D&G way better than OMS like most people here, but somehow still believe something is missing from both tunes. Not sure I can put my finger on it but it's like they are without depth of emotion or movement and variety within the song...something. It likely has something to do with how the tunes are arranged and produced, like you've got everything they have in the first 50 seconds and they just don't go anywhere else, tone and dynamics just kinda flat throughout.
For instance, D&G could have benefited from a killer breakdown with some rippin', killer toned, slide guitar instead of the cliche' licks and fills Ronnie provides. The song has a decent riff and high energy but comes across as fast food burger compared to the filet mignon with bearnaise sause of the Stones best rockers. It's gonna fill you up and even tastes good for the first couple bites...
I don't think either song holds up the the Stones best work although D&G is definitely a step in the right direction.
peace
I know what you're talking about. Doom & Gloom is a fun song but let's not get carried away. It's the Stones by numbers. It's like Highwire and Rough Justice in that it's a high octane rocker and it runs on down the track pretty well like a revved up hare. But we're not getting anything as emotionally uplifting as when those beautiful gospel angels come in at the end of Tumbling Dice singing 'you got to roll me' and take the song into rock'n'roll heaven.
There's Stones singles and then there's great singles by The Rolling Stones. I haven't heard that kind of transcendental lift, as in Tumbling Dice, in a Stones' single for a very long time.
Yep. Not just Tumbling Dice but so many others from that era, not just the hits. Heartbreaker, Gimme Shelter, Let it Loose, Loving Cup, etc, etc. They all had elements that were unique and uplifting and musically inspiring. Stones by numbers is a good description, it's like they are trying to follow a formula when the whole lack of such an approach is what made them great and produced their best music.
Should we expect these aging men to have musical vision equivalent to their most creative period and output? Probably not. But if they are going to write with a formula in mind I sure wish they would quit trying to rewrite Start Me Up and go back a few years to Tumbling Dice, et al.
My best vision for new Stones music gets them completely away from the D&G uptempo riff rock and more into the basically folk and country blues (and rock) they basically nailed with Beggar's Banquet through Exile. That's the "roots" I love so much although it's a bit higher up the tree trunk than what might be considered true Stones roots...Chuck Berry and that kind of stuff.
They have plenty of uptempo tunes in their catalog to keep the stadium crowds awake and allow Mick to prance and dance around the huge stage...I'm ready for another record which just has great soulful songs, something I can listen to for years to come, something with deep emotional content, great dynamics and interesting and different instrumentation, something that shows the depth, complexity and experience of 50+ years of songwriting.
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Silver Dagger
I know what you're talking about. Doom & Gloom is a fun song but let's not get carried away. It's the Stones by numbers. It's like Highwire and Rough Justice in that it's a high octane rocker and it runs on down the track pretty well like a revved up hare. But we're not getting anything as emotionally uplifting as when those beautiful gospel angels come in at the end of Tumbling Dice singing 'you got to roll me' and take the song into rock'n'roll heaven.
There's Stones singles and then there's great singles by The Rolling Stones. I haven't heard that kind of transcendental lift, as in Tumbling Dice, in a Stones' single for a very long time.